[Johny Joe Hold]

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There is only ONE PATH to Salvation®, and that is through Jesus Christ!

There is Pastor Zeke again with a slam dunk closing argument. Don't even think about trying to match the intellect of this man.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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I guess this is a point we will just have to disagree upon, as with most religious texts we just have to wait until we die to find out which was the correct path to follow. may your choices help you in life.

There is only ONE PATH to Salvation(r), and that is through Jesus Christ!

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

[Lisa H]

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I guess this is a point we will just have to disagree upon, as with most religious texts we just have to wait until we die to find out which was the correct path to follow. may your choices help you in life.

Death comes quickly to Muslims who turn away from following Islam.

Quran
SURA 4:89 They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be [all] alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly [their homes] in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

[Powwow]

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It is not the same as using as using Mark to back up Romans. The Bible is completely different. Especially in structure and the way it is written.

The Sura you quoted expressly says Muslims are superior to non-Muslims. Where in the Bible does it say the same thing. You will also find passages in the Quran that say it is ok to deceive non-Muslims. Where in the Bible does it say that.

The Bible and Quran are the not the same. The Quran does not recognize Jesus as the Son of God, just a mere prophet. It raises Mohammad higher than Jesus.

I guess this is a point we will just have to disagree upon, as with most religious texts we just have to wait until we die to find out which was the correct path to follow. may your choices help you in life.

[Lisa H]

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Of course the passage is different, it is the same as using a passage from Mark to back-up a passage from Romans. Your inability to see past your incorrect asumptions has manifested itself in tedious rebuke.

In regards to the "It is talking about how Muslims are superior to non-muslims". Is that not exactly how the Bible talks about itself as being the only way to Heaven? Each religion believes itself superior to another, in such choosing the 'correct' one is like finding a needle in a haystack. Also is it not a good thing that Muslims are leading people to Jesus (albeit the prophet, who seen from both Biblical and Qur'an text are one and the same).

It is not the same as using as using Mark to back up Romans. The Bible is completely different. Especially in structure and the way it is written.

The Sura you quoted expressly says Muslims are superior to non-Muslims. Where in the Bible does it say the same thing. You will also find passages in the Quran that say it is ok to deceive non-Muslims. Where in the Bible does it say that.

The Bible and Quran are the not the same. The Quran does not recognize Jesus as the Son of God, just a mere prophet. It raises Mohammad higher than Jesus.

[Powwow]

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Of course the passage is different, it is the same as using a passage from Mark to back-up a passage from Romans. Your inability to see past your incorrect asumptions has manifested itself in tedious rebuke.

In regards to the "It is talking about how Muslims are superior to non-muslims". Is that not exactly how the Bible talks about itself as being the only way to Heaven? Each religion believes itself superior to another, in such choosing the 'correct' one is like finding a needle in a haystack. Also is it not a good thing that Muslims are leading people to Jesus (albeit the prophet, who seen from both Biblical and Qur'an text are one and the same).

[Lisa H]

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that is where you are getting confused, the Qur'an is talking about afterlife in Heaven.

It is clearly evident from this passage,

Aal-e-Imran [3:55]
Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.

A passage that in many ways translates directly across into Christian thoughts, as for Islamic followers Jesus was a prophet and those who follow his path will ascend and be judged on their sins.

I hope this helps with your present confusion.

That passage of the Quran is different. It is talking about how Muslims are superior to non-muslims. and about the Day of Resurrection, kind of like the Day of Rapture

[Powwow]

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The difference is the Quran is not talking about eternal afterlife in Heaven or Hell.

that is where you are getting confused, the Qur'an is talking about afterlife in Heaven.

It is clearly evident from this passage,

Aal-e-Imran [3:55]
Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.

A passage that in many ways translates directly across into Christian thoughts, as for Islamic followers Jesus was a prophet and those who follow his path will ascend and be judged on their sins.

I hope this helps with your present confusion.

[Lisa H]

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how can you be so blind as to follow Christianity and believe in life after death (you shall ascend to Heaven will you not?)...and yet cannot understand that this passage implies the exact same concept.

The difference is the Quran is not talking about eternal afterlife in Heaven or Hell.

[Powwow]

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Here it is describing how to bring the dead back.
SURA 2:73 So We said: Strike the [dead body] with part of the [Sacrificed cow], thus Allah brings the dead to life, and He shows you His signs so that you may understand.

how can you be so blind as to follow Christianity and believe in life after death (you shall ascend to Heaven will you not?)...and yet cannot understand that this passage implies the exact same concept.

[Lisa H]

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the Sura is a chant to allow a loved one to ascend at a progressed rate to heaven. it is not telling them they can raise the dead back to this plain of existance.

if you are being this nonsensical, i suggest maybe open your eyes to other trains of thought.

The Sura's are not a chant. They are like verses in the Bible and Muslims follow them.

Of course it is saying they can bring the dead back to life.

Here it is saying they can be brought back to life multiple times;
SURA 2:28 How do you deny Allah and you were dead and He gave you life? Again He will cause you to die and again bring you to life, then you shall be brought back to Him.

Here it is describing how to bring the dead back.
SURA 2:73 So We said: Strike the [dead body] with part of the [Sacrificed cow], thus Allah brings the dead to life, and He shows you His signs so that you may understand.

Here is an alternative way to bring the dead back to life.
SURA 2:260 And when Ibrahim said: My Lord! show me how Thou givest life to the dead, He said: What! and do you not believe? He said: Yes, but that my heart may be at ease. He said: Then take four of the birds, then train them to follow you, then place on every mountain a part of them, then call them, they will come to you flying; and know that Allah is Mighty, Wise.

[ExGay Alex]

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They do not follow the bible, but you do. where does it state the need for a burial? especially considreing our own saviour was not buried...

Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

There is a special exception for Jesus because he was rising the next day. For the rest of us, there is a clear Biblical instruction squarely on point.

Therefore it is not necessary to care how the Muslims bury their dead (which from what I know, they do)

It is our job to care whenever anybody flicks their boogers on the Bible, which Mooslims do on a daily basis and this particular Mooslim practice is yet another example.

The only time I think it is acceptable for Mooslims not to bury one of their dead is when our Godly armed forces leave an insufficient quantity of him left to bury. A good rain and they are dust soon enough.

[Powwow]

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You are wrong. The Quran is telling them they can raise the dead. Please re-read the Quran quotes I supplied. I even gave the Sura which tells how to bring the dead back to life.

the Sura is a chant to allow a loved one to ascend at a progressed rate to heaven. it is not telling them they can raise the dead back to this plain of existance.

if you are being this nonsensical, i suggest maybe open your eyes to other trains of thought.

[Lisa H]

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Firstly, do you not realise the exceptional closeness between the Christian faith and Islamic religion. When the Qur'an mentions Allah bringing dead back to life, it is exactly the same as Christians being brought from death to life in the way of from our dead lives on earth to an abundant life in heaven, hence the "brought back to Him" from the first passge.

the last passage is reminiscent of one of the stories of Jesus

When Jesus entered the ruler’s house and saw the flute players and the noisy crowd, he said, “Go away. The girl is not dead but asleep.” But they laughed at him. After the crowd had been put outside, he went in and took the girl by the hand, and she got up. News of this spread through all that region. -- Matthew 9:18-26

hope that helps you.

You are wrong. The Quran is telling them they can raise the dead. Please re-read the Quran quotes I supplied. I even gave the Sura which tells how to bring the dead back to life.

[Powwow]

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I was doing some research on this Mooslim practice. It appears they believe that Allah will bring the dead person back to life.

SURA 2:28 How do you deny Allah and you were dead and He gave you life? Again He will cause you to die and again bring you to life, then you shall be brought back to Him.

SURA 2:73 So We said: Strike the [dead body] with part of the [Sacrificed cow], thus Allah brings the dead to life, and He shows you His signs so that you may understand.

SURA 2:260 And when Ibrahim said: My Lord! show me how Thou givest life to the dead, He said: What! and do you not believe? He said: Yes, but that my heart may be at ease. He said: Then take four of the birds, then train them to follow you, then place on every mountain a part of them, then call them, they will come to you flying; and know that Allah is Mighty, Wise.

Firstly, do you not realise the exceptional closeness between the Christian faith and Islamic religion. When the Qur'an mentions Allah bringing dead back to life, it is exactly the same as Christians being brought from death to life in the way of from our dead lives on earth to an abundant life in heaven, hence the "brought back to Him" from the first passge.

the last passage is reminiscent of one of the stories of Jesus

When Jesus entered the ruler’s house and saw the flute players and the noisy crowd, he said, “Go away. The girl is not dead but asleep.” But they laughed at him. After the crowd had been put outside, he went in and took the girl by the hand, and she got up. News of this spread through all that region. -- Matthew 9:18-26

hope that helps you.