[ExGay Alex]

Re: God Hates Fags

I think it's shocking how you compare homosexuality to child/dog rapists.

Homosexuality and bestiality are the same in God's eyes.

The Bible mentions bestiality in at least four places. Exodus 22:19; Leviticus 18:23; Leviticus 20:15-16 (which makes clear that if a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to death, and you must kill the animal. If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it, kill both the woman and the animal); and Deuteronomy 27:21. The passages on homosexuality are easy to find and the result is the same: death to both participants. The comparison is easy.

As for rape, this is a different animal and the woman is put to death only if the child does not struggle, which shows she wanted it all along. Deuteronomy 22:23-24. I don't see how some fornicating whore is "moral" of whatever age, and even you -- with your limited capacities -- can see that, right? Is a it moral for a 10-year-old to want, and get, smoking hot sex from an adult? Do you not agree that this is immoral? Surely do see my point.

God has a pretty warped view of morality, if you whip out the ol' bible and look up some old testament teachings you'll see that he promotes slavery, beating slaves (but not so they die), stoning aldulterers and badly behaved children and many more petty crimes. Morality is not sourced from god, it is innate.

Morality is not innate; man is created by God and man is a born sinner. Psalms 51:5: "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me." It's not like you describe. You don't think adultery is moral do you? Neither does God. The "badly behaved children" you describe are not just naughty; they are giving the finger to God's commandments in each case you describe. Are you not punished when you commit a crime? Can you steal a car and it's OK? Don't act all shocked when there is a rule and a prescribed punishment when you break it and then exactly what was supposed to happen, happens. This is just law and order, plain and simple.

You see acts of morality in the animal kingdom too, but they don't have a god telling them what to do.

Animals certainly are controlled by God. Read Psalm 104.4 See also I Kings 17, 4-6: And it shall be, that thou shalt drink of the brook; and I have commanded the ravens to feed thee there. So he went and did according unto the word of the LORD: for he went and dwelt by the brook Cherith, that is before Jordan. And the ravens brought him bread and flesh in the morning, and bread and flesh in the evening; and he drank of the brook.

And what "act of morality" do I see in the animal kingdom anyway??

Friend, you need to spend a little more time with your Bible instead of just making things up.

[GodlessSinner]

Re: God Hates Fags

I'm trying to promote logic, reason and skepticism, but there is no point here.

[Cranky Old Man]

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I don't really know why I am here

Neither do we.

[GodlessSinner]

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I don't really know why I am here, all of you have obviously been heavily indoctrinated and are completely irrational when it comes to debate because all your arguments rely on your religion being correct (out of all the other religions that exist (some of which that have literally 'gone extinct')). I can't be bothered to try reasoning with you, just keep up your bible induced intollerance and bigotry, it's cooool.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: God Hates Fags

Again, you back up the fact that your god is a totalitarian leader.

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No, not really.

Totalitarian, yes. Leader, no.

God is the Creator and in complete control. He created and owns the entire universe and everything in it. He is Master, not Leader.

The analogy fails because the child, if left to fetch the ball, WILL get squished into the road.

Not necessarily, the truck could swerve and hit the old lady hobbling down the sidewalk on her walker instead.

Being gay has no earthly consequences (apart from discrimination from ignorant bigots), but it does have paranormal consequences (the whole 'hell' thing).

AIDS, rectal prolapsing, genital warts, herpes, depression, higher suicide rates. No, no earthly consequences at all.

I don't hate gays, why do you think that?

Because you want us to lie to them and tell them that they won't go to Hell for their perversions.

Also, you obviously wont agree, but there is no objective morality (this is a different debate subject which someone should start on here). We may share certain morals, but there are no absolute ones.

That's right. The atheist believes in "cultural relativism", which means it's OK to take a pair of pliers and tear out a little girl's clitoris, right?

Female genital mutilation is part of some Muslim cultures, so it must be OK. Everything is relative, right? Nothing is absolute!

God has a pretty warped view of morality, if you whip out the ol' bible and look up some old testament teachings you'll see that he promotes slavery, beating slaves (but not so they die), stoning aldulterers and badly behaved children and many more petty crimes.

I see you're new here. I'm glad to see you have actually read parts of the Bible; we've read the whole thing and believe it all. At least with you we won't have to listen to shock! and horror! when we point out that a raped virgin must marry her rapist.

Morality is not sourced from god, it is innate. You see acts of morality in the animal kingdom too, but they don't have a god telling them what to do.

Really? You mean like how parasitic wasps lay their eggs in the backs of caterpillars so their babies can eat their way out of the still-living creature?

How exactly is that a "moral" act? I look forward to your explanation.

[GodlessSinner]

Re: God Hates Fags

Well, then just prove it! Come visit me in Freehold and prove me wrong.

I predict to everyone visiting this forum that you are never going to do that as you are all words and no action.

You live too far away, also I wouldn't be able to get hold of the AIDS virus (and I wouldn't want to). That example was hypothetical.

[Cranky Old Man]

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You are very deluded.

Well, then just prove it! Come visit me in Freehold and prove me wrong.

I predict to everyone visiting this forum that you are never going to do that as you are all words and no action.

[GodlessSinner]

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You totally are not getting this. You would fail at achieving that since we are protected by God! But feel free to try, everyone on Freehold knows where I live.

You are very deluded.

[GodlessSinner]

Re: God Hates Fags

They are perverted freaks, by denying our ability to treat them you are condemning them to their misery and Hell. As for us being intollerant of them, that could be said of any sinner. Should we be tolerant of adulterers? What about child rapists? Dog rapists? Where does the line of tolerance stop? If we don't leave it up to God, who decides where the line is, YOU? What makes you the expert on human morality?

I think it's shocking how you compare homosexuality to child/dog rapists. God has a pretty warped view of morality, if you whip out the ol' bible and look up some old testament teachings you'll see that he promotes slavery, beating slaves (but not so they die), stoning aldulterers and badly behaved children and many more petty crimes. Morality is not sourced from god, it is innate. You see acts of morality in the animal kingdom too, but they don't have a god telling them what to do.

[Cranky Old Man]

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If I were to inject you with the AIDS virus, you would get AIDS. You don't have some divine immunity.

You totally are not getting this. You would fail at achieving that since we are protected by God! But feel free to try, everyone on Freehold knows where I live.

[GodlessSinner]

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No one at Landover Baptist ever gets sick, because we don't sin and God loves us. There may be some other "Baptists" somewhere who do sin, and therefore God smites them with the flu every winter. But not us.

If I were to inject you with the AIDS virus, you would get AIDS. You don't have some divine immunity.

[BelieverInGod]

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I wouldn't be surprised if Kim Jong Il thinks he is god, he has a very high opinion of himself.

Of course he does, ever atheist thinks they're God, most of them even think they're smarter than God (gee who fits that description).

Are you saying a christian couple has NEVER EVER got aids or cancer? Really?

True Christians follow the Bible to the word, how would they get AIDS or Rectal Cancer. Sure, they may get another kind of cancer, but that's because of Gods curse coming down the generational line.

I am not Liberal, I consider myself center right.

Oh yeah, sure you are.

My response to the mental health article, do you reckon it is possibly because so many people (due to their religion or otherwise) are so intollerant of them? They make them feel like they are preverted freaks, I'm not surprised that some have commited suicide (especially several decades ago)

They are perverted freaks, by denying our ability to treat them you are condemning them to their misery and Hell. As for us being intollerant of them, that could be said of any sinner. Should we be tolerant of adulterers? What about child rapists? Dog rapists? Where does the line of tolerance stop? If we don't leave it up to God, who decides where the line is, YOU? What makes you the expert on human morality?

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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Every subdivision of christianity (methodism, baptism, catholicism etc) claims to be the TRUE christianity. Does that mean if a baptist gets AIDS/cancer they are not TRUE christians?

No one at Landover Baptist ever gets sick, because we don't sin and God loves us. There may be some other "Baptists" somewhere who do sin, and therefore God smites them with the flu every winter. But not us.

[GodlessSinner]

Re: God Hates Fags

Every subdivision of christianity (methodism, baptism, catholicism etc) claims to be the TRUE christianity. Does that mean if a baptist gets AIDS/cancer they are not TRUE christians?

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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Are you saying a christian couple has NEVER EVER got aids or cancer? Really?

That's TRUE Christian(tm)!