[MitzaLizalor]

They sound like a pretty rotten pair of scoundrels, this Er and this Onan. There's an old colonial tradition, no doubt still current in more isolated locations, that should a couple not be breeding a brother or sister would substitute their person in the marriage bed. This did not require the spouse to be deceased. The child would then be brought up in the same village with the same friends and the same blood relatives, albeit in a different order, as if the parents were the natural parents. One of them would be, of course, the idea being that population was necessary to prevent savages or catholics from swamping the settlement whether in Virginia or in New South Wales as the case may be.

All accepted and close to what God ordained BUT what a brace of weirdies there in Genesis they must have been! One look at them and God smote without hesitation.

Whether contaminated by Judah's poor choice of wife, Shuah the Canaanitess Genesis 38:2, we're not told – other than that Canaanites were verboten, wholesale. Perhaps he sung Indian songs about purple elephants or imported voodoo dolls from Persia? God saw. BANG!! One down.

So much for Er. But remember, Er came team-handed. What about Onan? Lurking about, ogling Canaanites, who knows what abominations he adored? And as Jesus was to be born from Judah, it was important that Ham's curse blasted directly onto Canaan, some years before, was not coursing through Christ's veins – but God was watching.

Genesis 38:10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.

When purchasing wives for one's sons, it's so important to avoid contaminated stock. God knew this, the colonial settlers knew, anyone reading The Bible knows too and yet, despite God's message, preserved because He loves us, daughters who won't marry whom they're told and run off to idols (a stroll through any West Hollywood metaphysical crystal emporium should suffice here) I have forgotten what I was going to put next and am starting to feel sick.

[Prayer Warrior]

I realize I am way late to this thread Brother Percy, but I think Jacob's sons in their wisdom, may have discovered a marriage loophole!

Genesis 34:1-2

And Dinah the daughter of Leah, which she bare unto Jacob, went out to see the daughters of the land. And when Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, prince of the country, saw her, he took her, and lay with her, and defiled her.


Genesis 34:25

Simeon and Levi, Dinah’s brethren, took each man his sword, and came upon the city boldly, and slew all the males.

Under OT law, if a spouse dies, then the brother takes the place, so unfortunately if just the rapist alone passes that won't necessarily free your daughter.

Deuteronomy 25:5–10

If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband’s brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband’s brother unto her.

This passage is later referenced to Jesus in NT.

Matthew 22:24

Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.

God apperently takes this rule very seriously. When Judah's son Er tried to get out of his brotherly duty, God killed him. So you probably don't want to take any chances on this one.

Genesis 38:10
"And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also."

[Nobar King]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist??

I didn't understand some of what you wrote but I'm pretty sure that the Lebanese don't marry men.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist??

I was revolted today. Someone sent me a piece from one of the moon worshipping realms claiming something about "good news!" when according to The Bible all there is are additional offences designed to challenge God's authority above and beyond the mere worshipping of idols. Now they want to force apostasy onto unborn children and abandon the mother to a life where she must fend for herself because no-one following God's standard would want to buy her.

The Lebanese parliament passed a law to abolish a controversial article which granted rapists an ‘escape’ from prison if they married their victims.….Lebanese law stated that rapists are punishable by up to seven years in prison. If the rape victim is a person with a special need, physical or mental, the penalty was increased. Article 522 added that if the violator marries his victim, criminal prosecution is suspended.

God has been very explicit in this matter. If you have some other opinion you are disagreeing with God and let's face it if He could be wrong on one point He could be wrong about Jesus, wrong about Heaven and Hell, wrong about resurrection of the dead in Christ and the innate vileness we all inherit from conception and wrong about every baby born deserving of unspeakable torture forever.

II CORINTHIANS . KJV . context .. WHOLE CHAPTER which I can recommend reading for anyone continuing to claim God got it wrong
5:15 [Jesus] died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

The opportunity is there for reconciliation with God. Jesus will accept all who come to Him, subject to the foreknowledge of God the Father, but for that to happen the path to Jesus needs to be opened up. This is how the congregation of the LORD works. But illegitimate children are excluded.

DEUTERONOMY . KJV . look up
22:28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
30 A man shall not take his father's wife, nor discover his father's skirt.
23:1 He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

Even in Lebanon there'd be a chance to encounter a true Christian who could explain about Jesus or to visit a Church since I understand these have not yet all been blown up. But think of the children born to these women. The Church which admits them is not in accordance with The Word Of God but rather have made something up for themselves, something different from what God commanded, something more in line with "modern" values. In no such Church will Redemption be available. You might as well go down to the nearest dubstep orgy and look for Salvation there. But for the child of married parents, access is permitted.

What about those who don't become pregnant? What are they to do? God, who made everyone and knows how revolting we are, has explained about that in The Bible:

PROVERBS . KJV . look up
30:14 There is a generation, whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men.
15a The horseleach hath two daughters, crying, Give, give.
15b-16b There are three things that are never satisfied, yea, four things say not, It is enough: The grave; and the barren womb;
16c-16d The earth that is not filled with water; and the fire that saith not, It is enough.
17 The eye that mocketh at his father, and despiseth to obey his mother, the ravens of the valley shall pick it out, and the young eagles shall eat it.

I have read the arguments trying to outdo God in their understanding of the world we live in, proposing different value systems having no basis in anything other than what everyone finds comfortable. Those are NOT standards described by God. His word is pure, reliable. Unchanging. Certain for Salvation. But God has foreknowledge and understands what will happen under various future scenarios. One thing He knows is that some people are excluded. Another thing He knows is who those people are. And He has told us. That is how I know too. I don't need to work anything out or invoke obscure theological interpretations. All I need to do is read The Bible. And that is why I was revolted.

Those poor creatures, being moved farther away from Salvation, farther even than they are now. Jesus is the answer. Turn to Him today.

[Alvin Moss]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist??

Well, we as Christians are free of the law of Moses, so I think it's pretty open. While killing the baby is wrong, charging the rapist is definitely a good idea. After all God hates lust!

Christians are Christians because we accept Jesus and follow God's laws as set out in His Holy Bible. You are not Christian. Stop deluding yourself and accept Jesus Christ into your heart. Learn and follow God's laws or prepare for the fiery pit.


And another thing- Where is your introduction, Mr. Rude Man?

[handmaiden]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist??

Well, we as Christians are free of the law of Moses, so I think it's pretty open. While killing the baby is wrong, charging the rapist is definitely a good idea. After all God hates lust!

Doesn't your Bible contain Matthew 5:17?

Matthew 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

Tsk. Tsk.


Mr./Mrs./Miss Tableleg0;


You were just schooled in Biblical understanding by an admitted atheist. Seems to me that you don't have a table leg to stand on.


Punishingly Yours,


Handmaiden

[Didymus Much]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist??

Well, we as Christians are free of the law of Moses, so I think it's pretty open...

Doesn't your Bible contain Matthew 5:17?

Matthew 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

[Tableleg0]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist??

Friends,

I recently received a letter from a concerned parent. In the letter she told me that her daughter had been raped, but was refusing to marry her rapist as per Deuteronomy 22:28-29. The stupid girl actually wants to press charges on the man!

Not only that, but that she also plans to kill the poor unborn baby her rapist had given her! Sickening! Have young people today got NO morals?

Any and all advice on what I can say to convince this girl to do the right thing would be great. Should I start with the basics ?

"Whore, you'll burn in Hell for all eternity - unless you marry your rapist"??

Or should I go for a more subtle approach??

Scripture:

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (King James Version)

If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

Well, we as Christians are free of the law of Moses, so I think it's pretty open. While killing the baby is wrong, charging the rapist is definitely a good idea. After all God hates lust!

[handmaiden]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist??

Dear Brothers of Landover Baptist Church;


Forgive me if this is not the exactly correct thread in which to address this concern, but it does seem to fit the overarching theme of the discussion, i.e., that a young woman who is raped is expected to marry the man who did the deed in order to be in compliance with Biblical Law.


There was a political ad on the television. The ad mentioned things going on in different countries such as homosexuals being prosecuted and women who were raped being sent to prison. Obviously, that last item doesn't represent the first, or best, option, which is for the girl to marry the man as has been discussed.


Now, what concerns me is that the ad was for Donald Trump's campaign. The general point was that the Clinton Foundation takes money from countries where the activities mentioned are practiced.


Of course, if those things are being done in obedience to the Lord God Jesus Christ and thus bring Glory to His Name, then they are right and good before The Almighty. Since those countries are likely to be run by Muslims, then perhaps we should be concerned about those practices.


I'm not certain if Donald Trump made a direct promise to stop those practices in other countries, but when he does become president, I am confident that he will find a way to control the social, political and legal attitudes of all the other countries in the world and make sure that they don't do things that we good, American people, don't like.


Still, as previously stated, I am uncertain here. If the governments are preventing homosexual sin and punishing rape victims with imprisonment (really, they should be stoned, but every lofty outcome has to start somewhere), then can we at least rejoice in the fact that fewer sins are being flaunted before Jesus' Sweet Eyes, even if the motivation for stamping out the sins isn't correct?


Again, please forgive me if I have wandered off-topic. Of course, enforcing Deuteronomy 22 here in these United States of America is the issue to hand and I do not mean to distract from it.


All the same, though, I am looking forward to President Trump grabbing all those other countries by the p&ssy and imposing his will upon them so that their societies and way of life correctly conforms to our own.


Optimistically Yours,


Handmaiden

[Alvin Moss]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist??

Oh my heart is heavy and my anger burns at the madness of this misrepresentation of Gods holy word .you clearly lack an understanding of oldtestment law. That law protected a wemon from being unable to marry because she was considerd unwanted and was cast out if she was not a vergin. christ clearly stated that evan looking on a female with lust in ones heart made him a adulterer and there for a sinner. He is unclean and worthy of condemnation.Also read&nbsp;galatians 3:28 that might help with your hyper sexist bull squat.A postion of athority in Gods kingdom is one of servatude or did you forget our Lord Jesus died on a cross for us he washed the feet of his friends and filled the bellys of the 5000. He resucued the wemon caught in adultry and cured the wemon who latched to his garment.My advice read a bible before you are exsposed as a fake and the man who raped this girl is guilty of a crime he should be prosocuted end of story.<div>&nbsp;</div>

I perceive that you are a public school man, friend. Why don't you calm down, go to the introduction forum and introduce yourself. If you have any pertinent information to impart, we are happy to read and discuss it with you. If you come as a ravening beast, as so many do, then you will be banned and damned to follow the smoldering footsteps of many who have come before you, down to the bowels of Hell.

[handmaiden]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist??

You people are twisting Gods word and you know it how will you exsplain this befor the white throne on judgment day you disscrace the The word of god

As Brother Dr. White has explained there is zero twisting of God's Word regarding this issue.


The real question to be pondered is how is it possible to disgrace the Word of God using the Word of God?




Patently Obviously Yours,


Handmaiden

[Elmer G. White]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist??

You people are twisting Gods word and you know it how will you exsplain this befor the white throne on judgment day you disscrace the The word of god

Dear Sinner,

The judgment before the White Throne is, of course, a reality. It will occur after the Millennium.

Revelation 20:13
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

However, I am going to be there not as the accused but as a spectator, as I will have been Raptured (1 Thessalonians 4:17) before the Tribulations (Revelation 6-9), and having spent the millennium in Heaven, this will be most interesting to watch!



As for punishing the rapist, I really fail to understand how God's Word could be misinterpreted. It is Crystal Clear!

Deuteronomy 22:28-29
If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

These verses contain lots of information as follows:

1. The man violates a virgin girl.
2. It is a sin and a crime.
3. The crime deserves punishment.
4. God has ordered that the man be punished.
5. The punishment is severe.
6. Is there a more severe punishment than a fine AND an unhappy marriage that is undoubtedly going to be an exhausting affair with lots of nagging and bitterness.

AND there is no chance of divorce. The man is financially and emotionally deprived of any future happiness. How on Earth would this not represent punishment of the severest kind? I'm very worried about you, Dear Sinner, as your Biblical Education is most deficient.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Redletter warrior]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist??

You people are twisting Gods word and you know it how will you exsplain this befor the white throne on judgment day you disscrace the The word of god

[Didymus Much]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist??

Oh my heart is heavy and my anger burns at the madness of this misrepresentation of Gods holy word .you clearly lack an understanding of oldtestment law...

What's to misunderstand? The Scripture says that they are to be married, right? The girl was refusing to comply with [what these people believe to be] God's clearly expressed and unambiguous wish. How could anyone who considers themself to be a Christian approve of her actions?

...Also read&nbsp; galatians 3:28 that might help with your hyper sexist bull squat...

No, you read it. See what it says? "...for ye are all one in Christ Jesus..." <--- that bit. She's not "in Christ Jesus" if she's in rebellion against His word, now, is she?

...A postion of athority in Gods kingdom is one of servatude or did you forget our Lord Jesus died on a cross for us he washed the feet of his friends...

Lol, every position in God's Kingdom is one of servitude (except God's).

... and filled the bellys of the 5000...

So He bought someone lunch. Whooop de dooo. Pastor Zeke does that all the time.

...He resucued the wemon caught in adultry...

No, He took a convenient opportunity to mock some hypocrites (curiously, that's one of my favourite habits ). As for the woman? He knew that she was still going to burn in Hell for eternity if she didn't acknowledge Him as her Lord and Master and beg forgiveness for dishonouring her husband so grievously, so what if she doesn't die immediately? He's in no rush.

...and cured the wemon who latched to his garment...

Are you expecting Brother Percy to start healing people by touch, now?

...My advice read a bible before you are exsposed as a fake and the man who raped this girl is guilty of a crime he should be prosocuted end of story...

The point is, your God lays out the punishment that He sees appropriate in this case in Deuteronomy. Why are you so anxious to see people disobey God's commands?

[Redletter warrior]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist??

Oh my heart is heavy and my anger burns at the madness of this misrepresentation of Gods holy word .you clearly lack an understanding of oldtestment law. That law protected a wemon from being unable to marry because she was considerd unwanted and was cast out if she was not a vergin. christ clearly stated that evan looking on a female with lust in ones heart made him a adulterer and there for a sinner. He is unclean and worthy of condemnation.Also read&nbsp;galatians 3:28 that might help with your hyper sexist bull squat.A postion of athority in Gods kingdom is one of servatude or did you forget our Lord Jesus died on a cross for us he washed the feet of his friends and filled the bellys of the 5000. He resucued the wemon caught in adultry and cured the wemon who latched to his garment.My advice read a bible before you are exsposed as a fake and the man who raped this girl is guilty of a crime he should be prosocuted end of story.<div>&nbsp;</div>