[RighteousWarrior]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

Brothers and sisters,they go to HELL.
It is that simple..

[RogueFilosifer]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

If you read your Bible instead of comic books, you'd know that Jesus is God.

Jesus is the son of man, son of "God" not "God" itself, this was stated clearly in the bible. I didn’t rebuke any of your comments because there just isn’t a point in arguing, in my experience, a rational person cannot win an argument with an irrational person, ever, because the irrational person in their irrationality chooses to ignore reason and sensibility. I also do not deny that Jesus existed, he was an amazing teacher and brought to all people wonderful gifts and revelations that some use to better their lives, however, there are other people, like yourselves who choose to pick the parts out of the bible you like, ignoring the others. Like for instance the fact that Jesus never once set out to make a religion out of himself, but only to better and fulfill the Jewish Prophecy.

I happen to have never read a single comic book in my life, thank you very much. I’m not a high school student trying to get my kicks out of the "Jesus Freaks". Surprising that you would refer to yourself like that though. Now I have read the bible, in fact I've read the King James Bible, The New International Bible, The New American Bible and the New Revised Standard Edition. I was educated in Christian Schools my whole life.

I think you missed most of the new testament though, because in all standard bibles, include the KJV1611, it says that your "God" is a merciful and loving "God", not one who goes around smiting people for exercising its greatest gift, freedom of choice. I choose to believe that there may just be some omniscient entity out there, but I do not attempt to give it any characteristics, or emotions, for that would mean that I assume to know the Truth, and no one person will ever know the Truth. It’s impossible, as it is a figment of perception.

I would also like to see Jesus push me into hell with his foot; I think it would be fun to see how long I can hang on. But just as a last word, you stand before "God" on your own good conscience, not on that of others. I will leave you to ponder these words, and see what you can come up with, this is not an insult, but simply an indication that you do not know everything, and nor will you at any point in any time or space.


--Sister Mary Maria--

Do with me whatever you see fit, personally it doesn't matter, only "God" and I know my true intentions, so you are the one who will decide whether you are fit to judge me.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

I think you missed most of the new testament though, because in all standard bibles, include the KJV1611, it says that your "God" is a merciful and loving "God", not one who goes around smiting people for exercising its greatest gift, freedom of choice. I choose to believe that there may just be some omniscient entity out there, but I do not attempt to give it any characteristics, or emotions, for that would mean that I assume to know the Truth, and no one person will ever know the Truth. It’s impossible, as it is a figment of perception.

God is loving and merciful, we have never said He wasn’t. God gives people the freedom of choice and when they choice wrong (like Southern California did last summer) God punishes them as a loving father should (by burning their houses). We can be sure the Southern Californians will have learned their lesson and will strive to be better Christians now.

Friend, what you don't understand is we TRUE Christians(tm) embrace all of The Bible. Not just the feel good parts.

[VictoryOS]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

It really doesn't matter where your heart is if Jesus isn't in it. You can ask all you want, but GOD doesn't give handouts to non-believers.

Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts. (James 4:3)

So why let all your good deeds go unrewarded? Say yes to Jesus today!

[Wide-Open]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

Do with me whatever you see fit, personally it doesn't matter, only "God" and I know my true intentions

Ah, you seem to have a sort of one-two going on there with the LORD?

Don't mock Him son. We have been there, have the T-shirt, or perhaps even the thong, but we know better.

My (cattlick) grandma used to say: "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". I never forgot that, and long after the old bitty died, I used to repeat those same words to my wife prior to beating her up.

"Oh, this piece of rail seems to be in the way of that poor snail, let me get some tools and remove it."

And then the JESUS TGV comes along. Kedingading kedingading...

No more snail, no more me, no more WD40, but ... the train just goes along without derailment.

Friend: what is good or bad is not your call. It's our LORD who made those calls, long before you knew of His existance, or were even a glimmer of hope in your dad's eye. He noted those start and end-times in a roadbook called the KJV Bible.

Repent now, or become an elephant squashed in the Channel Tunnel, it is entirely up to you.

If you don't... well... Probably Satan himself will tell you that he means well with his Barbed Taly-Whacker up your pooper. (and no WD40, nor KY jelly around).

You decide friend. We can only provide you with the directions. We are the TomTom of faith.

[Dr. Zaius]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

Dear brother WO. It must be late in your country. I'm sure the ales are good with you. Please take care of yourself tonight.
Be SAFE!

Dr. Zaius

[Brother Temperance]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

No, he would not go to hell.

Care to back that up with scripture?

What I don't understand is the perception of extreme believers. It is very interesting in fact as to why people of other belief are in such denial when it comes to truth and reality.

God hates hippies. Are you on heroin? Ian Curtis took heroin, and Jesus punished him by making him a spastic and killing him.

It is fact that no religion is more valid than the other. This includes comparing belief of the Bible, or the belief of the Koran, or belief of I Ching.

Oh really? Then why is it that believing in the Bible gets you into Heaven, but believing in the Koran just gets you raped by pigdemons in Hell?

You tell a Muslim they are no different than a Christian, they get angry.

WRONG! If they were a Muslim, then they were already angry. Fact.

You tell a Christian they are no different than a Muslim, they get angry.
Anger is for those that cannot handle reality.

Exodus 22:24 And my wrath shall wax hot, and I will kill you with the sword; and your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless.

Numbers 11:1 And when the people complained, it displeased the LORD: and the LORD heard it; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them that were in the uttermost parts of the camp.

Numbers 11:10 Then Moses heard the people weep throughout their families, every man in the door of his tent: and the anger of the LORD was kindled greatly; Moses also was displeased.

Are you saying that the Lord God cannot handle reality?

Reality is, all religions are beliefs. Some are so into their belief they swear by it being more valid than the other, believing every aspect of which they live their lives in belief, is true.

There aren't many people who believe that everything they believe is false. Maybe some Lutherans and Unitarians, but no-one else, you addle-brained geek.

What many of these people do not know is that we were all born free-thinking, without religious belief.

Of course we know that, you despicable mongoloid! That's why unsaved babies go straight to Hell!

Once this person challenges their belief they ultimately start to question whether it is right to even question their belief at first.

And I'm going to ultimately start questioning why it is that you sound like Hitoshi after a lobotomy.

The question is, if the Messiah hasn't come to judge the living and the dead, than how is it fact?

Say I feel like knocking my wife's teeth out. When I pick up a wrench, is it a fact that I'm not about to smack her in the face with it until I do so? I'm speaking hypothetically here, of course. I don't really have a wife.

Everyone is equally entitled to believe in their own religion.

What about Muslims? You can't claim they have rights?

No religion in any way has a more valid system than the other.

You keep on skipping over the fact that our religion is endorsed by God. That makes it pretty valid in my book.

Let me give an example to the mentality of an extreme believer. Say someone on this forum registers a user name such as "Pastor Bob" and spends weeks, even months making others believe that he himself is a true believer. He goes about making friends, preaching, copy/pasting excerpts from the Bible and then makes a thread saying that his mass amount of belief has granted him the ability to speak to God; that God came to him in his consciousness and spoke to him of marvelous events. What these friends of Pastor Bob do not know is that the Pastor has actually lied about all of these occurrences. Lied about his belief, lied about his favorite Bible readings and lied about the events that took place after. Yet they truly believed him. Giving him praises, blessings and all of those positive things.

That's just implausible. I'm confident that no-one here would ever lie about their beliefs and falsely pretend to be a Christian.

Honestly I can be very vulgar, its part of the American culture.

We know. No-one said you were polite.

we were made in the image of "God" as that we have the cognitive ability, not in a literal image of "God".

Wait, what? Are you claiming to be omniscient? If you have God's cognitive ability, then why are you such a dumbass?

The screenshots and quotes of all these pedophiles and rapists and racists will really help my supreme court case against vocal baptists, so thank you for that

Care to give any more details of your made-up court case? I'll be sure to keep an eye out for any news stories along the lines of "nude, gibbering mongoloid is expelled from Supreme Court, lethal force is employed."

P.S. That childish ranting as you put it is the educated (thats when you go to school and learn from books not written by your imagination and graduate (thats pronounced GRA-JEW-ATE)) opinion and views of a lawyer and PHD in Psychology, Criminology and World Religions.

How many lawyers live with their parents? I mean, I know Jews have weird relationships with their mothers and all, but that's taking it a step too far.

WHOA! Reality Check! Who's acting childish now?

Um, still you?

I’m arguing real issues, true logic and sensibility and you throw out insults I haven’t heard since grade school?

You've finished grade school?

Jesus is the son of man, son of "God" not "God" itself, this was stated clearly in the bible.

Where? Chapter and verse, thank you very much.

I also do not deny that Jesus existed, he was an amazing teacher and brought to all people wonderful gifts and revelations that some use to better their lives, however, there are other people, like yourselves who choose to pick the parts out of the bible you like, ignoring the others. Like for instance the fact that Jesus never once set out to make a religion out of himself, but only to better and fulfill the Jewish Prophecy.

Oh really.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Yeah, if I wasn't setting out to make a religion out of myself, that'd be exactly the sort of thing I'd say, too.

I happen to have never read a single comic book in my life, thank you very much.

Maybe you should start.

I think you missed most of the new testament though, because in all standard bibles, include the KJV1611, it says that your "God" is a merciful and loving "God", not one who goes around smiting people for exercising its greatest gift, freedom of choice.

If you've read the Bible, presumably you'll have got as far as the story of Adam and Eve. Perhaps you'd like to tell us about how that shows God is merciful and loving and would never smite anyone for using freedom of choice?

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

Jesus is the son of man, son of "God" not "God" itself, this was stated clearly in the bible.

Oh, was it?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:14

I and my Father are one.
John 10:30

And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
Acts 7:59

'Jesus isn't God' is a common myth amongs opinionated fools who've NEVER read the Bible;
Yet still think they actually have a clue as to what they're talking about.
Try reading the Bible, then come back.

a rational person cannot win an argument with an irrational person, ever, because the irrational person in their irrationality chooses to ignore reason and sensibility.

Of course he/she can, and we're winning every argument against you.
You're right however, that an ignorat fool doesn't know he is one, nor that he is losing..
And look at you, even though we show you wrong every single time -
You keep up your stupidity, only pushing another dumb idea.

Now I have read the bible, in fact I've read the King James Bible, The New International Bible, The New American Bible and the New Revised Standard Edition. I was educated in Christian Schools my whole life.

You're a terrible liar..
It's obvious you have no idea what the Bible says..
Seriously, you don't even know about the trinity so just who do you think you're fooling here?

[RogueFilosifer]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

If you've read the Bible, presumably you'll have got as far as the story of Adam and Eve. Perhaps you'd like to tell us about how that shows God is merciful and loving and would never smite anyone for using freedom of choice?

Well I'm sure that if you spent more time reading the Bible and less time trying to recreate the dystopian novel 1984, you would realize that there are hundreds of stories that come after Adam and Eve in the old testament, especially in the Septuagint where "God" Smites man, but then low and behold the New Testament comes around and HOLY CRAP! God had a change of gas and is now not so smiteful...but wait, the Bible only says so much, maybe we should ask Jesus to mediate for us? But he can't, he's kind of busy being the right hand of the Father and all. But just for the hell of it, Jesus, if you can read this, could you explain your true intentions, the ones that no man, woman, or child will ever understand to these, the people made in the image of your father, and to tell them a secret that no one else will ever know? Thank you

If you read the Bible, you would realize that the New Testament is actually more recent than the Old Testament, so its a little more credible.

[RogueFilosifer]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

Oh, was it?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:14

I and my Father are one.
John 10:30

And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
Acts 7:59

'Jesus isn't God' is a common myth amongs opinionated fools who've NEVER read the Bible;
Yet still think they actually have a clue as to what they're talking about.
Try reading the Bible, then come back.



Of course he/she can, and we're winning every argument against you.
You're right however, that an ignorat fool doesn't know he is one, nor that he is losing..
And look at you, even though we show you wrong every single time -
You keep up your stupidity, only pushing another dumb idea.



You're a terrible liar..
It's obvious you have no idea what the Bible says..
Seriously, you don't even know about the trinity so just who do you think you're fooling here?

Oh are you talking about the holy trinity here? Or the trinity your blank and blank make when you squish them all together because you're bord with life?

The Holy Trinity is The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit.

I and my Father are one.
John 10:30

That is true, but Jesus didnt say, "I am my Father" he said "I and my Father am one." which means he is one with God, not actually God.

Edited for language -Wash O'Hanley

[Brother McGregor]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

As I said, what if an unbeliver does incredibly good things, like saving one of you from falling off a cliff? Would he still go to hell?

The path to hell is lined with good intentions

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

Do with me whatever you see fit, personally it doesn't matter, only "God" and I know my true intentions, so you are the one who will decide whether you are fit to judge me.

Of course I'm fit to judge you, Andrew! I'm a Christian washed clean of sin by the blood of the Lord! However, you're behaving yourself right now (in a secular, God-hating way), so I won't punish you for your intentions, but I will keep an eye on your behavior.

[RogueFilosifer]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

Of course I'm fit to judge you, Andrew! I'm a Christian washed clean of sin by the blood of the Lord! However, you're behaving yourself right now (in a secular, God-hating way), so I won't punish you for your intentions, but I will keep an eye on your behavior.

I dont hate your "God", im just not a "God" fearing christian, is that really so bad?

[JennyD]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

I dont hate your "God", im just not a "God" fearing christian, is that really so bad?

It's fine, if you don't mind an eternity of unending torture.

Is that something you look forward to? Are you a masochist, friend? I guarantee the demons torturing you in Hell will NOT look like Lucy Liu, nor will they be wearing patent leather thigh-high boots with 6" heels and carrying feather dusters!

[RogueFilosifer]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

It's fine, if you don't mind an eternity of unending torture.

Is that something you look forward to? Are you a masochist, friend? I guarantee the demons torturing you in Hell will NOT look like Lucy Liu, nor will they be wearing patent leather thigh-high boots with 6" heels and carrying feather dusters!

Surprisingly eternity isn't that long. And I was playing poker with Satan last weekend, he's a pretty good guy, just a little misunderstood. Its a bonus that I won a grand off him though