[Oompa-loompa]

Re: Atheists aren't out to get you

Atheists are some of the biggest fundies I've ever met. They just can't accept that some people are Christian. Whats worse is when they will only talk to people who they can start a debate with. Whats up with them, really?

You know how the things are? You Christians can't understand that if somebody is Atheist, then he doesn't worship anything. Atheists are those who don't believe in anything "supernatural". We (Atheists) are not worshipping satan. Some Atheists don't even believe in science! No afterlife, no hell, no heaven and no Jesus. Usually you guys think that all Atheists believe in Darwinism, but that is not correct.

[Ex-Pagan]

Re: Atheists aren't out to get you

Atheists are some of the biggest fundies I've ever met. They just can't accept that some people are Christian. Whats worse is when they will only talk to people who they can start a debate with. Whats up with them, really????

[GOD=life]

Re: Atheists aren't out to get you

I heard a great quote today
"So what if I'm going to Hell, at least all my friends are going with me"

Your friends can't turn the temperature of Hell down. You'll still burn and suffer horrible pains.

[shrimp]

Re: Atheists aren't out to get you

I heard a great quote today
"So what if I'm going to Hell, at least all my friends are going with me"

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Atheists aren't out to get you

blar blar blar

I think this summarizes everything you have said so far very well.

[GOD=life]

Re: Atheists aren't out to get you

So let's see how an atheist reponds to Brother Hand's well-reasoned reponse...

blar blar blar blar blar..... wow your mouthy, couldn't you have just said "god gives us freedom and your wrong?"

Sarcasm and arrogance. A personal attack is a fallacy, friend.

I highly doubt you know your religion is 100% based on fact and other religions aren't.

Fallacy: argument from incredulity.

Please get your facts right.

Which facts might those be? You certainly aren't bringing anything to the table. Fallacies aren't facts!

Your belief is a small part in our giant world, how does it feel to have the "right way of thinking" only being broadcast to a minority.

Fallacy: ad populum. By your logic, Einstein should have just shut up about his theory of relativity. Good thing that intelligent people don't listen to you.

That nearly the world population do not know of your religion?

False: Christianity is well-known in the world, particularly in America and in America, Christianity is the dominant religion. Also, America is the most powerful country in the world. It's because it's a Christian nation.

And please stop quoting the bible as a way to prove i'm wrong. It just proves i'm right.

False. Even if we agreed the Bible cannot be used as a factual reference, then you would still not be automatically proven right. The statements would merely be inconclusive, but not therefore false.

Put in simpler terms: if I argue that 1+1=2 because of the Bible, will you refuse to acknowledge that 1+1=2?

Because it shows all your information comes from one source never adapting to our new ways of thinking

Science holds that the entire universe came from a single source (the Big Bang). Are you now going to argue that Big Bang theory is incorrect?

But really: what's your source then? Oh wait, your single source is your own opinion.

The Bible has been verified with historical records, witness accounts and scientific experiments. It is the only historical reference that has survived each and every test put against it.

In simpler terms: we follow the KJV 1611 Bible because all the evidence out there shows that it's true.

[The Hand]

Re: Atheists aren't out to get you

Bah, I was hoping to inspire some kind of original thought in that brain of yours, not for you to just dismiss everything in one idle sweep. Same old same old. Look to yourself: you are your own worst enemy.

You come here flying the flag of Atheism as though it's something new to us, that you can teach us something about it that we do not already know. Well then: Do so. Make your case.

You know where I stand, you know where the True Christians on this forum stand. Years of good work have been put into this forum, and you are lucky to be here as a guest. You should be thankful.

So, make your case. Tell us something we don't already know. But first, read the threads of others just like you. Better threads than this, of unsaved trash of moderately higher caliber than you who tried and failed to put a valid case across.

Don't fire blanks at us Christians. You waste your own time and ours.

[Brother_hippo]

Re: Atheists aren't out to get you

You challenge me? You think you are worthy, or better than me? You think I am punished, afraid, in denial, ignorant, bigoted, unhappy, unloved? You claim to know anything about me? I say you are these things. But I do not blame you. It is easier to put your faith in facts instead of putting your faith in GOD.

What do you think religion is? What do you think GOD is? What is GOD and Godliness? I am convinced most non-believers think that GOD is just a bearded man in the sky, playing a game with us as chess pieces. Such is man's vanity, to be unable to see beyond himself, to wish to constrain knowledge for easier living - to decide that GOD is a particular thing and put Him in a particular box. As soon as you do this with anything, knowledge stops. It crystallizes, perhaps not into the shape it could be or should be. Knowledge is something to be basked in, to let shine upon your face - not to keep and catalog. Faith is knowledge with freedom, science is knowledge in a cage. Let it fly free, to be what it would be.

What is time? Time is just a man made measure to gauge the decay of our own flesh, so that we might make the most of our brief existence here upon Earth. Time is not real, it's just a word, just numbers and turning wheels. The sun rises and sets oblivious to the watch's hands. The seasons roll on by and come again. The world turns. These things came long before the face of a clock. These things came before time was invented by man. Time is just an idea - a construct, a concept. The numbers one to twelve engraved on a dial, divided into halves and quarters, so that our humble selves can live each day without losing our minds in eternities and forevers.

Could not, then, GOD exist? Would it be possible to believe in GOD, if you could fathom a timeless world and a timeless place - a timeless Heaven above and beyond the material world? Where all things begin and end, where time stops and starts, becomes meaningless. Instead of time, can you imagine infinity? Eternity? Can we really imagine something so endless and beginningless? All scientists will argue the possibility of infinity is a certainty - yet this in itself discredits some of their work about the nature of the universe. They are chasing shadows of what was, and what is, and what will be again. I call this folly, but I am happy for them to continue, if it means they will eventually, without a doubt in their heart, meet their maker. When they have traveled to the beginning of the universe, to the source of all things, and they discover GOD, will He turn His face away from them, and cast them away, or will He take kindly to their selfish thirsts, desires, and intrusion upon His realm?

You say I am ignorant? That my mind is closed? I say: No. I am not ignorant. I am just not afraid to believe in something greater than myself. I read The Bible, the words of the Prophets, the words of CHRIST, the words of GOD, and these things speak to me and teach me about the world around me in profound ways. It fills me up with knowledge. I am overflowing with knowledge. I have so much knowledge that I could never appreciate it enough in my lifetime. I am not concerned with science, and physics, and maths. Those things are just the beginning of knowledge, the stuff we can take for granted. I would wager that I know more about those things than you, and you are their champion, not I. Nay, I am more concerned with my nature, and my soul, and my journey, and what will become of my spirit when mortal flesh expires, when time is gone, when the world no longer turns, when the sun no longer shines, when the universe is beyond my sight. These answers I find in The Bible, and in GOD. Would I not be more ignorant to ignore GOD? Do you think my life is darker with GOD? My life is no less fulfilled, and joyous, and glorious under GOD than yours is. We share the exact same world.

Christianity is the only religion in the world that is founded on historical events and is supported by objective verifiable evidences. It is prophetic: foreseen, not just written afterthoughts. Although other religions claim to have historical validation, upon investigation, one discovers that they do not. The wise man searching for spiritual truth will do well to take seriously the claims of our scripture. I'll leave you with some:

Romans 1:17-25
[of the gospel of Christ]
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever.

Amen.

blar blar blar blar blar..... wow your mouthy, couldn't you have just said "god gives us freedom and your wrong?"

I highly doubt you know your religion is 100% based on fact and other religions aren't. Please get your facts right.

Your belief is a small part in our giant world, how does it feel to have the "right way of thinking" only being broadcast to a minority. That nearly the world population do not know of your religion? And please stop quoting the bible as a way to prove i'm wrong. It just proves i'm right. Because it shows all your information comes from one source never adapting to our new ways of thinking

[The Hand]

Re: Atheists aren't out to get you

The hand: I'm talking to you and all the other insane people on this site, just saying i'm chasing my tail is not an argument either 1: You know i'm right so thats the only thing you could say or 2: you stated that then in your stupidity you forgot to explain why i'm chasing my own tail

You challenge me? You think you are worthy, or better than me? You think I am punished, afraid, in denial, ignorant, bigoted, unhappy, unloved? You claim to know anything about me? I say you are these things. But I do not blame you. It is easier to put your faith in facts instead of putting your faith in GOD.

What do you think religion is? What do you think GOD is? What is GOD and Godliness? I am convinced most non-believers think that GOD is just a bearded man in the sky, playing a game with us as chess pieces. Such is man's vanity, to be unable to see beyond himself, to wish to constrain knowledge for easier living - to decide that GOD is a particular thing and put Him in a particular box. As soon as you do this with anything, knowledge stops. It crystallizes, perhaps not into the shape it could be or should be. Knowledge is something to be basked in, to let shine upon your face - not to keep and catalog. Faith is knowledge with freedom, science is knowledge in a cage. Let it fly free, to be what it would be.

What is time? Time is just a man made measure to gauge the decay of our own flesh, so that we might make the most of our brief existence here upon Earth. Time is not real, it's just a word, just numbers and turning wheels. The sun rises and sets oblivious to the watch's hands. The seasons roll on by and come again. The world turns. These things came long before the face of a clock. These things came before time was invented by man. Time is just an idea - a construct, a concept. The numbers one to twelve engraved on a dial, divided into halves and quarters, so that our humble selves can live each day without losing our minds in eternities and forevers.

Could not, then, GOD exist? Would it be possible to believe in GOD, if you could fathom a timeless world and a timeless place - a timeless Heaven above and beyond the material world? Where all things begin and end, where time stops and starts, becomes meaningless. Instead of time, can you imagine infinity? Eternity? Can we really imagine something so endless and beginningless? All scientists will argue the possibility of infinity is a certainty - yet this in itself discredits some of their work about the nature of the universe. They are chasing shadows of what was, and what is, and what will be again. I call this folly, but I am happy for them to continue, if it means they will eventually, without a doubt in their heart, meet their maker. When they have traveled to the beginning of the universe, to the source of all things, and they discover GOD, will He turn His face away from them, and cast them away, or will He take kindly to their selfish thirsts, desires, and intrusion upon His realm?

You say I am ignorant? That my mind is closed? I say: No. I am not ignorant. I am just not afraid to believe in something greater than myself. I read The Bible, the words of the Prophets, the words of CHRIST, the words of GOD, and these things speak to me and teach me about the world around me in profound ways. It fills me up with knowledge. I am overflowing with knowledge. I have so much knowledge that I could never appreciate it enough in my lifetime. I am not concerned with science, and physics, and maths. Those things are just the beginning of knowledge, the stuff we can take for granted. I would wager that I know more about those things than you, and you are their champion, not I. Nay, I am more concerned with my nature, and my soul, and my journey, and what will become of my spirit when mortal flesh expires, when time is gone, when the world no longer turns, when the sun no longer shines, when the universe is beyond my sight. These answers I find in The Bible, and in GOD. Would I not be more ignorant to ignore GOD? Do you think my life is darker with GOD? My life is no less fulfilled, and joyous, and glorious under GOD than yours is. We share the exact same world.

Christianity is the only religion in the world that is founded on historical events and is supported by objective verifiable evidences. It is prophetic: foreseen, not just written afterthoughts. Although other religions claim to have historical validation, upon investigation, one discovers that they do not. The wise man searching for spiritual truth will do well to take seriously the claims of our scripture. I'll leave you with some:

Romans 1:17-25
[of the gospel of Christ]
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever.

Amen.

[GOD=life]

Re: Atheists aren't out to get you

Did you just refer to me as an "it"

Fallacy: changing the subject.

by quoting me and then showing the statistics of post is telling me...

It shows that lots of atheists come here and about 10-20% actually adjust their point of view once they find out that REAL Christians are intelligent and rational --- unlike the many false Christians they encounter.

Some of the True Christians™ you find here actually came in as a combative atheist. Seriously. I myself cannot even count the number of PMs, IMs, emails, SMSs, postcards and so on expressing deep gratitude for bringing people closer to the Lord.

There are people who would have gone to Hell if it wasn't for us. Every soul counts, including yours.

But the 80-90% of atheists who don't immediately change their ways aren't lost. We have planted the seed of doubt in their minds. One day, that seed may grow in them and they will see their folly.

[Brother_hippo]

Re: Atheists aren't out to get you

It doesn't understand. So sad.

Do you have to wear a helmet Brother Hippo?

Did you just refer to me as an "it"..... your really messed up

by quoting me and then showing the statistics of post is telling me your saying every single post was to stir up crap on Atheist?...... What a nice cult you.

Sister Kitty please not use poor insults like I have to wear a helmet just makes you seem a bit thick

[GOD=life]

Re: Atheists aren't out to get you

... and all the other insane people on this site, .... your stupidity .... Cranky Old Insane Man: ...

What do you mean with "not being out to get you" exactly? It seems to me that you would love it if we as True Christians™ would just disappear. You call us insane, racist and hurtful. You're very intolerant of us, my friend.

(and trust me thats a big IF)

I base my facts on evidence, not on the degree of conviction with which a statement is made by strangers on the internet.

As a True Christian™, I evaluate all the available evidence, read all the points pro and con and extract facts from that evidence.

Atheists don't care much about evidence or facts. They believe only in imaginary stories and theories. That's why we don't take them seriously.

[Sister Kitty]

Re: Atheists aren't out to get you

Not quite sure what the point of this was.... thank you for showing me some pointless statistics heres a dancing elephant for your troubles

It doesn't understand. So sad.

Do you have to wear a helmet Brother Hippo?

[Brother_hippo]

Re: Atheists aren't out to get you

Hard to say. Let me check...



Hmmm. Not bad, it seems.

Not quite sure what the point of this was.... thank you for showing me some pointless statistics heres a dancing elephant for your troubles

[Brother Enoch]

Re: Atheists aren't out to get you

Seems by calling us names your trying to stir up some crap, hows that working out for you?

Hard to say. Let me check...

Threads: 33,122, Posts: 463,931, Members: 17,997, Active Members: 1,527

Hmmm. Not bad, it seems.