[Luci Mourningstar]

Re: Why did God punish Adam for eating from the tree of knowledge

I never understood that. It seems to give the impression that knowledge is bad or that God doesn't want you to learn things.

Adam was made first. He had authority over Eve and because he did not use it, he was punished.

[Lilith's bastard son]

Re: Why did God punish Adam for eating from the tree of knowledge

There were two special trees like very true christian knows.

And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. (Gen 2:9 KJV)

God puts the man and the woman in the garden and as you know gives them some specific instructions:

And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. (Gen 2:16-17 KJV)

We all know the account; the serpent talks the woman into eating of the forbidden tree. She offers it to the man and he eats. Their innocence lost, the first couple tastes sin and it is bitter. It brings about quick action on the part of God:

And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: (Gen 3:22 KJV)

So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. (Gen 3:24 KJV)

God casts them out of the Garden to prevent them from eating of the tree of life. Had they eaten, they would have lived forever. Obviously Adam did not physically die the day he ate of the fruit. Therefore we must conclude either the threat was a bluff, God did not literally mean in the day Adam ate he would die, or the death was something other than physical.

Adam did eventually die so this was no bluff. The real skeptic might conclude the tree of life was the bluff but that makes not sense. If God were bluffing he would simply have cut the tree down. Instead he places cherubim with a flaming sword at the gate to prevent reentry into the garden. They witnessed the curse upon themselves and the serpent. Their eyes were opened and they saw they were sinners. This was no bluff. God meant what he said.

To assume the second conclusion is to place far too much emphasis on the physical. If eating of the tree of life would solve all of Adam’s ills would not God have been anxious to save his creation? Yes, he would. In fact, he did put in motion the plan to completely fix Adam’s problems before he banished the couple from the garden. In Genesis 3:15, the very first messianic prophecy is given. It tells of the day when one of Eve’s descendants will overcome and destroy the serpent.

If killing the serpent would have solved the problem, Adam could surely have taken care of one little snake. But the problem was not physical. Although there are obvious physical consequences to Adam’s sin the real tragedy was the loss of his relationship with God. Adam died spiritually the day he ate of the fruit. The spirit of Adam became separated from God. That is spiritual death.

[WWJDnow]

Re: Why did God punish Adam for eating from the tree of knowledge

Well are you really a pilot cause we wouldn't have discovered how to build planes without looking for knowledge outside of the bible.

We figured out how to build planes by watching birds. God gave us the idea, not some so-called scientist.

I mean God made us smarter than all the other animals so I'm sure he wanted us to use our brains to question the world around us and to be able to push the limits of what is possible.

God didn't make us smarter than all of the animals. Dragons, for example, are far more intelligent than human beings, as are Leviathans and Fiery Flying Serpents. Please stop spouting this non-Biblical nonsense.

Doesn't God want us to learn more about the world around us and become smarter so we can better serve him?

God doesn't want us to serve Him. He has plenty of servants. What God wants is for us to OBEY Him. That, and to give him some of the virgins we capture in war as His share of the loot.

But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

You didn't smite us on the right cheek. You smote us on the wrong cheek, brother.

And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.

That's why True Christians™ leave their coats at home when they go to court.

And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

His gun better be bigger than mine, or he's not compelling me to do doodlesquat.

Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

I leant a quarter just the other day to a homeless bum outside my apartment. It makes me sick knowing what I had to do to him to collect when the loan came due later in the day. Can you believe it, he actually refused to pay the interest?

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

God Bless you, sinner.

Lord, please watch over the vile sinner MC Hawking. Bring him a speedy death, that he may roast in Hell all the sooner, and thus serve as an example to others that the Lord will not be mocked, thus making his pathetic--and probably homosexual--life not be a total waste. In Jesus' name I pray. Amen.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Why did God punish Adam for eating from the tree of knowledge

Well are you really a pilot cause we wouldn't have discovered how to build planes without looking for knowledge outside of the bible. [...]

Sir, you are insufferable! Does not the Bible tell us to take care of our neighbor? How would that be possible for a pilot were it not for training?

Once a man is fortified by the morals espoused by The Lord of Hosts, then he is prepared for life in His service.

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

Re: Why did God punish Adam for eating from the tree of knowledge

Well are you really a pilot cause we wouldn't have discovered how to build planes without looking for knowledge outside of the bible.

Am I really a pilot? Hello, look at me! You think I wear this outfit as a fashion statement? I was making a point with the picture of the KJV 1611 friend. And we capitalize the 'B' in Bible on this Godly forum out of respect to it's Author!

Yes I read other books for Ground school, Flight school, and when I was Instrument Rated. But I never questioned the work of the Lord just because I was learning to fly! Please refrain from personal attacks while you are a GUEST here friend.

[David Goldman]

Re: Why did God punish Adam for eating from the tree of knowledge

I never understood that. It seems to give the impression that knowledge is bad or that God doesn't want you to learn things.

You don't appear to be very bright. You're not even asking the correct question.

To answer that question stated: God punished Adam for disobeying -- simple as that.

Your real question seems to be, "why did God forbid Adam from eating said fruit?" And your implication is that the fruit contained some awesome knowledge that God was jealously guarding. If you had read your Bible, then you would have known that the "knowledge" contained in the fruit was the knowledge of shame, sorrow and suffering.

As a humanist, I'm sure that you applaud Adam's decision anyway. For you, defying God is its own reward, regardless of the consequences.

And to clear up one last implication: knowledge is a tool, neither good nor evil. The evil (or good) comes from the attitude behind its acquisition and application. The Bible is entirely consistent with rewarding knowledge for a Godly purpose, and punishing knowledge for an evil purpose.

You avatar indicates that you are here to cause trouble, and not even subtly. I suggest that you move on elsewhere, since I doubt you are here seeking salvation or fellowship. This is not a debate forum.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why did God punish Adam for eating from the tree of knowledge

Hatred?? Where did that come from?

It comes from you. Questioning God's Will is hateful, especially when your intentions are to trick us into abandoning our faith.

I didn't know you couldn't ask questions in this forum. I was just trying to gain a deeper understanding of God's will.

Then read the Bible. Read through the many wonderful sermons on this forum. Read our church doctrines.

Stop trying to plant seeds of doubt. We're hip to that slip.

[MC_Hawking]

Re: Why did God punish Adam for eating from the tree of knowledge

Go peddle your hatred somewhere else.

Hatred?? Where did that come from? I didn't know you couldn't ask questions in this forum. I was just trying to gain a deeper understanding of God's will.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why did God punish Adam for eating from the tree of knowledge

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to upset anybody, but it seems that YOU are the one who is not following the word of god.

Matthew 5:39-48

39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
41And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
43Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy.
44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

You aren't my neighbor in any sense of the word, hippie.

And why do you even care what the Bible says on this or any other topic? You are here to mock God. You don't care what the Bible says anyway!

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23:Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Jude 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

[MC_Hawking]

Re: Why did God punish Adam for eating from the tree of knowledge

Who are you to question God's will? I'd be willing to bet that you've never even opened a Bible in your life.

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to upset anybody, but it seems that YOU are the one who is not following the word of god.

Matthew 5:39-48

39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
41And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
43Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy.
44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why did God punish Adam for eating from the tree of knowledge

Well are you really a pilot cause we wouldn't have discovered how to build planes without looking for knowledge outside of the bible. I mean God made us smarter than all the other animals so I'm sure he wanted us to use our brains to question the world around us and to be able to push the limits of what is possible.

Oh you're sure, are you?

Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? -- Matthew 6:25

He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered. --Proverbs 28:26

You are a fool, hippie. Go peddle your hatred somewhere else.

[MC_Hawking]

Re: Why did God punish Adam for eating from the tree of knowledge

All the knowledge I need is right here friend!

Well are you really a pilot cause we wouldn't have discovered how to build planes without looking for knowledge outside of the bible. I mean God made us smarter than all the other animals so I'm sure he wanted us to use our brains to question the world around us and to be able to push the limits of what is possible.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why did God punish Adam for eating from the tree of knowledge

I never understood that. It seems to give the impression that knowledge is bad or that God doesn't want you to learn things.

Who are you to question God's will? I'd be willing to bet that you've never even opened a Bible in your life.

[eliot mayfield]

Re: Why did God punish Adam for eating from the tree of knowledge

But why was that a bad choice. If it was just a test then why didn't he tell Adam to not eat from the peach tree or the pear tree. He could have just said "don't eat from THAT tree" and then just pointed to a random tree. Why did he specifically tell him not to eat from the tree of knowledge? It just seems like in God's infinite wisdom he should have known that saying "don't eat from the tree of knowledge" could be seen as being anti-knowledge. Doesn't God want us to learn more about the world around us and become smarter so we can better serve him?

Peaches and Pears taste better than Apples.

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

Re: Why did God punish Adam for eating from the tree of knowledge

All the knowledge I need is right here friend!