[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

I can't find anywhere in the Bible that it says Black Africans are intended to be the servants of white people.

Well, HERE you go.

[davidbrainfart]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

Perhaps you would like to post Matthew's geanealogy?

1The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

2Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; 3And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram; 4And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon; 5And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse; 6And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias; 7And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa; 8And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias; 9And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias; 10And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias; 11And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:

12And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel; 13And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor; 14And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud; 15And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; 16And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

17So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.?

I note that this geneology goes from Adam to Joseph. It does not identify Joseph as the father of Jesus, so strictly speaking there is only one generation of geneology for Jesus: from Mary to Jesus.

[davidbrainfart]

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I can't find anywhere in the Bible that it says Black Africans are intended to be the servants of white people.

Well, HERE you go.

Genesis 9:24-27
And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

Is that the best you can do? I have already pointed out that there is nothing in this Bible passage about Black Africans and white people's alleged right to kidnap and enslave them. That white supremacist interpretation was added during the era of slavery but it originated with the Muslims:

The Origins of the Curse of Ham - Parablemanparablemania.ektopos.com/archives/2008/04/origin-curse-ham.htmlCached - Similar

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

The Origins of the Curse of Ham - Parablemanparablemania.ektopos.com/archives/2008/04/origin-curse-ham.htmlCached - Similar

Wow! You can cite stuff some opinionated person made up about what he thought the Bible meant as fact.

Now try looking at the Bible and the countless times God commands us to take possession of lesser races as slaves. Canaan is a race - Ham was the forefather of that race. Canaanites. Make the connection?

[MitzaLizalor]

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1The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

2Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; 3And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram; 4And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon; 5And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse; 6And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias; 7And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa; 8And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias; 9And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias; 10And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias; 11And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:

12And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel; 13And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor; 14And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud; 15And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; 16And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

17So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

I note that this geneology goes from Adam to Joseph. It does not identify Joseph as the father of Jesus, so strictly speaking there is only one generation of geneology for Jesus: from Mary to Jesus.

There must be something wrong with my eyes - could you hilite the bit about Adam for me please?

[davidbrainfart]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

1The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
2Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;
. . .
17So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

There must be something wrong with my eyes - could you hilite the bit about Adam for me please?

A gotcha within a gotcha. Good for you. It helps keep me humble.

The essential point still stands, the geneologies agree from Abraham to David and since the geneology prior to Abraham is unspecified in Matthew, there is no contradiction there, but the geneologies do diverge after King David. There are many ways to account for this including my own: they just made it up.

I never claimed to be perfect. I rely on science for many of my answers and science does not claim perfection either, but the scientific method has safeguards built in to minimize error. A scientific theory is not just a wild guess without evidence. A hypothesis does not qualify as a theory until there is a mountain of evidence to support it, as there is for example with the theory of evolution.

Isaac Newton was a brilliant man. His theories held until Einstein proved them wrong, but they were still a good approximation for objects larger than atoms travelling slower than the speed of light. There are no safeguards built into the Bible to ensure its continued accuracy.

Science may not have all the answers but it has plenty of the right questions and the answers it derives become better and better approximations to the truth.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

Only God can provide PERFECT answers!

[Thomas Dalton]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

A gotcha within a gotcha. Good for you. It helps keep me humble.

The essential point still stands, the geneologies agree from Abraham to David and since the geneology prior to Abraham is unspecified in Matthew, there is no contradiction there, but the geneologies do diverge after King David. There are many ways to account for this including my own: they just made it up.

I never claimed to be perfect. I rely on science for many of my answers and science does not claim perfection either, but the scientific method has safeguards built in to minimize error. A scientific theory is not just a wild guess without evidence. A hypothesis does not qualify as a theory until there is a mountain of evidence to support it, as there is for example with the theory of evolution.

Isaac Newton was a brilliant man. His theories held until Einstein proved them wrong, but they were still a good approximation for objects larger than atoms travelling slower than the speed of light. There are no safeguards built into the Bible to ensure its continued accuracy.

Science may not have all the answers but it has plenty of the right questions and the answers it derives become better and better approximations to the truth.

And yet Scientist Satan Worshippers would also gladly sent you to Hell, if they believed in it. Copying arguments without even reading the facts it is based on is not only wrong, it's plain retarded. At least we read your arguments and all the links to Scientific papers which prove gravity, evilution, etc. etc. (which you have yet to do, hint, hint) and tear them apart with facts of our own.

At least everyone here joined the camp of Jesus of their own accord, and aren't copying and pasting arguments. Parrot.

[Sumleegai]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

Mathew 7:15-20
“Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep but are really vicious wolves. 16 You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 A good tree produces good fruit, and a bad tree produces bad fruit. 18 A good tree can’t produce bad fruit, and a bad tree can’t produce good fruit. 19 So every tree that does not produce good fruit is chopped down and thrown into the fire. 20 Yes, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit, so you can identify people by their actions.

1 Peter 3:15 (NKJV) "SANCTIFY the LORD GOD in your HEARTS, & ALWAYS be READY to give a DEFENSE to EVERYONE who asks you a REASON for the HOPE that is in you, with MEAKNESS & FEAR."
"...with MEAKNESS & FEAR." Not INSULT & RIDICULE!

1 John 4:1-6 (NKJV) "Beloved, do NOT Believe EVERY spirit (those CLAIMING to SPEAK BY THE SPIRIT), but TEST the SPIRITS, whether they are of God; because MANY FALSE PROPHETS have gone out into the World. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does NOT confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God (i.e. the True Gospel). And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. They are of the world. Therefore THEY SPEAK speak as of the WORLD, and the WORLD HEARS THEM. We are of God. He who KNOWS God HEARS US; he who is NOT of GOD does NOT HEAR US. By THIS we know the SPIRIT of TRUTH and the SPIRIT of ERROR."


Matt 7:21-23 Jesus warns, "Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the WILL OF MY FATHER in Heaven will enter. On Judgment Day MANY will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We PROPHESIED IN YOUR NAME and Cast out demons in your Name and Performed many Miracles in your Name.’ But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who BREAK GOD'S LAWS."

Coming from a Bible believing, Non-denominational Christian man; you folks at LBC are just as wacko as the people you damn!
I thank God the Father that Jesus didn't preach like you folks or I would have NEVER become a Christian!

To the atheists and non-believers of Christ....I apologize for the sick and twisted views of these people. God have mercy on them for misguiding the very people Jesus came to save!

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.


For God so loved - This does not mean that God approved the conduct of men, but that he had benevolent feelings toward them, or was "earnestly desirous" of their happiness. God hates wickedness, but he still desires the Happiness of those who are sinful. "He hates the sin, but loves the sinner." A parent may love his child and desire his welfare, and yet be strongly opposed to the conduct of that child. When we approve the conduct of another, this is the love of complacency; when we desire simply their happiness, this is the love of benevolence.


The world - All mankind. It does not mean any particular part of the world, but man as man - the race that had rebelled and that deserved to die. See John 6:33; John 17:21. His love for the world, or for all mankind, in giving his Son, was shown by these circumstances:
1. All the world was in ruin, and exposed to the wrath of God.
2. All people were in a hopeless condition.
3. God gave his Son. Man had no claim on him; it was a gift - an undeserved gift.
4. He gave him up to extreme sufferings, even the bitter pains of death on the cross.
5. It was for all the world. He tasted "death for every man," Hebrews 2:9. He "died for all," 2 Corinthians 5:15. "He is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world," 1 John 2:2.


That he gave - It was a free and unmerited gift. Man had no claim: and when there was no eye to pity or arm to save, it pleased God to give his Son into the hands of men to die in their stead, Galatians 1:4; Romans 8:32; Luke 22:19. It was the mere movement of love; the expression of eternal compassion, and of a desire, that sinners should not perish forever.


His only-begotten Son - This is the highest expression of love of which we can conceive. A parent who should give up his only son to die for others who are guilty if this could or might be done - would show higher love than could be manifested in any other way. So it shows the depth of the love of God, that he was willing. to give his only Son into the hands of sinful men that he might be slain, and thus redeem them from eternal sorrow.

[Thomas Dalton]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

Well, I think the Atheists will rather believe someone who actually read the Bible about its contents than illiterate Satan-worshipers like you.

What don't you understand about this?

If you are retarded and missed the giant "please read this before posting" I apologize. And then I would ask your supervisors to not let you go on the internet again.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Coming from a Bible believing, Non-denominational Christian man; you folks at LBC are just as wacko as the people you damn!
I thank God the Father that Jesus didn't preach like you folks or I would have NEVER become a Christian!

What makes you think you are a Christian now? You come in here, a forum dedicated to praising His Glorious Name, and you spew such hate-filled garbage against True Christians™. You try to confuse people into thinking Jesus loves and wants everyone when He Himself said:

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (Matthew 10:34)

To the atheists and non-believers of Christ....I apologize for the sick and twisted views of these people. God have mercy on them for misguiding the very people Jesus came to save!

Don't apologize for us. True ChristianS™ are secure in our salvation:

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. (Romans 8:14-17)

Our desire is to praise God for this privilege of becoming joint-heirs with Christ. We can't help it that people like you refuse to love God and instead love your own imagination of what you think a good God might be. Yours is not a good God but a wimpy God. A God that can form all of creation from nothing isn't a wimp and He isn't nicey-nicey like you want to think. He is both good and severe:

Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God. (Romans 11:22)

We won't sugar-coat the LORD here, even if you would like that. Time to grow up, son, and face the LORD on His terms, not yours.

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. (Romans 8:30)

"He hates the sin, but loves the sinner."

Can you share in what chapter and verse you find this in the Bible? Oh, and for the sake of accuracy, we use the KJV1611 here. You can find it on biblegateway if you don't have a well-worn leather copy in your home.

Thanks but no thanks for the little pulpit preaching there. We have very Godly True Christian™ pastors here that have been called individually and personally to preach God's Holy Word and we don't need the likes of you confusing people here by trying to sneak in some pansy love-fest 60's hippie Jesus wanna-be theology.

[Rejdarn]

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Atheists are nothing but a bunch of self styled intellectuals with beards who sit around the internet look at porn and mock Christians all day. In other words complete losers so why would anyone want to be one?

Let's be adults here; there is only one source of "cool" here and that is Jesus. Do you want to be Jesus going old testament on the money changers in the Temple or do want to be Richard Dawkins and write books no one reads? The choice is clear; Jesus, He kicks ass.

I there, i might be an atheist, but i dont watch porn and mock christians.
please explain why you do that yourself? I've seen plenty of religious people here trying to prove atheists wrong.
I got really offended when you said so.
What i really get angry about is when christians tries to prove atheism wrong, when they use 0% of their brain.
It mocks me seeing that you are trying to prove something you underestimated, making you think you dont have to think at all, to be able to "defeat" atheism

[Didymus Much]

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I there, i might be an atheist, but i dont watch porn and mock christians.
please explain why you do that yourself?...

Are you saying Bobby-Joe watches porn and mocks Christians?

[davidbrainfart]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

Only God can provide PERFECT answers!

Then why does he tell us that Pi=3 and the world is flat? And if white people are allowed to kidnap and enslave black Africans, why doesn't he just say so?

On what evidence do you claim that this entity even exists, much less that he has PERFECT answers, no less?

[davidbrainfart]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

I have already pointed out that there is nothing in this Bible passage [about drunken Noah] about Black Africans and white people's alleged right to kidnap and enslave them. That white supremacist interpretation was added during the era of slavery but it originated with the Muslims:

The Origins of the Curse of Ham - Parablemanparablemania.ektopos.com/archives/2008/04/origin-curse-ham.htmlCached

Wow! You can cite stuff some opinionated person made up about what he thought the Bible meant as fact.

Aren't you an opinionated person, and isn't that precisely what you are doing?

Now try looking at the Bible and the countless times God commands us to take possession of lesser races as slaves. Canaan is a race - Ham was the forefather of that race. Canaanites. Make the connection?

Cite chapter and verse where God allows white people to capture and enslave black people (or Ethiopians).

Canaan was one of the sons of Ham, allegedly not the one modern Africans are descended from. Where does the Bible specify his color? There is plenty of prejudice in the Bible but racism--prejudice based on broad racial categories is a modern invention.

If the Bible actually gave Europeans permission to kidnap black Africans and make them toil as slaves in foreign lands, I could understand people who claim to take the Bible literally endorsing this evil white supremacy.

Being a disbeliever myself, I see that the whole story of Noah is absurd. The notion that everyone alive today descended from that one family and that all species of land animals descended from one pair each, invariably fertile, is not one that anyone would believe possible if it did not appear in the Bible.

Even if the Bible said what you say it says, I would still be opposed to racism. But if you believe the Bible literally you should see that you have to look elswhere to justify your bigotry. You may enjoy racism but it is not good for you, it is not good for your victims, and it is morally wrong.

I'm enjoying my new Avatar. There is something noble about being declared a "nigger" on a board devoted to ignorance and bigotry. I feel bad, however for any actual black people who may be reading these posts, since you True Christians have indulged two racist streotypes against them. And yes, I do like watermelon, but I rarely steal television sets.