[Brother Lazarus]

Re: The King James Version of the Bible

I posted this in the Islamist in the Navy thread in response to Clyde the Papist's nonsense. The post is probably more useful here, so I'm cross posting. If any of the Pastors feel I am in error, please correct.

Thanks.


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Originally Posted by Clyde The Papist
It's a good thing you follow that once saved always saved doctrine. It seems you can do or say just about anything after you've been saved. Are you still worshipping the King...King James and all of that here ye here ye mumbo jumbo? Mel Gibson got the language right in The Passion Jesus was speaking Aramaic, the Romans were speaking Greek....not the queen's English. The King James Version of the Bible is the Great Protestant Tradition. Jesus as a man was a Jew...his Old Testament was The Septuagint which is the Catholic Old Testament...you know the that extra books in it. It's funny how those books were good enough for Jesus but not for King James.

Well brainy boy, you got it wrong. The Septuagint is indeed a translation from Hebrew to Greek by Greeks in the 300's BC. However, the Pentateuch (or Torah) is a translation from Hebrew to Greek by Hebrews in the 200's BC. Note that it is a later translation, and by Hebrews who should know their own works better than some Greeks. Which do you think would be more accurate?

But wait there is more!

The Septuagint includes books that were not included in the Pentateuch! How can that be? Why would those Greek translators ADD things that were not there?

The KJV1611 is translated from the Pentateuch so it of course does not contain the books ADDED by the Greeks to the Septuagint that were never in the actual Hebrew Pentateuch. Those books you say were good enough for Jesus but not for King James were not even IN the correct translation. Thus, Catholicism is proven WRONG again!

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

[Brother Lazarus]

Re: Salvation

What about it?

What about the forum rules?

Please read the Pastor's Rules and Announcements. Pay particular attention to the "noobs" thread. Post an introduction on the introduction forum. Be polite. Many before you have started posting without first reading the rules. Some have been forgiven.

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: The King James Version of the Bible

A papist? On these Godly boards? Has this vile demon no shame! The facile stupidity of his beliefs indicate that he is completely under the thrall of the anti-Christ the vicar of Rome! His theology is as thin and weak as wet toilet tissue!

Take your heresy elsewhere Rome-boy.

[John Bois Ward]

Re: The King James Version of the Bible

Many theologians, both Protestant and Catholic, believe that you cannot fully understand the book of John without reading the book of Wisdom.

And what God and Country loving Protestant believes one can not understand The Teachings of Jesus without understanding The Book of Wisdom, which was written in Greek by a Plato reading joo living in Alexandria? What is with this papist fascination for Greek love?

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

Re: The King James Version of the Bible

More proof that Cletus can hold the control buton down while hitting the 'C' key snipped

You might as well be cutting and pasting pages from the Bass Pro Shops website for all the sense it makes. As to a couple of your inane questions:

The Baptist curch is the ORIGINAL Church of Jesus Christ. It is you Catlickers that got it wrong when you started worshipping Mary and "Il Papa" in 381. Your church went astray so long ago you don't even realize how wrong you are. You're all just a bunch of art-collecting kid-touchers!

Saying we worship John the Baptist is like saying you Catholics worship Cathy, when we all know you worship Mary. Our church believes in God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, not some bunch of old men wearing dresses and silly hats!

Many theologians, both Protestant and Catholic, believe that you cannot fully understand the book of John without reading the book of Wisdom.

Many "theologians" think all kinds of crap, like you should go to church on Saturday, that Jesus came to America to hang out with a bunch of white Indians, that you shouldn't eat pork and that a cow has to be killed just right or the juicy steaks he contains will be unfit to eat!

Theologians? Pah! We need ONE theologian, and His name is God and His Instruction Manual is the KJV 1611! God said it, we believe it, case closed! Praise!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: The King James Version of the Bible

We follow the KJV1611 Bible because it is the only version transmitted directly from God. The fact that you follow a largely made-up version of the Bible means that you are as hellbound as any muslim or joo.

Go spew your hatred elsewhere, mary-worshiper.

[John Bois Ward]

Re: The King James Version of the Bible

Cletus,what is wrong with you? Is it the in-breeding or the moonshine that prevents you from answering questions?

[Clyde The Papist]

Re: The King James Version of the Bible

Many theologians, both Protestant and Catholic, believe that you cannot fully understand the book of John without reading the book of Wisdom.

[Clyde The Papist]

Re: The King James Version of the Bible

[edit] Christian use

The early Christian Church used the Greek texts since Greek was a lingua franca of the Roman Empire at the time, and the language of the Church. In addition the Church Fathers tended to accept Philo's account of the LXX's miraculous and inspired origin. Furthermore, the New Testament writers, when citing the Jewish scriptures or when quoting Jesus doing so, freely used the Greek translation, implying that the Apostles and their followers considered it reliable.[20]
When Jerome undertook the revision of the Old Latin translations of the Septuagint, he checked the Septuagint against the Hebrew texts that were then available. He came to believe that the Hebrew text better testified to Christ than the Septuagint.[21] He broke with church tradition and translated most of the Old Testament of his Vulgate from Hebrew rather than Greek. His choice was severely criticized by Augustine, his contemporary; a flood of still less moderate criticism came from those who regarded Jerome as a forger. But with the passage of time, acceptance of Jerome's version gradually increased until it displaced the Old Latin translations of the Septuagint.[5]
The Hebrew text diverges in some passages that Christians hold to prophesy Christ[22] and the Eastern Orthodox Church still prefers to use the LXX as the basis for translating the Old Testament into other languages. The Eastern Orthodox also use LXX untranslated where Greek is the liturgical language, e.g. in the Orthodox Church of Constantinople, the Church of Greece and the Cypriot Orthodox Church. Many modern critical translations of the Old Testament, while using the Masoretic text as their basis, consult the Septuagint as well as other versions in an attempt to reconstruct the meaning of the Hebrew text whenever the latter is unclear, undeniably corrupt, or ambiguous.[5]

[John Bois Ward]

Re: The King James Version of the Bible

The King James Version of the bible was written by Cult Light. The Vulgate was the first bible translated into Latin by St. Jerome it is truly the word of God, just as the Septuagint or the Old Testament in the Catholic bible is truly the word of God. It was good enough for Jesus, my Lord and Savior, why isn't it good enough for the King?

Also, are you saying the Septuagint, which was written in Greek, was good enough for Jesus? We won’t stand for you calling Jesus a Greek-speaking boy lover. That’s not accepted here. So Cletus, I suggest you get in your 4x4 pickup and drive to the open arms of your priest and leave us in peace.

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

Re: Salvation

The King James Version of the bible was written by Cult Light. The Vulgate was the first bible translated into Latin by St. Jerome it is truly the word of God, just as the Septuagint or the Old Testament in the Catholic bible is truly the word of God. It was good enough for Jesus, my Lord and Savior, why isn't it good enough for the King?

So you've read the original Greek then? Otherwise, how would you know the translations are accurate? I don't need some inbred country bumpkin Catholic telling me I'm wrong about being Saved! Shouldn't you be in line for Opry tickets?

What about it?

What about what Cletus?

[John Bois Ward]

Re: The King James Version of the Bible

The King James Version of the bible was written by Cult Light. The Vulgate was the first bible translated into Latin by St. Jerome it is truly the word of God, just as the Septuagint or the Old Testament in the Catholic bible is truly the word of God. It was good enough for Jesus, my Lord and Savior, why isn't it good enough for the King?

And the Masoretic Text was the basis for the translation of the Old Testament in the King James Bible. I didn't ask for a history of the papist book. I asked about the papist stance on following The Whole Bible, and not just "the Sermon on the Mount."

[Larry Lee]

Re: The King James Version of the Bible

The paucity of texts available to Jerome make his effort a shallow reflection of God's Word, which only a Catlicker would dream of denying.

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

Re: Salvation

Salvation does not come simply through one act of accepting Christ as our Savior.

Yes it does.

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.Mark16:16

Salvation depends on the condition of you soul at the moment of death.

That sounds awfully Catholic to me. "Condition of your soul" = Have you confessed lately?

We must make lifelong effort to follow Jesus faithfully by keeping His commandments and adhering to the blueprint He laid down in the Sermon on the Mount.

We must follow EVERY WORD of the KJV 1611, both Old and New Testament. The Sermon on the Mount was delivered by Jesus, who is both the Son and the Father as well as the Holy Spirit. They are the Three who are One. The words of Leviticus are just as important as the Gospels!

Paul did not think salvation was assured by his born-again experience on the road to Damascus. He told the Phillippians "work with anxious concern to achieve salvation" (Phillippians 2:12). Other translations say " Work out your salvation with fear and trembling."

Blah blah blah! Look, I can quote scripture too! Here's a little something from 2nd Timothy. 1:9 to be precise.

Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

[Clyde The Papist]

Re: Salvation

What about it?