[Serenity-Millennium]

Re: The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!

I'm sorry. I just though that you got me wrong on some point, because you seemed so unfriendly in your last posts. That's why I thought something was wrong. I'm sorry for my harsh tone in my last post, sometimes my emotions get the better of me. I really think you are a good person, and I don't want to hurt your feelings in any way.

I love you, sister!

Then I misunderstood you. I'm sorry. It's just that I've learned to be wary of Bible verses. I don't believe that Jesus or God ever existed, so I don't care very much about the stories about them.

It's alright, Jesus still loves you!

You called my religion ridiculous, Serenity.

I never said your religion is ridiculous. I said I respect all beliefs, even if they sounded ridiculous to me. All religions are right.

Fur me

Fur is murder! And I don't have enough money to buy you one.

Then why is the bible filled with texts like this:

John 5:26-29:
For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Damnation is temporary. Jesus loves everyone.

It is clear Jesus judges people here. I don't think that's a bad thing, as I myself believe the judgment of the Mother Goddess decides whether a person is reincarnated or enters the Otherworld. As long as the judgment is righteous, I don't care.

Judge not!

How can you possibly say such a thing, Serenity? Aren't you judging me right now?

Perhaps I am, I have to pray

Anyway, I don't believe in Jesus, and I am glad I don't.
Being nice and accepting does not mean accepting whatever people tell you. If you would do that, you would just be a computer, ready to be programmed by whatever person happens to walk by.
And let me tell you, I know a lot of love and joy since I was induced into The Craft. It's so great to be guided by the Wisdom of the Mother Goddess!

Amen. And I agree you can call God mother, after all, God is both a man and a woman.

Did you really tell that to those people?

No, I didn't. I never met them. If I did, of course I would tell them that. I have a duty to spread the Good News.

Okay, I'll keep that in mind. I hope you stick along for a while on these forums, it's great to talk with you!

I'll try, but these adorable Landoverians tend to get angry at me every once in a while for reasons I don't understand. God bless them.

[James Hutchins]

Re: The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!

Missy, I am your elder and as such, deserve some modicum of respect. You may call me Mr. Hutchins.

[Miss Cassandra]

Re: The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!

Oh, you shouldn't be so harsh with him. He'll learn the truth someday, when we're all singing kumbya in the great campground in the sky

You are right, Serenity. My impulsive nature again. I know him personally, and he actually is a really nice guy, but when his christianity plays up, he keeps annoying me.

I must say, the thought of Jimmy, you and me singing kumbya together at a campfire in heaven makes me laugh out loud. It would be nice if it were possible, of course...

Who is 'Jamie'? Are you drinking that wiccan wine again? Last time you tipped a bit much you were found running naked in streets playing with the speed bumps.

1. Wearing a dress that shows your knees sometimes when you walk doesn't count as "naked" in any part of the world outside of Freehold.
2. I'm sorry, I forgot that you preferred "Jimmy."

[Miss Cassandra]

Re: The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!

That's not very nice

I'm sorry. I just though that you got me wrong on some point, because you seemed so unfriendly in your last posts. That's why I thought something was wrong. I'm sorry for my harsh tone in my last post, sometimes my emotions get the better of me. I really think you are a good person, and I don't want to hurt your feelings in any way.

You completely misunderstand me. I'm not trying to convert you at all. Why should I? You will be saved anyway. I was merely explaining why I believe what I do.

Then I misunderstood you. I'm sorry. It's just that I've learned to be wary of Bible verses. I don't believe that Jesus or God ever existed, so I don't care very much about the stories about them.

That's not fair. I never made fun of your religion. You are very judgmental.

You called my religion ridiculous, Serenity. Fur me, that counts as judging my religion and making fun of it. That's why I got angry at you, because I thought you weren't honest by doing so.

Jesus doesn't condemn anyone, what are you talking about?

Then why is the bible filled with texts like this:

John 5:26-29:
For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

It is clear Jesus judges people here. I don't think that's a bad thing, as I myself believe the judgment of the Mother Goddess decides whether a person is reincarnated or enters the Otherworld. As long as the judgment is righteous, I don't care.

I thought you were nice and accepting, but apparently you are not. I'll pray that you open your heart to love and joy.

How can you possibly say such a thing, Serenity? Aren't you judging me right now?

Anyway, I don't believe in Jesus, and I am glad I don't.
Being nice and accepting does not mean accepting whatever people tell you. If you would do that, you would just be a computer, ready to be programmed by whatever person happens to walk by.
And let me tell you, I know a lot of love and joy since I was induced into The Craft. It's so great to be guided by the Wisdom of the Mother Goddess!

I'm not proselytizing, you need to calm down.

I'm sorry, I'm a very impulsive person. I misunderstood your intentions, and I'm glad you've cleared that up for me!

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth ends up with a world of blind people who can't eat steak! The concentration camp survivors should show their love and forgiveness to their tormentors, as Jesus taught.

Did you really tell that to those people?

Oh, I hate to say anything rude about anyone, so I won't say anything about the Landover church...

Well said!

I'm sorry, but the joy of Christ abounds in my heart so much, I find it hard to stop.

Okay, I'll keep that in mind. I hope you stick along for a while on these forums, it's great to talk with you!

[James Hutchins]

Re: The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!

Of course not. Serenity and I had a misunderstanding. Actually we both respect each other's religion, something you've never learned. I hope we can both learn something from this discussion, and I have already learned a lot.

I don't think he is right about some things, but he is not as dramatically wrong as you are, Jamie. After all, your kind never has learned anything new the past 400 years.

Who is 'Jamie'? Are you drinking that wiccan wine again? Last time you tipped a bit much you were found running naked in streets playing with the speed bumps.

[Serenity-Millennium]

Re: The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!

Of course not. Serenity and I had a misunderstanding. Actually we both respect each other's religion, something you've never learned. I hope we can both learn something from this discussion, and I have already learned a lot.

I don't think he is right about some things, but he is not as dramatically wrong as you are, Jamie. After all, your kind never has learned anything new the past 400 years.

Oh, you shouldn't be so harsh with him. He'll learn the truth someday, when we're all singing kumbya in the great campground in the sky

[Serenity-Millennium]

Re: The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!

Are we about to have a cat fight? Don't make me get the bucket of cold baby oil out.

You two harlots both are wrong, that you can agree on. So, if you both are wrong, the rest of us (read majority) are right.

I'm a man...

[Serenity-Millennium]

Re: The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!

Serenity, honestly, what's wrong with you?

That's not very nice

I liked your first postings, but you are getting more condescending with every post. You criticized me for just mentioning the Mother Goddess, but apparently see no problem whatsoever with throwing twenty bible passages to my head.
Could you please just accept that I'm happy with my religion, and don't think yours is true? I respect it, but I'm not interested in converting to it!

You completely misunderstand me. I'm not trying to convert you at all. Why should I? You will be saved anyway. I was merely explaining why I believe what I do.

You sound really smug about it. At least my religion isn't so ridiculous that we worship a zombie, a pigeon and a guy named "Jealous."

That's not fair. I never made fun of your religion. You are very judgmental.

So Jesus is an anarchist? I've always suspected something like that. Really hypocritical of him, saying we don't need laws, but condemning us in the "judgment" nevertheless.

Jesus doesn't condemn anyone, what are you talking about?

John 8: 14-18Jesus replied, "You're right that you only have my word. But you can depend on it being true. I know where I've come from and where I go next. You don't know where I'm from or where I'm headed. You decide according to what you can see and touch. I don't make judgments like that. But even if I did, my judgment would be true because I wouldn't make it out of the narrowness of my experience but in the largeness of the One who sent me, the Father. That fulfills the conditions set down in God's Law: that you can count on the testimony of two witnesses. And that is what you have: You have my word and you have the word of the Father who sent me."

John 12: 47-50"If anyone hears what I am saying and doesn't take it seriously, I don't reject him. I didn't come to reject the world; I came to save the world. But you need to know that whoever puts me off, refusing to take in what I'm saying, is willfully choosing rejection. The Word, the Word-made-flesh that I have spoken and that I am, that Word and no other is the last word. I'm not making any of this up on my own. The Father who sent me gave me orders, told me what to say and how to say it. And I know exactly what his command produces: real and eternal life. That's all I have to say. What the Father told me, I tell you."

I'm glad he never existed.

I thought you were nice and accepting, but apparently you are not. I'll pray that you open your heart to love and joy.

By the way, could you please stop proselytizing? That's really rude. I don't want to accept a religion that causes me to say that newborn babies aren't human beings. I can't believe a loving god would say such a thing.

I'm not proselytizing, you need to calm down.

Do you want me to go to the Main Sanctuary of Landover and smash the place to pieces? That's what Jesus did in the temple, didn't he?

Um, no he didn't...

Go tell that to a concentration camp survivor, Serenity. I'm very glad these people faced judgment after their atrocities. I think evil needs to be repaid. That's basic justice.

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth ends up with a world of blind people who can't eat steak! The concentration camp survivors should show their love and forgiveness to their tormentors, as Jesus taught.

That's fine with me. At least you attach great value to love, which is a good thing. If the people here at Landover would do the same thing, the place would be much nicer to live in.

Oh, I hate to say anything rude about anyone, so I won't say anything about the Landover church...

I'm sorry that I sound a bit annoyed in this post, but you must understand, people have been trying to convert me since I became a wiccan, and I'm fed up with it. I know you really mean well, but you shouldn't throw scripture at me. I'm not throwing my religion at you either.

I'm sorry, but the joy of Christ abounds in my heart so much, I find it hard to stop.

I hope you understand what I mean, Serenity. I still consider you a friend, by the way!

And you are my friend, of course. Everyone is my friend, no matter what

[Miss Cassandra]

Re: The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!

Are we about to have a cat fight? Don't make me get the bucket of cold baby oil out.

Of course not. Serenity and I had a misunderstanding. Actually we both respect each other's religion, something you've never learned. I hope we can both learn something from this discussion, and I have already learned a lot.

I don't think he is right about some things, but he is not as dramatically wrong as you are, Jamie. After all, your kind never has learned anything new the past 400 years.

[James Hutchins]

Re: The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!

Are we about to have a cat fight? Don't make me get the bucket of cold baby oil out.

You two harlots both are wrong, that you can agree on. So, if you both are wrong, the rest of us (read majority) are right.

[Miss Cassandra]

Re: The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!

Serenity, honestly, what's wrong with you?
I liked your first postings, but you are getting more condescending with every post. You criticized me for just mentioning the Mother Goddess, but apparently see no problem whatsoever with throwing twenty bible passages to my head.
Could you please just accept that I'm happy with my religion, and don't think yours is true? I respect it, but I'm not interested in converting to it!

Well, I don't agree with you, but I believe I should not judge others beliefs, no matter how ridiculous they are. I feel it is my Christian duty

You sound really smug about it. At least my religion isn't so ridiculous that we worship a zombie, a pigeon and a guy named "Jealous."

Jesus did away with our need for laws.

So Jesus is an anarchist? I've always suspected something like that. Really hypocritical of him, saying we don't need laws, but condemning us in the "judgment" nevertheless.

I'm glad he never existed.

By the way, could you please stop proselytizing? That's really rude. I don't want to accept a religion that causes me to say that newborn babies aren't human beings. I can't believe a loving god would say such a thing.

Turn the other cheek, darling! Follow Jesus' example!

Do you want me to go to the Main Sanctuary of Landover and smash the place to pieces? That's what Jesus did in the temple, didn't he?

Of course it was evil! JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED!!!

Go tell that to a concentration camp survivor, Serenity. I'm very glad these people faced judgment after their atrocities. I think evil needs to be repaid. That's basic justice.

Well, I won't judge your beliefs, but I believe that everyone is in Christ - whether they want to be or not.

That's fine with me. At least you attach great value to love, which is a good thing. If the people here at Landover would do the same thing, the place would be much nicer to live in.

I'm sorry that I sound a bit annoyed in this post, but you must understand, people have been trying to convert me since I became a wiccan, and I'm fed up with it. I know you really mean well, but you shouldn't throw scripture at me. I'm not throwing my religion at you either.

I hope you understand what I mean, Serenity. I still consider you a friend, by the way!

[Serenity-Millennium]

Re: The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!

Well, I'm unable to love some of these people, I'm very sorry. I do not believe in Jesus, but wiccans value love as well as a cardinal virtue, so maybe it will change some day. But right now, I cannot forgive them.

I'm sorry to hear that

Matthew 6: 14-15"In prayer there is a connection between what God does and what you do. You can't get forgiveness from God, for instance, without also forgiving others. If you refuse to do your part, you cut yourself off from God's part.


Mark 11: 22-25Jesus was matter-of-fact: "Embrace this God-life. Really embrace it, and nothing will be too much for you. This mountain, for instance: Just say, 'Go jump in the lake'—no shuffling or shilly-shallying—and it's as good as done. That's why I urge you to pray for absolutely everything, ranging from small to large. Include everything as you embrace this God-life, and you'll get God's everything. And when you assume the posture of prayer, remember that it's not all asking. If you have anything against someone, forgive—only then will your heavenly Father be inclined to also wipe your slate clean of sins."




Luke 11:2-4So he said, "When you pray, say,

Father,
Reveal who you are.
Set the world right.
Keep us alive with three square meals.
Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others.
Keep us safe from ourselves and the Devil."

I personally believe that people are reincarnated until the Mother Goddess deems them fit to enter the Otherworld. The are fit when they have learned the eight virtues, which you can read in my signature. Pastor Ezekiel likely needs to be reincarnated as a catholic altarboy before he can enter that place.

Well, I don't agree with you, but I believe I should not judge others beliefs, no matter how ridiculous they are. I feel it is my Christian duty

That's a pity. I was hoping you could join us in our fight for justice in Freehold. But seeing you reject all laws of this country, you probably aren't willing to help mr. King in his run for mayor, as he's going to enforce some laws here!

Jesus did away with our need for laws.

Galatians 3: 9-10So those now who live by faith are blessed along with Abraham, who lived by faith—this is no new doctrine! And that means that anyone who tries to live by his own effort, independent of God, is doomed to failure. Scripture backs this up: "Utterly cursed is every person who fails to carry out every detail written in the Book of the law."


Romans 7: 4-6So, my friends, this is something like what has taken place with you. When Christ died he took that entire rule-dominated way of life down with him and left it in the tomb, leaving you free to "marry" a resurrection life and bear "offspring" of faith for God. For as long as we lived that old way of life, doing whatever we felt we could get away with, sin was calling most of the shots as the old law code hemmed us in. And this made us all the more rebellious. In the end, all we had to show for it was miscarriages and stillbirths. But now that we're no longer shackled to that domineering mate of sin, and out from under all those oppressive regulations and fine print, we're free to live a new life in the freedom of God.

Romans 10: 4-10The earlier revelation was intended simply to get us ready for the Messiah, who then puts everything right for those who trust him to do it. Moses wrote that anyone who insists on using the law code to live right before God soon discovers it's not so easy—every detail of life regulated by fine print! But trusting God to shape the right living in us is a different story— no precarious climb up to heaven to recruit the Messiah, no dangerous descent into hell to rescue the Messiah. So what exactly was Moses saying?

The word that saves is right here,
as near as the tongue in your mouth,
as close as the heart in your chest.
It's the word of faith that welcomes God to go to work and set things right for us. This is the core of our preaching. Say the welcoming word to God—"Jesus is my Master"—embracing, body and soul, God's work of doing in us what he did in raising Jesus from the dead. That's it. You're not "doing" anything; you're simply calling out to God, trusting him to do it for you. That's salvation. With your whole being you embrace God setting things right, and then you say it, right out loud: "God has set everything right between him and me!"


Galatians 3: 23-24Until the time when we were mature enough to respond freely in faith to the living God, we were carefully surrounded and protected by the Mosaic law. The law was like those Greek tutors, with which you are familiar, who escort children to school and protect them from danger or distraction, making sure the children will really get to the place they set out for.
25-27But now you have arrived at your destination: By faith in Christ you are in direct relationship with God. Your baptism in Christ was not just washing you up for a fresh start. It also involved dressing you in an adult faith wardrobe—Christ's life, the fulfillment of God's original promise.


Galatians 5: 16-18My counsel is this: Live freely, animated and motivated by God's Spirit. Then you won't feed the compulsions of selfishness. For there is a root of sinful self-interest in us that is at odds with a free spirit, just as the free spirit is incompatible with selfishness. These two ways of life are antithetical, so that you cannot live at times one way and at times another way according to how you feel on any given day. Why don't you choose to be led by the Spirit and so escape the erratic compulsions of a law-dominated existence?

Ephesians 2: 14-15The Messiah has made things up between us so that we're now together on this, both non-Jewish outsiders and Jewish insiders. He tore down the wall we used to keep each other at a distance. He repealed the law code that had become so clogged with fine print and footnotes that it hindered more than it helped. Then he started over. Instead of continuing with two groups of people separated by centuries of animosity and suspicion, he created a new kind of human being, a fresh start for everybody.

Galatians 2: 19-21What actually took place is this: I tried keeping rules and working my head off to please God, and it didn't work. So I quit being a "law man" so that I could be God's man. Christ's life showed me how, and enabled me to do it. I identified myself completely with him. Indeed, I have been crucified with Christ. My ego is no longer central. It is no longer important that I appear righteous before you or have your good opinion, and I am no longer driven to impress God. Christ lives in me. The life you see me living is not "mine," but it is lived by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I am not going to go back on that.
Is it not clear to you that to go back to that old rule-keeping, peer-pleasing religion would be an abandonment of everything personal and free in my relationship with God? I refuse to do that, to repudiate God's grace. If a living relationship with God could come by rule-keeping, then Christ died unnecessarily.

Did you know witches are killed each year because of the annual witch hunt? If JJ Mould wins, I probably won't make it until my next birthday!

Turn the other cheek, darling! Follow Jesus' example!

You see, there is a reason I think laws are a good thing. After all, you don't think the conviction of nazi war criminals in Nuremberg were an evil thing, do you?

Of course it was evil! JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED!!!

I'm sorry, but I disagree with that. Someone tried to shoot me down for being a wiccan two months ago. Are you saying it was wrong that I kicked him between the legs and ran away? Don't you realize I would have been dead if I hadn't done so?

Matthew 5: 43-47"You're familiar with the old written law, 'Love your friend,' and its unwritten companion, 'Hate your enemy.' I'm challenging that. I'm telling you to love your enemies. Let them bring out the best in you, not the worst. When someone gives you a hard time, respond with the energies of prayer, for then you are working out of your true selves, your God-created selves. This is what God does. He gives his best—the sun to warm and the rain to nourish—to everyone, regardless: the good and bad, the nice and nasty. If all you do is love the lovable, do you expect a bonus? Anybody can do that. If you simply say hello to those who greet you, do you expect a medal? Any run-of-the-mill sinner does that.

God Is Love

1 John 4: 7-10My beloved friends, let us continue to love each other since love comes from God. Everyone who loves is born of God and experiences a relationship with God. The person who refuses to love doesn't know the first thing about God, because God is love—so you can't know him if you don't love. This is how God showed his love for us: God sent his only Son into the world so we might live through him. This is the kind of love we are talking about—not that we once upon a time loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a sacrifice to clear away our sins and the damage they've done to our relationship with God.

Matthew 16: 24-26Then Jesus went to work on his disciples. "Anyone who intends to come with me has to let me lead. You're not in the driver's seat; I am. Don't run from suffering; embrace it. Follow me and I'll show you how. Self-help is no help at all. Self-sacrifice is the way, my way, to finding yourself, your true self. What kind of deal is it to get everything you want but lose yourself? What could you ever trade your soul for?

Matthew 26: 50-51Jesus said, "Friend, why this charade?"
Then they came on him—grabbed him and roughed him up. One of those with Jesus pulled his sword and, taking a swing at the Chief Priest's servant, cut off his ear.
52-54Jesus said, "Put your sword back where it belongs. All who use swords are destroyed by swords. Don't you realize that I am able right now to call to my Father, and twelve companies—more, if I want them—of fighting angels would be here, battle-ready? But if I did that, how would the Scriptures come true that say this is the way it has to be?"


Luke 6: 27-30"To you who are ready for the truth, I say this: Love your enemies. Let them bring out the best in you, not the worst. When someone gives you a hard time, respond with the energies of prayer for that person. If someone slaps you in the face, stand there and take it. If someone grabs your shirt, giftwrap your best coat and make a present of it. If someone takes unfair advantage of you, use the occasion to practice the servant life. No more tit-for-tat stuff. Live generously.
31-34"Here is a simple rule of thumb for behavior: Ask yourself what you want people to do for you; then grab the initiative and do it for them! If you only love the lovable, do you expect a pat on the back? Run-of-the-mill sinners do that. If you only help those who help you, do you expect a medal? Garden-variety sinners do that. If you only give for what you hope to get out of it, do you think that's charity? The stingiest of pawnbrokers does that.
35-36"I tell you, love your enemies. Help and give without expecting a return. You'll never—I promise—regret it. Live out this God-created identity the way our Father lives toward us, generously and graciously, even when we're at our worst. Our Father is kind; you be kind.
37-38"Don't pick on people, jump on their failures, criticize their faults— unless, of course, you want the same treatment. Don't condemn those who are down; that hardness can boomerang. Be easy on people; you'll find life a lot easier. Give away your life; you'll find life given back, but not merely given back—given back with bonus and blessing. Giving, not getting, is the way. Generosity begets generosity."

John 18: 36"My kingdom," said Jesus, "doesn't consist of what you see around you. If it did, my followers would fight so that I wouldn't be handed over to the Jews. But I'm not that kind of king, not the world's kind of king."

Romans 12: 17-19Don't hit back; discover beauty in everyone. If you've got it in you, get along with everybody. Don't insist on getting even; that's not for you to do. "I'll do the judging," says God. "I'll take care of it."
20-21Our Scriptures tell us that if you see your enemy hungry, go buy that person lunch, or if he's thirsty, get him a drink. Your generosity will surprise him with goodness. Don't let evil get the best of you; get the best of evil by doing good.

Romans 14: 17-18God's kingdom isn't a matter of what you put in your stomach, for goodness' sake. It's what God does with your life as he sets it right, puts it together, and completes it with joy. Your task is to single-mindedly serve Christ. Do that and you'll kill two birds with one stone: pleasing the God above you and proving your worth to the people around you.
19-21So let's agree to use all our energy in getting along with each other. Help others with encouraging words; don't drag them down by finding fault. You're certainly not going to permit an argument over what is served or not served at supper to wreck God's work among you, are you? I said it before and I'll say it again: All food is good, but it can turn bad if you use it badly, if you use it to trip others up and send them sprawling. When you sit down to a meal, your primary concern should not be to feed your own face but to share the life of Jesus. So be sensitive and courteous to the others who are eating. Don't eat or say or do things that might interfere with the free exchange of love.

Ephesians 5: 1-2Watch what God does, and then you do it, like children who learn proper behavior from their parents. Mostly what God does is love you. Keep company with him and learn a life of love. Observe how Christ loved us. His love was not cautious but extravagant. He didn't love in order to get something from us but to give everything of himself to us. Love like that.

James 3: 17-18Real wisdom, God's wisdom, begins with a holy life and is characterized by getting along with others. It is gentle and reasonable, overflowing with mercy and blessings, not hot one day and cold the next, not two-faced. You can develop a healthy, robust community that lives right with God and enjoy its results only if you do the hard work of getting along with each other, treating each other with dignity and honor.
James 4

Get Serious

1-2Where do you think all these appalling wars and quarrels come from? Do you think they just happen? Think again. They come about because you want your own way, and fight for it deep inside yourselves. You lust for what you don't have and are willing to kill to get it. You want what isn't yours and will risk violence to get your hands on it.

1 Peter 2: 21-25This is the kind of life you've been invited into, the kind of life Christ lived. He suffered everything that came his way so you would know that it could be done, and also know how to do it, step-by-step.

He never did one thing wrong,
Not once said anything amiss.
They called him every name in the book and he said nothing back. He suffered in silence, content to let God set things right. He used his servant body to carry our sins to the Cross so we could be rid of sin, free to live the right way. His wounds became your healing. You were lost sheep with no idea who you were or where you were going. Now you're named and kept for good by the Shepherd of your souls.

1 Peter 3:8-12Summing up: Be agreeable, be sympathetic, be loving, be compassionate, be humble. That goes for all of you, no exceptions. No retaliation. No sharp-tongued sarcasm. Instead, bless—that's your job, to bless. You'll be a blessing and also get a blessing.

Whoever wants to embrace life
and see the day fill up with good,
Here's what you do:
Say nothing evil or hurtful;
Snub evil and cultivate good;
run after peace for all you're worth.
God looks on all this with approval,
listening and responding well to what he's asked;
But he turns his back
on those who do evil things. 13-18If with heart and soul you're doing good, do you think you can be stopped? Even if you suffer for it, you're still better off. Don't give the opposition a second thought. Through thick and thin, keep your hearts at attention, in adoration before Christ, your Master. Be ready to speak up and tell anyone who asks why you're living the way you are, and always with the utmost courtesy. Keep a clear conscience before God so that when people throw mud at you, none of it will stick. They'll end up realizing that they're the ones who need a bath. It's better to suffer for doing good, if that's what God wants, than to be punished for doing bad. That's what Christ did definitively: suffered because of others' sins, the Righteous One for the unrighteous ones. He went through it all—was put to death and then made alive—to bring us to God.

I'm not "in Christ." But thanks nevertheless.

Well, I won't judge your beliefs, but I believe that everyone is in Christ - whether they want to be or not.

[Serenity-Millennium]

Re: The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!

That's pretty much the only part of the bible which i like, the part where love and peace is stressed
I dont know which verse, chapter or book it's in, but i'm sure it's in there somewhere

It's every verse, chapter and book. Every single one

[Miss Cassandra]

Re: The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!

Well ALL religions are a path to God (including having no religion) so in the end, it doesn't really matter. But the Bible is definitely God's loving gift to personkind

I'm glad you say that. I respect your religious views.

That may be, but still, Jesus tells us to LOVE, LOVE, LOVE EVERYONE no matter what. He's crying seeing how much hate is in your heart

Well, I'm unable to love some of these people, I'm very sorry. I do not believe in Jesus, but wiccans value love as well as a cardinal virtue, so maybe it will change some day. But right now, I cannot forgive them.

The Pastor is not yet deceased, but when he dies, he will surely be called into the Lord's bosom along with everyone else

Oh, now I understand you.

I personally believe that people are reincarnated until the Mother Goddess deems them fit to enter the Otherworld. The are fit when they have learned the eight virtues, which you can read in my signature. Pastor Ezekiel likely needs to be reincarnated as a catholic altarboy before he can enter that place.

Of course I would never sue them. Nobody should ever be judged for ANY reason whatsoever, that's what Jesus told us. The whole legal system is an abomination! I wish I could open up all the prisons and let those poor men free, and show them the loving kindness of Christ.

That's a pity. I was hoping you could join us in our fight for justice in Freehold. But seeing you reject all laws of this country, you probably aren't willing to help mr. King in his run for mayor, as he's going to enforce some laws here!
Did you know witches are killed each year because of the annual witch hunt? If JJ Mould wins, I probably won't make it until my next birthday!

You see, there is a reason I think laws are a good thing. After all, you don't think the conviction of nazi war criminals in Nuremberg were an evil thing, do you?

Love Your Enemies

38-42"Here's another old saying that deserves a second look: 'Eye for eye, tooth for tooth.' Is that going to get us anywhere? Here's what I propose: 'Don't hit back at all.' If someone strikes you, stand there and take it. If someone drags you into court and sues for the shirt off your back, giftwrap your best coat and make a present of it. And if someone takes unfair advantage of you, use the occasion to practice the servant life. No more tit-for-tat stuff. Live generously.

I'm sorry, but I disagree with that. Someone tried to shoot me down for being a wiccan two months ago. Are you saying it was wrong that I kicked him between the legs and ran away? Don't you realize I would have been dead if I hadn't done so?

It's very unfair of you to say I have to worship your Goddess All religions are paths to heaven, you shouldn't be so pushy.

Oh, Serenity, I'm really sorry, I wasn't intending to! Of course you don't have to do so!

I just tried to give you some advice, it made me happy, you see, to live my life under the guidance of the Mother Goddess.
I wasn't intending to be pushy (my personal experience taught me how evil it is when people impose their beliefs on others), I just tried to tell you about my religious views. After all, so do you, don't you:

Thank you, my beautiful sister in Christ

I'm not "in Christ." But thanks nevertheless.

[Sariel]

Re: The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!

Amen! I'm glad my postings here have helped show people the warm love of God evident in the Bible.

That's pretty much the only part of the bible which i like, the part where love and peace is stressed
I dont know which verse, chapter or book it's in, but i'm sure it's in there somewhere