[Levi Jones]

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You stand there talking as if you are better than the sinner. Where is the humility? To act as if you are better than anyone is nothing more than a stumbling block. It is bad enough that the lost are blind to God's word, but through hate you misrepresent the purpose of Jesus's sacrifice, which was to INVITE sinners to accept him. Not shun them.

Friend, you have some odd beliefs about what the Bible actually says.

Matthew 10:14-15 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

2 John 1:10-11 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

If Jesus had taken your attitude toward sinners there would have been no sacrifice.

God is going to save those whom He is going to save. It's not up to me.


Romans 9:15-18 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

[BelieverInGod]

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Not getting the answers you want is not the same as not getting answers.

People on here have answered your questions, you are just being blind and bullheaded about it because it's not the "OMG YOUR RIGHT" that you want.

You are taking Bible quotes out of context, would you like it if we started quote-mining what you have to say and making it look like you're saying something else?

[gurgle]

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Oh goody! We have ourselves a biblical scholar who goes around quoting Ghandi in our midst.



Bzzztt. The sacrifice of animals was already abolished in

Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.



I do love my enemies enough to try to save them. As Paul says,

2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

It's too bad you sit on the sidelines and tolerate their sins.




Keep reading in John to the very next verses.

John 3:18-20 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.




Nice cherrypicking. That's prior to Salvation. Paul goes on to say in Romans 3 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Read this as well.

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.



Among His own people. In the very next chapter Jesus says.

Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:


He's clearly saying he didn't come for people like the Samaritan. He was only there for his own.



I see reading comprehension is not your strong suit. He is addressing the woman by saying that again.. He is not there for her.



No, she is begging Jesus to give her a crumb of His miracles despite the fact He already told her no.

Do the mental gymnastics you have to do to come up with this claptrap hurt your brain or are you used to it?



I am unaware of the Book of Matther. If you meant Matthew 4, it only goes up to verse 25. Is it fun to make up scriptures?



Here's who the brother is.

Matthew 12:47-50 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.



Again, I do love my enemies enough to attempt to save them. Is it loving to sit and watch a building burn or is it more loving to warn the person that the flames are going to engulf them?

What, you think we're too mean?

Hebrews 12:5-8 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

Thank you for finally directly addressing my questions. It's sad that I had to mispell and misquote in order to get a straight answer after labeling it correctly twice. But still I appreciate it nonetheless.

Oh and why change my SN? How mature is that? You claim that I am the mocker and false sayer yet I have not quoted one thing that did not come directly from the scripture itself. And approached it with an attitude for a better understanding. All you have done is teach with mockery and self-righteousness.

Yes it is loving to warn someone of the flames that will engulf them but is it not more loving to show and tell them how prevent the flame from even starting. Not stand there and mock them because of the impending flame.....

You stand there talking as if you are better than the sinner. Where is the humility? To act as if you are better than anyone is nothing more than a stumbling block. It is bad enough that the lost are blind to God's word, but through hate you misrepresent the purpose of Jesus's sacrifice, which was to INVITE sinners to accept him. Not shun them.

If Jesus had taken your attitude toward sinners there would have been no sacrifice. Can you deny that? Actually take a look over what I said from the begginning. I've had yet to have all my questions from the scripture answered.

[its_faith]

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These athiests must have lots of spare time to come up with more ways to mock God because we all know idle hands are the devils workshop.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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It's not the ""short of the glory of God" part that implies we are sinners. It's the "all have sinned" part. Just like if you murder you are a murderer, if you lie you are a lier, etc. You are right the meaning is pretty plain. Are you trying to imply that you have never sinned?

You're just plain ornery! it is the "that implies we are sinners." We were sinners, but now we are Saved™ and thus no longer sinners - whom God hates!

How else do you expect to bring people closer to Jesus?

I suppose it would be too much to ask that (a) you read a Bible first and (b) you rid yourself of these "fluffy-bunny" ideas that crept into the World after the Downgrade Controversy?

[BelieverInGod]

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It's not the ""short of the glory of God" part that implies we are sinners. It's the "all have sinned" part. Just like if you murder you are a murderer, if you lie you are a lier, etc. You are right the meaning is pretty plain. Are you trying to imply that you have never sinned?

Sheesh, if God can forgive me and wipe the slate clean, why can't you? All have sinned at some point in their lives, then us True Christians(TM) get baptized and become part of the body of Christ. Or are you saying that Jesus was a sinner as well?

1st John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Romans 6:6-8 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

If you are convinced that you are still a sinner, then you aren't saved. It's as simple as that.

Oh and I love these infractions claiming that I am flaming when I have done nothing but simply ask legitimate questions both a believer and unbeliever would ask. How else do you expect to bring people closer to Jesus?

Well maybe you should learn from the infractions? There are rules on this board.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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How else do you expect to bring people closer to Jesus?

Read THIS.


How Do People Get Saved if They Are Not Allowed to Attend Church?

It never ceases to amaze us the number of so-called "Christians" ask us this question. If they would only blow the dust off of their Bibles and put their noses into the 16th Chapter of Mark, they would find that Jesus commands us to evangelize the world! He didn't say, "find a comfortable pew each Sunday morning and cross your fingers in hopes that some unsaved piece of human refuse will walk through the doors of your church." No, he said, ""Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel." That word, "go" there is a verb. And for those of you illiterate, misguided Christians who allow unsaved people through the doors of your church each Sunday morning, a verb is an "action word," and "go" means "GO!" as in "leave," or "SCRAM!" It doesn't mean, sit on your hiney! The only place for evangelism is outside the confines of the Lord's four-walled holy dwelling place. God's home is a place for True Christians™ to fellowship. Allowing an unsaved person into church is like Rush Limbaugh inviting Hillary Clinton to a meeting of Republicans on how to defeat the Democrats in 2012. It's something you JUST DON'T DO! PERIOD!

The Holy Word of God is cram full of scripture that warns us to stay clear of unsaved scum like you!

[Levi Jones]

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It's not the ""short of the glory of God" part that implies we are sinners. It's the "all have sinned" part. Just like if you murder you are a murderer, if you lie you are a lier, etc. You are right the meaning is pretty plain. Are you trying to imply that you have never sinned?

Oh and I love these infractions claiming that I am flaming when I have done nothing but simply ask legitimate questions both a believer and unbeliever would ask. How else do you expect to bring people closer to Jesus?

I already addressed that point, God mocker.
Are you going to continue to annoyingly ask the same questions over and over again until you get the answer you are looking for?

[gurgle]

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Oh, yes, that's right! Let's wallow in guilt!

Have you some hot-line to God, denied to the rest of us?

You translate God's Word? You presume to say that the simple meaning He promulgated is errant?

Your type of sanctimonious heathen, who pretends to be Christian, sickens me to my bowels!

Listen up and re-read that verse! 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God

It does NOT say 23For all have sinned, and are sinners!

To be "short of the glory of God" does NOT imply that you have sinned, it implies that you are NOT God. (Although reading your vapid prose and 'modern ideas' makes me think that you might think you are. )

Get on message, boy! Read that Bible! The meaning is plain!

Carry on sinner, God's listening. You're saying God got it wrong?

It's not the ""short of the glory of God" part that implies we are sinners. It's the "all have sinned" part. Just like if you murder you are a murderer, if you lie you are a lier, etc. You are right the meaning is pretty plain. Are you trying to imply that you have never sinned?

Oh and I love these infractions claiming that I am flaming when I have done nothing but simply ask legitimate questions both a believer and unbeliever would ask. How else do you expect to bring people closer to Jesus?

[Levi Jones]

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Or better yet, just go ahead and carry out judgement by the sword and cut off each others heads?

Nah, that's up to Jesus when He returns with a sword that sticks out of His Holy Mouth.

Revelation 19:11-15 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

[Levi Jones]

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Have you guys even cracked open a bible or do you guys have a sheet of cliffnotes for verses of hate?

Oh goody! We have ourselves a biblical scholar who goes around quoting Ghandi in our midst.

I do believe in the Old testament but the foundation of Jesus's teachings are in the new testament and even many of the Old testment teachings have been reversed by Jesus ie Sacrifice,

Bzzztt. The sacrifice of animals was already abolished in

Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

hating your enemies,

I do love my enemies enough to try to save them. As Paul says,

2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

It's too bad you sit on the sidelines and tolerate their sins.

You have not even addressed the verses "God did not send his Son into the world to condemn(damn it as you would say) the world, but to save the world through Him."(John 3:17).

Keep reading in John to the very next verses.

John 3:18-20 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

or "For ALL have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God".

Nice cherrypicking. That's prior to Salvation. Paul goes on to say in Romans 3 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Read this as well.

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

or Matthew 9:13 tells us that Jesus "did not come to call the righteous, but sinners". Why is that? Maybe because Jesus's words goes against your hate speech?

Among His own people. In the very next chapter Jesus says.

Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

I'm going to start with addressing Matthew 15.

Matthew 15:22-27 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
Clearly Jesus is saying that he was sent solely for the "lost sheep" or sinner. Not sure what you were trying to emphasis by quoting this scripture

He's clearly saying he didn't come for people like the Samaritan. He was only there for his own.

Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
His disciples said to send this woman, a sinner obviously, away. Jesus is responding to his disciples saying that why would you take away the "bread"(Jesus, also known as the bread of life) and cast it away. Meaning why would you withold something from the sinner who needs it most?

I see reading comprehension is not your strong suit. He is addressing the woman by saying that again.. He is not there for her.

And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
Meaning that even the most unworthy, recieve the bread, the word, help, intervention, whatever you want to call it, from the Master.

No, she is begging Jesus to give her a crumb of His miracles despite the fact He already told her no.

Do the mental gymnastics you have to do to come up with this claptrap hurt your brain or are you used to it?

This goes along with Matther 4:45 " That you may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust."

I am unaware of the Book of Matther. If you meant Matthew 4, it only goes up to verse 25. Is it fun to make up scriptures?

Luke 20:43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
The key here is the "I" or "He" meaning Jesus. Jesus is our defender and shield from our enemies. We do not do it by ourselves. It is not commanded unto us to make our enemies our footstool. But I go back again to Matthew 4. Why has everyone seem to skip over this verse? Because though you ask who your brother is "certainly not" me the false "Christian Prophet"(I do not understand how you came about this judgement when all I've done is request the meaning behind SCRIPTURE). and have done what you guys profess which is read the scripture as that of a child. If you don't know who the brother in the Matthew 18,

Here's who the brother is.

Matthew 12:47-50 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

you can certainly understand what "enemies" means in Matthew 4 right? Which was a direct commandment from Jesus. Or is that some more of that " Scripture, it didn't happen"?

Again, I do love my enemies enough to attempt to save them. Is it loving to sit and watch a building burn or is it more loving to warn the person that the flames are going to engulf them?

What, you think we're too mean?

Hebrews 12:5-8 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

[gurgle]

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I put my firstborn up for adoption; it was female. But I haven't sinned since I was a teenager and used to masturbate.

BTW that "it" was a child, a human being, a creation of God. You claim to be against abortion but address babies as "it"?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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I agree with your scripture therefore I would like to add

23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23)

That means we are all sinners. So according to your pastor God hates all of us. So lets just all hate each other.

Oh, yes, that's right! Let's wallow in guilt!

Have you some hot-line to God, denied to the rest of us?

You translate God's Word? You presume to say that the simple meaning He promulgated is errant?

Your type of sanctimonious heathen, who pretends to be Christian, sickens me to my bowels!

Listen up and re-read that verse! 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God

It does NOT say 23For all have sinned, and are sinners!

To be "short of the glory of God" does NOT imply that you have sinned, it implies that you are NOT God. (Although reading your vapid prose and 'modern ideas' makes me think that you might think you are. )

Get on message, boy! Read that Bible! The meaning is plain!

Here's an idea, since you guys want to live like King David, why don't we kill all your first born the next time you commit a sin against God? Like God did when David sinned against God with Bathsheeba? Or better yet, just go ahead and carry out judgement by the sword and cut off each others heads?

Carry on sinner, God's listening. You're saying God got it wrong?

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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We do not associate with sinners because the Bible forbids it.

Leviticus 10:10 And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;

2nd Chronicles19:2 And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD.

[gurgle]

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Re:9:18: By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

You think God said that or that it was the rantings of a mad-man that happened to make it into The Holy Bible?

This statement is unfounded. Did I say anything about you guys being mad-men?

I also want to address your "Unsaved Unwelcome" policy and point out Luke 13.
"10 And he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the sabbath.
11 And, behold, there was a woman which had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bowed together, and could in no wise lift up herself.
12 And when Jesus saw her, he called her to him, and said unto her, Woman, thou art loosed from thine infirmity.
13 And he laid his hands on her: and immediately she was made straight, and glorified God.
14 And the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because that Jesus had healed on the sabbath day, and said unto the people, There are six days in which men ought to work: in them therefore come and be healed, and not on the sabbath day.
15 The Lord then answered him, and said, Thou hypocrite, doth not each one of you on the sabbath loose his ox or his ass from the stall, and lead him away to watering?
16 And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?
17 And when he had said these things, all his adversaries were ashamed: and all the people rejoiced for all the glorious things that were done by him."

You claim that the unsaved are unwelcome in Jesus's congregation. Please explain to me this verse then?