What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

[JennyD]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

No, he would not go to hell.

Please explain to us upon what you base your belief that ignoring God's Word (and, in fact, acting in direct opposition to His commandments) will get this person a one-way ticket to Heaven.

Your own imagination or your human concepts of "fair play" are not relevant, only God's Will is.

[lovethygod]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

No, he would not go to hell.

[JennyD]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

The society is in a situation now where they don't need God to have morals. Nonetheless, what an individual person thinks is good is different. Even Hitler didn't wake up going, 'let me do the most evil thing I can do today.' I think he woke up in the morning and using a twisted, backwards logic, he set out to do what he thought was 'good.'

Nice plagiarism, Will Smith. Thou shalt not steal.

But doesn't it make a lot more sense to think for yourself instead of having a thousand-year-old book, whose original origins can't possibly be proven to be real, tell you what to do? To be a true Christian isn't to follow the Bible literally word for word. If that is the case, then everyone on this site is doing many, MANY things wrong, and is not a true Christian. In fact, I doubt there is one truely Christian person on earth. Why? Because to be the definition of a "Christian" is to live exactly like Christ. That's not possible because nobody is perfect. That's just human nature.

Also, the Bible is incredibly hypocritical. That's reason enough to follow it with a grain of sand... that is, read it as it is and not act on it like a mindless robot.

Do tell, exactly how is God's Word hypocritical? And who are you, a mere human, to insult God in this manner?

Now as far as the topic of this thread is concerned may I quote the Golden Rule? "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" and then the words of Jesus himself "Love thy neighbour as I love you". That includes gays and lesbians, and all non believers.

Please, do quote the Golden Rule. In context, from the KJV1611.

Then look through the Bible and figure out exactly how "neighbour" is defined.

You will see that Jesus commanded us to love our brothers and sisters in Christ, and to turn away nonbelievers who refuse to repent, just as He will turn them away to an eternity in Hell for their wilful rejection of His Love.

The day will come, RogueBrewery, when you will stand before Jesus on Judgment Day. He will ask you if you kept His commandments. What will you say?

"Oh, well, I kept the ones I liked -- you know, that Golden Rule thing -- and ignored the rest. Yeah, I took pleasure in the homers, even though Your Book said that doing so would lead to my condemnation. The Book must have been wrong."

Jesus will say, "I understand your position. You picked the parts that you liked of Me, and threw the rest away. I shall follow your lead.

"I pick . . . your nose."

Then Jesus will take up His Holy Sword and lop off your nose! As you stand dumbfounded, blood spurting from your face as your blessed nose rolls into Heaven, Jesus will give you one swift sandal to the chest, casting the rest of you screaming downward into eternal Hellfire!

Sound good? Or would you rather get right with God, and have ALL your 2000 parts join Him and us in Heaven?

[RogueFilosifer]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

He whom is open minded to all respects of realities is one who utilizes the true power of mentality, the power of pure will and private morality. Ethical understanding is developed based upon ones true behavior; moving aside influential thoughts and the perception of God.

In a certain aspect, we all play a role in maintaining a certain level of consciousness between minds of living things. One does not require faith to showcase a positive flow of energy. One needs their mind. Our mind is of unlimited potential, it is an unknown tool we will never unscramble no matter what science or technology is plugged into the very core of it.

Utilizing both a private, person morality and ethical understanding of the world before us reveals unlimited potential to the beholder.

Now being a student of the english language I am obligated to inform you that you are incorrect in your use of "Ethical". Ethics are applied only as a group or community determined set of morals. Morals are your personal guidelines, which differ in every single person. However, your message in its general entirety is correct, the belief in "God" does not bring the world together so much as the thoughts that create that belief.

Now as far as the topic of this thread is concerned may I quote the Golden Rule? "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" and then the words of Jesus himself "Love thy neighbour as I love you". That includes gays and lesbians, and all non believers.

[Father Thomas Martin]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

And so on, and so on. It appears that your problem isn't with us, it's with Jesus. Personally, I find it easier to believe and obey because it just makes sense.

James 2:24

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

[Transmission]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

He whom is open minded to all respects of realities is one who utilizes the true power of mentality, the power of pure will and private morality. Ethical understanding is developed based upon ones true behavior; moving aside influential thoughts and the perception of God.

In a certain aspect, we all play a role in maintaining a certain level of consciousness between minds of living things. One does not require faith to showcase a positive flow of energy. One needs their mind. Our mind is of unlimited potential, it is an unknown tool we will never unscramble no matter what science or technology is plugged into the very core of it.

Utilizing both a private, person morality and ethical understanding of the world before us reveals unlimited potential to the beholder.

[Religious_Zealot]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

And so on, and so on. It appears that your problem isn't with us, it's with Jesus. Personally, I find it easier to believe and obey because it just makes sense.

But doesn't it make a lot more sense to think for yourself instead of having a thousand-year-old book, whose original origins can't possibly be proven to be real, tell you what to do? To be a true Christian isn't to follow the Bible literally word for word. If that is the case, then everyone on this site is doing many, MANY things wrong, and is not a true Christian. In fact, I doubt there is one truely Christian person on earth. Why? Because to be the definition of a "Christian" is to live exactly like Christ. That's not possible because nobody is perfect. That's just human nature.

Also, the Bible is incredibly hypocritical. That's reason enough to follow it with a grain of sand... that is, read it as it is and not act on it like a mindless robot.

[imogene]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

The society is in a situation now where they don't need God to have morals. Nonetheless, what an individual person thinks is good is different. Even Hitler didn't wake up going, 'let me do the most evil thing I can do today.' I think he woke up in the morning and using a twisted, backwards logic, he set out to do what he thought was 'good.'

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

As I said, what if an unbeliver does incredibly good things, like saving one of you from falling off a cliff? Would he still go to hell?

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

And so on, and so on. It appears that your problem isn't with us, it's with Jesus. Personally, I find it easier to believe and obey because it just makes sense.

[JustAnotherHuman]

As I said, what if an unbeliver does incredibly good things, like saving one of you from falling off a cliff? Would he still go to hell?