[FoundGirlJNB]

Re: A couple things

This thread is killing me here. Excuse me Miss Satan's False Word, do you want to come to the point here?

[WickedWitch]

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I'm not here to hate, I'm really not. I'm going to be straight up honest here too, I quit reading the bible a while ago Good idea, it was rotting your brain anyway, it's been years. But anyway, I was sifting through these forums, having a good laugh at some stuff, but some of it sounds pretty serious. Do you honestly believe some of the stuff you're saying? Yes they do. The things about Obama ( I wanted McCain for future reference), Retarded children and even Scooby Doo? And Sponge Bob and Harry Potter, too.

I know I'm "going to hell for this" and "condemning myself into the fiery pits of hell!", but it's cool I guess. I don't want to make anybody mad, so don't take any of this the wrong way, I am a Christian, and I love God, but this seems a little extreme to me.

Well then, I'm sorry, but you're not very much of a Christian. None of the Landovarians' beliefs should seem extreme to you, as a Christian, because they believe in Christianity in it's truest, purest form. They believe in, preach, and follow the Bible word for word, just as it was written, just as their god intended them to do; they don't pick and choose like other Christians do. Most other Christians like to completely omit The Old Testament after they get through their version of how the world was created, and after that they sort through the passages of The New Testament and choose the ones that make them feel okay about being Christians, and justify their prejudices against others. In short, they create their own kind of plastic Christianity, that's nicer, gentler, easier for them to follow, and easier on their consciences. Many Christians today aren't even aware of how violent their own religion is. So no wonder you're a tad shocked at the beliefs you've seen here, you've only been experiencing some of Christianity - the nice, friendly parts. If you find what you've seen here to be a bit too harsh, consider then that perhaps it isn't the Landoverites that are extreme, but instead it's Christianity that's extreme, because the Landovarians are the very picture of how perfect Christians are meant to behave.

[JennyD]

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Rev. Jim, I see you have asked for scripture of where God says that He loves all people (black, mentally challanged and all the heathens outside of Landover's gates). I am happy to indulge you with these.

Romans 8:38-39
38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

This says that no outside force can separate a Christian from God. How do you get this to mean that God loves non-Christians?

1 John 3:23 (You might want to spend some over-time lulling on this one, seeing as it commands us, word for word, to love one another, not only to love your white, healthy neighbor in Landover.)
23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1 Thessalonians 3:12
12And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you:

We love other Christians. In these, Paul was writing to various Christian churches and telling them to love each other. Other Christians. This says nothing about who God loves.

1 Peter 2:15-17

15For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

16As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God. 17Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

As above.

I am sure if you do a study on who God loves, as apposed to who He hates, you will find that he loves all of His creation.

Yes, and He demonstrates this love by giving us the choice between complete obedience, which earns us an eternity of worshipping and serving and praising Him in Heaven, or any disobedience, which earns us resurrection at Judgment so we may be cast into unending agony in the Lake of Fire that He has created to eternally torture those who fail to uphold the least of His commands.

See, I call that "hating" someone, when you actually resurrect them from the dead so you can torture them forever. You think that's "love"?

What kind of a sick weirdo ARE you, anyway?

[Remy Lebeau]

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I follow His word diligently. Just because I also follow His instructions on LOVE does not mean I ignore the rest.

Yes or No: Do you abide by the following verse...

"I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine." - 2 Timothy 4:1-2

Yes or No: Do you abide by the following verse...

"Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: Thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: But in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour." - Leviticus 19:15

Perhaps I did not explain myself very well here. Yes, the verse as you state refers to Paul and God's elect. My question now to you is "Who is God's elect"? Is Landover Baptist Church God's elect?

Simply living in Freehold Gated or attending Landover Baptist does not guarantee Salvation. God's Elect are those who follow all of God's laws and have complete faith in Him. Faith and Works.

There are numerous instances on this forum where you can find statements of people being banned to hell.

No one here has or can ban someone to Hell. That is absurd. No one here can damn anyone else to Hell. No one here would damn anyone to Hell if they could. Eternal torture in a lake of fire being burned alive, shackled to white hot irons that digs into your flesh, having your internal organs liquified, your eyes bursting, screaming in agony beyond belief... What kind of sickos do you think we are? Why would I wish that on my worst enemy?

Yes, the bible says the spiritual must judge, but also remember this (for with authority comes responsibility and accountability)The Bible tells us to judge righteously. What is righteous about judging and damning to hell the disabled without knowing their hearts?

When did I say that a person would be damned to hell because they are disabled? I don't care about "what you read somewhere". Please keep the conversation relevant to our discussion. You women are so absent minded.

Judgment must be made after diligent inquisition only, not just at face value, i.e. you are crippled, a harlot, a drug addict, damn ye to the depths of hell!

If God says he is going to damn....

Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8) and All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

... that's His business. But don't play ignorant and pretend that Jesus hasn't already laid out the actions that will result in Damnation. By your logic the bible leaves us completely in the dark when it comes to who God will and will not damn. But we both know that is not the case. There is no chance that the unrepentent serial rapists will enter Heaven. There is no chance that any unrepentent sodomite will enter Heaven. There is no chance that any unrepentent Mormon will enter Heaven.

We can judge those who sin against us, but we cannot judge those who sin against God our Father. Likewise, the Bible commands us to practice discernment when judging others *quotes taken out of context snipped*

The Judges were in fact judges, like the judges we have in our courts today. In a sense they were stewards during a time where Israel had no king. They settled diputes. They were not judging a person's faith or whether or not they were fully complicit with the Law; they judged cases brought before them just like the TV show "The People's Court". People went to them to settle their interpersonal disputes (i.e to settle grievances). Those verse are stating that, for instance, if a dirty, uppity, smelly, nappy headed nigra with a gross sense of entitlement walked in and claimed that a clean cut, fresh smelling, well mannered white man beat him up in a park and stole his wallet the judge shouldn't automatically assume the nigra is lying simply because statistically nigra are more prone to violence and lying than whites.

As I mentioned earlier you need to stop doing blind word searches for individual words in online Bible websites. It's obvious you simply entered the word "judge" and hit search. You need to sit down and actually read the Bible IN CONTEXT. All you are doing is displaying your ignorance. As you are a woman it is partly understandable... but to a limit. That is why decent women have husbands or fathers who can explain things to their simple minds.

I will stop there for now, but if you want more details, please let me know and I will be happy to enlighten you on the responsibilitues that come with judging others!

You will stop where the search results end.

You cannot enlighten me. You haven't even read the Bible. No ignoramous who needs to use a word search to find relevant verses can enlighten me, a biblical scholar.

No need to hold your breath, brother "Master of Godly Debating" - self proclaimed yet again!

I have proven my skills and have been recognized by the community as a master in the art of debate.

1 John 1:6-10
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

See Remy, we all live in sin / have sinned. To damn the sinner is not what Jesus would do. He knows that we have all sinned and if He did not die for ALL our sins, we would all be on a one way ticket to hell, me, you, Rev. Jim and Pastor Ezekiel and all the likes of such!

Once again you prove your ignorance and female stupidity. This is the second time you've kicked yourself in your own mouth!

"9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness".

So we are cleansed from ALL unrighteousness and yet we still are filthy sinners according to you??? That is utter idiocy, Satan's False Word.

Let's continue on in the book of 1 John, 1 John 3:1-10 to be precise:

"Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."

We have all sinned - PAST TENSE. Those who sin - PRESENT TENSE - are of the devil.

God Loves All of us... The rapist, the serial killer and everyone included!!! Praise God!!!

Lies!

"The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men. The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup." - Psalms 11:4-6

I call myself a Christian, because I am a Christian - it's really that simple. Carrying on telling me I am not a Christian is not going to change the fact that I am a Christian, so you are wasting your time and your breath with your feeble attampts to throw me off! I am not "addle brained" and being female does not make me inferior to the likes of you Remy!

How are you a Christian? By ignoring the Word of Christ? How absurd! Only a brainless twit of a woman would conceive a notion so twisted and absurd!

"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" - Luke 6:46

Men are bigger, stronger and have larger brains than women. Ergo, we are superior. This is undeniable fact. And you have done nothing but prove that to everyone reading this thread.

I NEVER said your love is greater than God's - that would be blasphemous and just plain impossible!! Yes, God loves ALL mankind, and him sending some to burn in hell for all eternity is certainly not what He wants. He wants all of us to turn to him and be washed off our sins and spend eternity at His feet, in heaven!! He weeps for every lost soul. But we have a choice. When we choose not to accept God in our hearts He does not rejoice and say oh well, burn in hell then. He weeps!

Wha-t! God purposely keeps people ignorant so that they will go to Hell because He hates them THAT MUCH!

"But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." - 2 Corinthians 4:3-4

"Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him." - John 12:39-41

"And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go." - Exodus 4:21

"For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly, and that they might have no favour, but that he might destroy them, as the LORD commanded Moses." - Joshua 11:20

"Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?" - Romans 9:18-21

I am neither ignorant nor mocking God's grace. You have yet to prove my beliefs wrong. It is all from the Bibile, so you can't!

Yes, I have proven your beliefs wrong and you know it. You have put your own foot in your mouth because of your biblical ignorance. You think you can quote a verse out of context, be shown that it is out of context, be shown a verse in context which contradicts you and still go about as if you never saw the Truth?

You are a joke. A very very very bad joke. I doubt Jesus is laughing.

[Dr. Warren Wierdsbe]

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You say you believe God and are a Christian yet you persist in perverting the plain sense of the verses you quote. Why is that?

Brother Remy,

I follow His word diligently. Just because I also follow His instructions on LOVE does not mean I ignore the rest. God is the only one who knows my heart, which is why it is a good thing that HE alone will be my judgment! Fair and just indeed!


Perhaps I did not explain myself very well here. Yes, the verse as you state refers to Paul and God's elect. My question now to you is "Who is God's elect"? Is Landover Baptist Church God's elect? And I am not talking about the self-proclaimed election of yourselves...

There are numerous instances on this forum where you can find statements of people being banned to hell. Equally, there are numerous instances where the Bible does command us to judge, as you stated below (you could also have quoted Lev 19:15). Yes, the bible says the spiritual must judge, but also remember this (for with authority comes responsibility and accountability):

>> The Bible tells us to judge righteously. What is righteous about judging and damning to hell the disabled without knowing their hearts?
>> Final judgment, i.e. the damnation to hell, lies with the Lord our Father alone!
>> Judgment must be made after diligent inquisition only, not just at face value, i.e. you are crippled, a harlot, a drug addict, damn ye to the depths of hell!
>> We can judge those who sin against us, but we cannot judge those who sin against God our Father.
>> Likewise, the Bible commands us to practice discernment when judging others.

Deuteronomy 1:15-17

15So I took the chief of your tribes, wise men, and known, and made them heads over you, captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, and captains over fifties, and captains over tens, and officers among your tribes.
16And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him. 17Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I will hear it.

John 7:24
24Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

1 Samuel 2:10

10The adversaries of the LORD shall be broken to pieces; out of heaven shall he thunder upon them: the LORD shall judge the ends of the earth; and he shall give strength unto his king, and exalt the horn of his anointed.

Psalm 7:8

8The LORD shall judge the people: judge me, O LORD, according to my righteousness, and according to mine integrity that is in me.

Psalm 50:6

6And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah.


Deuteronomy 19:18

18And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother;

1 Samuel 2:25

25If one man sin against another, the judge shall judge him: but if a man sin against the LORD, who shall intreat for him? Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto the voice of their father, because the LORD would slay them.

1 Kings 3:9

9Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may discern between good and bad: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people?

I will stop there for now, but if you want more details, please let me know and I will be happy to enlighten you on the responsibilitues that come with judging others!

If you are judging me, you are judging a child of God, not "unsaved trash". Not very righteous at all brother Remy!

What you have done above would be an excellent exposition if only you did not use it to try to negate everything it says. No one would debate with you the need for righteous judgment. Yet you would try to debate the need for True Christians™ to judge at all!

No need to hold your breath, brother "Master of Godly Debating" - self proclaimed yet again!

I might ask you here why you chose to change your name to the exact opposite of what you first posted with? Wait, you didn't do that? Well, neither did Brother Remy! All of our titles have been conferred to us by others. Mine was changed when I was elevated to the Endowed Chair of Biblical Languages at Landover Baptist University. I did not change it myself.

You know that sin is sin right? I have seen that everyone here beliefs this as well, one sin is as good as another, apart from the one unforgivable sin, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

1 John 1:6-10

6If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

See Remy, we all live in sin / have sinned. To damn the sinner is not what Jesus would do. He knows that we have all sinned and if He did not die for ALL our sins, we would all be on a one way ticket to hell, me, you, Rev. Jim and Pastor Ezekiel and all the likes of such!

This is the one that really chaps my hide. You have subverted the PLAIN MEANING of this beautiful passage of Scripture. To understand it properly, you MUST stop taking it out of context. I suggest you read the entire book instead of just the few verses you like.

The book of 1 John has a beautiful theme, that of "abiding in Christ." What that means is dependent not upon our desires, but the plain meaning of God's Word. Let's look at thematic elements from each remaining chapter and see if they shed light on what you have chosen to focus on.

1 John 2

3And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


24Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. 25And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
28And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
29If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

So this deals with God abiding in us, by which we keep His commandments. If He abides in us and we in Him, this is shown by the fact that we keep them.

Chapter 3 puts it all in context as it talks about abiding in Christ:

1 John 3 (AV1611 King James Bible)

1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

So if one is truly born of God, he/she does not commit sin, he/she cannot sin, because he is born of God!

22And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Again with the inconvenient keeping of the commandments, which is the proof that God abides in us!
1 John 4

6We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
7Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
8He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Now this last verse is the one possibly most taken out of context in the entire Bible. How many times have you personally said, "God is Love" as if that were all the verse said, and as if it were intended to define God? That is NOT the meaning of that verse, chapter, or book! This book deals with God abiding in US (meaning True Christians™ in whom He dwells, could God dwell in unrighteousness, of course not!), not God loving the whole world.

9In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
10Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
11Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another

Again, this is talking about whom? About US, and about WE, True Christians™ who are known as True Christians™ because we abide in Him (cannot and do not sin).

1 John 5

1Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Shall we go on?

Sin = Sin. God died for ALL our sins = God Loves All of us... The rapist, the serial killer and everyone included!!! Praise God!!!

You can make all the syllogisms you wish, but this one is not borne out in Scripture. You cannot be a True Christian™ without abiding in Him, and the Bible does NOT say God died for everyone. That's another thread entirely which I would encourage you to pursue.

I call myself a Christian, because I am a Christian - it's really that simple. Carrying on telling me I am not a Christian is not going to change the fact that I am a Christian, so you are wasting your time and your breath with your feeble attampts to throw me off! I am not "addle brained" and being female does not make me inferior to the likes of you Remy!

Well I don't really care about your gender or anything, but I believe you think you are a Christian because you call yourself a Christian, not the other way around.

I NEVER said your love is greater than God's - that would be blasphemous and just plain impossible!! Yes, God loves ALL mankind, and him sending some to burn in hell for all eternity is certainly not what He wants. He wants all of us to turn to him and be washed off our sins and spend eternity at His feet, in heaven!! He weeps for every lost soul. But we have a choice. When we choose not to accept God in our hearts He does not rejoice and say oh well, burn in hell then. He weeps!

How can an omnipotent God limit His power? If it were His Will that all souls should come to Him, then all souls would come to Him. That is the definition of omnipotence. Who said God weeps? Jesus certainly wept while he was on earth, as a man. But where in the BIBLE does God weep?

You may as well say that God enjoys a good roast beef, with mashed potatoes and gravy, but no broccoli (because it gives Him gas), washed down with a nice Cabernet. It is nonsense because God is not a man to have emotions and feelings.

I am not damned to hell, and I am not a false Christian. I live in god's word and His word in me. I am beginning to sound like a record player stuck on one track here... I LOVE GOD and live for Him and him alone and I have a relationship with God my father and I am happy to stand in front of Him on that day we are all judged and hear Him say, welcome to my Kingdom, my friend!

I am neither ignorant nor mocking God's grace. You have yet to prove my beliefs wrong. It is all from the Bibile, so you can't!

In short, this is just you throwing accusations around. Again, accusations do not equate truth, no matter how much you want it to!!

God bless you brother Remy!

You may not be damned to Hell, and you may not be a false Christian. Yet you have not shown that His Word abides in you, nor you in it. Is it possible that you are truly one of His elect but simply misled by your church? Certainly. But if you abided in Him, His truth would resonate in you as it is laid out to you. I hope to see you open your mind and heart. So far I have my doubts.

[satan's False Word]

Re: A couple things

Brother Remy,

I follow His word diligently. Just because I also follow His instructions on LOVE does not mean I ignore the rest. God is the only one who knows my heart, which is why it is a good thing that HE alone will be my judgment! Fair and just indeed!


Perhaps I did not explain myself very well here. Yes, the verse as you state refers to Paul and God's elect. My question now to you is "Who is God's elect"? Is Landover Baptist Church God's elect? And I am not talking about the self-proclaimed election of yourselves...

There are numerous instances on this forum where you can find statements of people being banned to hell. Equally, there are numerous instances where the Bible does command us to judge, as you stated below (you could also have quoted Lev 19:15). Yes, the bible says the spiritual must judge, but also remember this (for with authority comes responsibility and accountability):

>> The Bible tells us to judge righteously. What is righteous about judging and damning to hell the disabled without knowing their hearts?
>> Final judgment, i.e. the damnation to hell, lies with the Lord our Father alone!
>> Judgment must be made after diligent inquisition only, not just at face value, i.e. you are crippled, a harlot, a drug addict, damn ye to the depths of hell!
>> We can judge those who sin against us, but we cannot judge those who sin against God our Father.
>> Likewise, the Bible commands us to practice discernment when judging others.

Deuteronomy 1:15-17

15So I took the chief of your tribes, wise men, and known, and made them heads over you, captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, and captains over fifties, and captains over tens, and officers among your tribes.
16And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him. 17Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I will hear it.

John 7:24
24Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

1 Samuel 2:10

10The adversaries of the LORD shall be broken to pieces; out of heaven shall he thunder upon them: the LORD shall judge the ends of the earth; and he shall give strength unto his king, and exalt the horn of his anointed.

Psalm 7:8

8The LORD shall judge the people: judge me, O LORD, according to my righteousness, and according to mine integrity that is in me.

Psalm 50:6

6And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah.


Deuteronomy 19:18

18And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother;

1 Samuel 2:25

25If one man sin against another, the judge shall judge him: but if a man sin against the LORD, who shall intreat for him? Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto the voice of their father, because the LORD would slay them.

1 Kings 3:9

9Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may discern between good and bad: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people?

I will stop there for now, but if you want more details, please let me know and I will be happy to enlighten you on the responsibilitues that come with judging others!

If you are judging me, you are judging a child of God, not "unsaved trash". Not very righteous at all brother Remy!

No need to hold your breath, brother "Master of Godly Debating" - self proclaimed yet again!
You know that sin is sin right? I have seen that everyone here beliefs this as well, one sin is as good as another, apart from the one unforgivable sin, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

1 John 1:6-10

6If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

See Remy, we all live in sin / have sinned. To damn the sinner is not what Jesus would do. He knows that we have all sinned and if He did not die for ALL our sins, we would all be on a one way ticket to hell, me, you, Rev. Jim and Pastor Ezekiel and all the likes of such!
Sin = Sin. God died for ALL our sins = God Loves All of us... The rapist, the serial killer and everyone included!!! Praise God!!!

I call myself a Christian, because I am a Christian - it's really that simple. Carrying on telling me I am not a Christian is not going to change the fact that I am a Christian, so you are wasting your time and your breath with your feeble attampts to throw me off! I am not "addle brained" and being female does not make me inferior to the likes of you Remy!

I NEVER said your love is greater than God's - that would be blasphemous and just plain impossible!! Yes, God loves ALL mankind, and him sending some to burn in hell for all eternity is certainly not what He wants. He wants all of us to turn to him and be washed off our sins and spend eternity at His feet, in heaven!! He weeps for every lost soul. But we have a choice. When we choose not to accept God in our hearts He does not rejoice and say oh well, burn in hell then. He weeps!

I am not damned to hell, and I am not a false Christian. I live in god's word and His word in me. I am beginning to sound like a record player stuck on one track here... I LOVE GOD and live for Him and him alone and I have a relationship with God my father and I am happy to stand in front of Him on that day we are all judged and hear Him say, welcome to my Kingdom, my friend!

I am neither ignorant nor mocking God's grace. You have yet to prove my beliefs wrong. It is all from the Bibile, so you can't!

In short, this is just you throwing accusations around. Again, accusations do not equate truth, no matter how much you want it to!!

God bless you brother Remy!

[Dr. Warren Wierdsbe]

Re: A couple things

No need to be sorry - I am always keen to discuss God's word and learn more about His word!!



Your statement on this being directed at God's elect is based on your certainty that YOU (Landover Baptist Church) are God's elect and even more so that as God's elect YOU have the power on saying who is God's elect and who is not! This is false in itself. Even if you were God's elect you would not have the power or authority to say who is God's elect and who isn't. For example, you calling me a false Christian is putting judgement on a child of God. Hardly examplory, don't you think! (P.S - nice touch on changing my name...)

The argument on who is God's elect is an argument all on it's own and worthy of it's own thread at the very least!

Funny you should mention that:
"How Can I Be Saved," by Dr. Warren Wierdsbe

In Christ
Warren

[Remy Lebeau]

Re: A couple things

No need to be sorry - I am always keen to discuss God's word and learn more about His word!!

Sadly, you refuse to FOLLOW His Word.

Your statement on this being directed at God's elect is based on your certainty that YOU (Landover Baptist Church) are God's elect and even more so that as God's elect YOU have the power on saying who is God's elect and who is not!

No, my statement is based on the fact that Paul says so in the verses I quoted. Rather or not I am one of God's Elect is irrelevant. Please, stop trying to change the subject to the people doing the reading instead of that which is being read. It wouldn't matter if an atheist was reading those verse, they say one thing and one thing only.

This is false in itself. Even if you were God's elect you would not have the power or authority to say who is God's elect and who isn't.

Again, you keep trying to personalize the situation into a malleable subjective topic. The Bible makes it clear who is and is not God's Elect. No individual, with their personal subjective opinions is saying who is or is not God's Elect. God is. I'm only informing you on what God says. If you have an issue with anything I say take it up with Jesus.

For example, you calling me a false Christian is putting judgement on a child of God. Hardly examplory, don't you think! (P.S - nice touch on changing my name...)

I am commanded to judge unsaved trash such as yourself.


"But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man." - 1 Corinthians 2:15

"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." - John 7:24

You perpetually demonstrate your utter lack of biblical knowledge. I understand that you are a woman and therefore lacking in common sense and intellect, but surely you are aware of what you have and haven't read (i.e the Bible)? How can you, a person who has never read the Bible, dare to contend with me, a biblical scholar, on the issues of Christian faith? The nerve of you.

And I did not change your name. I am not an administrator. I can't even change my own name.

Only God will Judge us, and as we are all created to His image, we are all His elect and will be judged based on our personal relationship with God, not our relationship with LBC.

Scripture please. Show me where it is said that everyone from your baby rapists, to your serial killers, to your sodomites, to your theives and atheists are all God's Elect. I won't hold my breath.

Again, I understand that you are merely an addle brained woman, but clearly your beliefs do not coincide with the Bible. That being the case, you aren't a christian. It's that simply. You simply make up an ideology that suits your personal preference and call it "christianity".

My question to you is: Why do you bother to call yourself a Christian when you clearly do not believe in the Bible? Why not just call yourself free thinker, humanist, universalist or whatever else people who make up their own beliefs call themselves?

Again, you are going on the assumption that you are allowed to condemn the sinner.

As has been proven above; I assume nothing. It's in the Bible. Next subject!

What's more is that you condemn the mentally challanged, the crippled and all people of ethnic background different from your own!

No I didn't. Now you are just making things up... again.

My argument is not only that God loves everyone, but also that God commands US to love one another (and all men) - so well done on picking that one up!!

You have no argument. You just run around making claims without any evidence whatsoever. That's not an argument. That's a statement.

God tells us to love everyone. God doesn't say He loves everyone. I challenge you to find a single verse that says God loves everybody (and yet sends then to Hell to be burned alive forever - FOREVER... because He loves them, right? ) I wouldn't send anyone to Hell if it was up to me. Are you saying my love is greater than God's? You can look at all the people who doesn't seem to care for in Pastor Zeke's signature.

You live word to word by the KJV and clearly you know the KJV. You even say the above quote, yet where have you shown love to "unsaved trash", which you label as that, by the way!?

If I hated you I'd sit back and let you run head first into Hell. Because I love you I am trying to help you. It rips my heart apart to see you ignoring the Word of God and damning yourself. What loving person would just sit back complacently while you damn yourself to ETERNAL TORTURE????

You seem to be very sure that I am a false Christian and that I know nothing about the Bible. Let me repeat myself in perhaps a more clear manner - Just because you and LBC name me a false Christian and say that I know nothing about the bible, does not make it true!

You disobey the Bible so either

A.) You are ignorant

OR

B.) You know very well that you are making false statments and are here to mock us. (and should be banned immediately)

Which is it?

Thank you for taking the time and putting in the effort to debate with me about our Mighty Heavenly Father!!!

This isn't a debate. A debate is a two-sided match. This is just me informing you about His Word and you ignoring His Word.

[satan's False Word]

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The problem with false christians like you is that you pull scripture out of context and attempt to bend it to your whims. Sorry, but I am going to have to set you straight.

No need to be sorry - I am always keen to discuss God's word and learn more about His word!!

Why don't you take that verse in context. That verse is Paul speaking from the perspective of one of God's Elect. As we here at Landover Baptist are likewise God's Elect, I can also say:

"Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long(seee Matthew 5:10-12); we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." - Romans 8:33-39

This says that nothing can come come between God's love and His Elect, not that God loves everyone.

Your statement on this being directed at God's elect is based on your certainty that YOU (Landover Baptist Church) are God's elect and even more so that as God's elect YOU have the power on saying who is God's elect and who is not! This is false in itself. Even if you were God's elect you would not have the power or authority to say who is God's elect and who isn't. For example, you calling me a false Christian is putting judgement on a child of God. Hardly examplory, don't you think! (P.S - nice touch on changing my name...)

The argument on who is God's elect is an argument all on it's own and worthy of it's own thread at the very least!

No member from Landover Baptist Church will be sitting near God our Father on that Judgement day saying yeah or neigh. Only God will Judge us, and as we are all created to His image, we are all His elect and will be judged based on our personal relationship with God, not our relationship with LBC.

When have we ever said that we do not love the pitiful uncleaned sinfilled massed who dot the globe? However, you're wrong in your assertion that this verse tells us to love unsaved trash such as yourself. "love one another" refers to other believers, not unbeliever like yourself.

"My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment." - 1 John 3:18-23

As you can clearly see and read, these verses refer to those who "do those things that are pleasing in His sight". We all know what He does to those who don't uphold righteousness (Matthew 13:40-42) and it is definitely not loving.

Again, you are going on the assumption that you are allowed to condemn the sinner. Not only are you saying these sinners will go to hell (which they will if they do not repent and find God in their hearts), but also you are condemning them now, before their life on earth is over. Who are you to know that the rapist won't repent his sins. Is repentence beyond the rapist? I think not! God can work in any man's heart and confict him of his sins - He is THAT good!!!

What's more is that you condemn the mentally challanged, the crippled and all people of ethnic background different from your own! My argument is not only that God loves everyone, but also that God commands US to love one another (and all men) - so well done on picking that one up!!

"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you" - Matthew 5:44

The above is the verse you should have used. But even this verse does not specify that GOD loves everyone.

Excellent - thanks. I should have inserted that quote in my rebuttal, I agree. And again, my argument is two fold - God loves us all (as we all have the ability to turn to Him = elect) and God commands us to love one another.

Like the previous verse you quoted, these verses do not say that God loves everyone. They call for US to love unsaved trash. Incidentally, 1 Thessalonians 3:12 differenciates between "one another" and the rest, "all men". It invalidates your initial "interpretation" of 1 John 3:23 you quoted above.

You live word to word by the KJV and clearly you know the KJV. You even say the above quote, yet where have you shown love to "unsaved trash", which you label as that, by the way!?
Nice try on discrediting my statement, but "one another" refers to those closest to them, and "all men" refers to exactly that - ALL MEN!

You haven't studied God's Word so what would you know about who He Loves or Hates? Once again, you have not produced anything stating that God loves everyone (i.e to include unrepentent rapist, serial killers, thieves, homosexuals, those who practice bestiality, atheists, fornicators, pagans, etc.). Next time read the Bible instead of doing a blind google search for occurences of the word "love" in the Bible.

Again with the assumptions. You seem to be very sure that I am a false Christian and that I know nothing about the Bible. Let me repeat myself in perhaps a more clear manner - Just because you and LBC name me a false Christian and say that I know nothing about the bible, does not make it true!

Thank you for taking the time and putting in the effort to debate with me about our Mighty Heavenly Father!!!

[Remy Lebeau]

Re: A couple things

The problem with false christians like you is that you pull scripture out of context and attempt to bend it to your whims. Sorry, but I am going to have to set you straight.

Rev. Jim, I see you have asked for scripture of where God says that He loves all people (black, mentally challanged and all the heathens outside of Landover's gates). I am happy to indulge you with these.

Romans 8:38-39
38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Why don't you take that verse in context. That verse is Paul speaking from the perspective of one of God's Elect. As we here at Landover Baptist are likewise God's Elect, I can also say:

"Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long(seee Matthew 5:10-12); we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." - Romans 8:33-39

This says that nothing can come come between God's love and His Elect, not that God loves everyone.

1 John 3:23 (You might want to spend some over-time lulling on this one, seeing as it commands us, word for word, to love one another, not only to love your white, healthy neighbor in Landover.)
23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

When have we ever said that we do not love the pitiful uncleaned sinfilled massed who dot the globe? However, you're wrong in your assertion that this verse tells us to love unsaved trash such as yourself. "love one another" refers to other believers, not unbeliever like yourself.

"My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment." - 1 John 3:18-23

As you can clearly see and read, these verses refer to those who "do those things that are pleasing in His sight". We all know what He does to those who don't uphold righteousness (Matthew 13:40-42) and it is definitely not loving.

"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you" - Matthew 5:44

The above is the verse you should have used. But even this verse does not specify that GOD loves everyone.

1 Thessalonians 3:12
12And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you:

1 Peter 2:15-17
15For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

16As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God. 17Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

Like the previous verse you quoted, these verses do not say that God loves everyone. They call for US to love unsaved trash. Incidentally, 1 Thessalonians 3:12 differenciates between "one another" and the rest, "all men". It invalidates your initial "interpretation" of 1 John 3:23 you quoted above.

I am sure if you do a study on who God loves, as apposed to who He hates, you will find that he loves all of His creation.

You haven't studied God's Word so what would you know about who He Loves or Hates? Once again, you have not produced anything stating that God loves everyone (i.e to include unrepentent rapist, serial killers, thieves, homosexuals, those who practice bestiality, atheists, fornicators, pagans, etc.). Next time read the Bible instead of doing a blind google search for occurences of the word "love" in the Bible.

[HelpMePrayBetter]

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It's just hard for a man like me to understand why all the long debates keep going on.

Good, devout, educated men like Pastor Ezekiel tell us what the Bible says. We then DO what the Bible says. Pastor = tell. Flock = do.

If I was good, devout, and educated enough to understand the Bible myself, then MY name would be Pastor. It ain't. His is.

I tried understanding the Bible on my own for thirty years, but the Lord saw fit just to lead me to better, wiser men who already understand it. That's why I'm here.

Pastor Ezekiel, I know that you care for the souls of these proud and ignorant folk and want to save them, too. You're a good man for that. Me, I just want to follow the directions laid down in God's Love Letters and get on to the purifying and cleansing.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: A couple things

You'll have to look up the meaning of ALL in a dictionary to have a better understanding of His great love!
Where in the KJV does it say that God loves All of mankind, except the mentally disabled. And I am not referring to the scriptures you so often refer to on who God hates. We are focussing on LOVE here, not HATE!!

God does not love the unsaved and the unrepentant. If God loved everyone, what use would He have for hell?

What are you, a Lutheran or something? I suppose you think queer pastors are just fine and dandy.

[satan's False Word]

Re: A couple things

Where does it say that God loves retards?

You'll have to look up the meaning of ALL in a dictionary to have a better understanding of His great love!
Where in the KJV does it say that God loves All of mankind, except the mentally disabled. And I am not referring to the scriptures you so often refer to on who God hates. We are focussing on LOVE here, not HATE!!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: A couple things

Rev. Jim, I see you have asked for scripture of where God says that He loves all people (black, mentally challanged and all the heathens outside of Landover's gates). I am happy to indulge you with these.

Romans 8:38-39
38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

1 John 3:23 (You might want to spend some over-time lulling on this one, seeing as it commands us, word for word, to love one another, not only to love your white, healthy neighbor in Landover.)
23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1 Thessalonians 3:12
12And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you:

1 Peter 2:15-17
15For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

16As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God. 17Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

I am sure if you do a study on who God loves, as apposed to who He hates, you will find that he loves all of His creation.

Where does it say that God loves retards?

[satan's False Word]

Re: A couple things

Where is your Scripture to support that? Wait, why even bother asking you. The Bible makes it perfectly clear what we should and should not do. We follow the Bible 100%, to the T. Therefore, it stands to reason, we are True Christians™. Anyone else is just picking and choosing which parts to believe.

Rev. Jim, I see you have asked for scripture of where God says that He loves all people (black, mentally challanged and all the heathens outside of Landover's gates). I am happy to indulge you with these.

Romans 8:38-39
38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

1 John 3:23 (You might want to spend some over-time lulling on this one, seeing as it commands us, word for word, to love one another, not only to love your white, healthy neighbor in Landover.)
23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1 Thessalonians 3:12
12And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you:

1 Peter 2:15-17
15For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

16As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God. 17Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

I am sure if you do a study on who God loves, as apposed to who He hates, you will find that he loves all of His creation.