[True Disciple]

Re: The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!

I don't believe you are factually correct, but I know I have no right to judge you, and you shall be saved no matter what.

You've got me curious. You said that you a, believe all religions to be equally correct and b, everyone goes to heaven. If that is true, why are you posting here at all? After all, according to your views, we are just as correct as you are, so you can't possibly point out to us that we are wrong about anything. Also, you don't have to save us from eternal hellfire. What, then, are you hoping to achieve?

[Serenity-Millennium]

Re: The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!


Dr. Edward Wm. Fudge accepts the premise of Biblical Universalism and maintains a very significant Internet ministry. In a "gracEmail" (the logo for his ministry) he very graciously and knowledgeably responds as follows to the question we discussed in the above material:
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"In an earlier "gracEmail," I stated that God will judge all people by the light they had and not by truth they could not know. A missionary in South America asks, "If that is so, am I wasting my time here? Why preach the gospel today? Are you saying that people are saved apart from Jesus Christ?"

"Not at all. I am saying that no one will finally be saved except through Jesus Christ and what God accomplished through him. That includes people who lived before Jesus and after Jesus -- within Israel and among the nations. That is not to say that all those saved people knew in this life the details of God's work in Christ, although they all did relate to God in the kind of creaturely faith we see in the patriarch Abraham, "the father of the faithful" (Acts 4:11-12; Rom. 2:11-16; Rom. 4:1-16).

"Are you wasting your time? No! You are obeying Jesus, fulfilling his Great Commission (Matt. 28:18-20). You are speaking because you believe (2 Cor. 4:13) and are sharing the way of life (Acts 11:18). You are turning people from darkness to light (Col. 1:13-14), introducing people to the living and true God (1 Thess. 1:9-10) and spreading hope of eternal life (Titus 1:1-3). You are giving freedom over fear of death (Heb. 2:14-15), inspiring a living hope (1 Pet. 1:3) and filling people with joy and peace in believing (Rom. 15:13). You are giving assurance of God's mercy that transforms lives (Titus 2:11-15). You are bestowing many, many other blessings through the knowledge of Jesus Christ.

"In the process, you are being used by God as an agent in the salvation of those who through your ministry receive the grace of God (2 Cor. 5:18 -- 6:2). The gospel is God's power for saving sinners -- in the fullest sense of the word "save" (Rom. 1:16). The kingdom of God brings wholeness and healing of all kinds -- spiritual, emotional and physical (Acts 4:10-12). Jesus is the way, the truth and the life (John 14:6). We are privileged to tell people what God has done for them through him, and how God has revealed himself most fully through his only-begotten Son, the divine Word made flesh, Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ. Our success depends on God. His success does not depend on us.

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© 2001 by Edward Fudge. Unlimited permission to copy without altering text or profiteering is hereby granted subject to inclusion of this copyright notice. For encouragement and spiritual food any time, visit Fudge's multimedia website at www.EdwardFudge.com.

[True Disciple]

Re: The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!

I'm sorry, I still don't get you. What, according to your religion, would have been different if you never came here? Your religion seems to teach that nothing really matters, as the end result will be the same after all.

This is why I think it is very, very dangerous. This is one of Satan's most evil tricks to deceive people into eternal hellfire, as the Bible teaches. Throw them off guard, and they'll never become a True Christian(tm). Possibly even more insidious than the false theory of evolution.

[Serenity-Millennium]

Re: The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!

Serenity-Millennium is not a person, it is a movement. I have counterparts all over the world.

In Japan there is my brother, Sereniti-Mireniamu

In Albania, there is Qetësi-Mijëvjeçarin

In Belarus, there is Syerniyu-Iummlynenna
In Bulgaria, there is Uvekhnalnost-Ievmelnitsakazan
In Croatia, there is Vedrina-Tisućljeće
In the Czech Republic, there is Vyrovnanost-Tisíciletí
In Denmark, there is Sindsro-årtusinde
In the Netherlands, there is Sereniteit-Duizendjarigtijdperk
In Estonia, there is Selgus-Aastatuhat
In the Philippines, there is Kahinahunan-Sanlibongtaon
In Finland, there is Rauhallisuutta-Vuosituhannen
In France, there is Sérénité-Millénaire
In Germany, there is Gelassenheit-Jahrtausend
In Haiti, there is Kalm-Milenè
In Hungary, there is Nyugalommal-évezredre
In Iceland, there is Logn-Hamingja
In Indonesia, there is Ketenangan-Milenium
In Ireland, there is Calma-Sonas
In Italy, there is Serenità-Millennio
In Latvia, there is Rāmums-Gadutūkstotī
In Lithuania, there is Ramybė-Millenium
In Macedonia, there is серенитy-mIlлензумн
In Malta, there is Serenità-Millennju
In Norway, there is Fredfylthet-Lykke
In Poland, there is Pogodność-Tysiąclecie
In Portugal, there is Serenidade-Milênio
In Romania, there is Linişte-Mileniului
In Russia, there is СЕРЕНИТу-МИЛЛЕННИУМ
In Serbia, there is еЕРЕНИтЫ-МЛИЛЕНИНУм
In Slovakia, there is Vyrovnanosť-Tisícročia
In Slovenia, there is Vedrini-Tisočletje
In Spain, there is Serenidad-Milenio
In Sweden, there is STILLHET-ÅRTUSENDE
In Thailand, there is S̄mt̄ha-S̄h̄ạs̄wrrs̄ʹ
In Turkey, there is Durgunluk-Milenyum
In the Ukraine, there is Bezturbotnistʹ-Tysyacholittya
In Vietnam, there is êmđềm-thiênniênkỷ
In Wales, there is Bwyllog-Mileniwm

And many more, which I can't discuss...

[True Disciple]

Re: The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!


Does that mean I've been talking to your friends and family all the time? How many of you have been posting here?

That might also explain why you didn't manage to answer my question; every time again, a new person replied, and of course didn't know what the question was in the first place, or how our previous discussion went. Could you please make a decision together to answer this question, or stop posting? Thanks.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!

Funny, I put Serenity-Millennium into Google and I get this thread, a hotel, a hot tub and some Japanese porn show called Sailor Moon.

Want to tell me about this huge movement of yours again?

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!

I have counterparts all over the world.

Goofy from Disney World seems to be missing from your list.

[Serenity-Millennium]

Re: The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!

Does that mean I've been talking to your friends and family all the time? How many of you have been posting here?

That might also explain why you didn't manage to answer my question; every time again, a new person replied, and of course didn't know what the question was in the first place, or how our previous discussion went. Could you please make a decision together to answer this question, or stop posting? Thanks.

You took that seriously. Oh man, I was just playing around. Your posts were starting to get so accusatory and paranoid, I put that random nonsense as a joke. Of course I'm one person...

[True Disciple]

Re: The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!

I put that random nonsense as a joke.

That explains a lot. Quite a lot. I take it that this does apply to a lot of your other posts here as well? Many of them are just random nonsense, so apparently it does.

So you think this is a joke? Do you think eternal hellfire is funny? You'll see who gets the last laugh when you plunge into these very flames of Hell after you die, friend! (Hint: it's Jesus).

This is a worship forum. True Christians™ come here to pray, and to worship their Lord and Saviour™, Jesus Christ. I find it highly offensive that you've been wasting our time we otherwise would have spent doing this, for no more reason than for some cheap giggles. Now I understand why your responses to my serious replies to your posts were so sloppy and amateurish. You surely must have had a great time, pretending to be some fluffy-bunny insane lieberal christian, didn't you?

Anyway, if you ever do this again, I'm afraid I would have to report you to the moderators of this forum. We don't approve of trolling here. Please take matters more seriously from now on.

[Serenity-Millennium]

Re: The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!

That explains a lot. Quite a lot. I take it that this does apply to a lot of your other posts here as well? Many of them are just random nonsense, so apparently it does.

So you think this is a joke? Do you think eternal hellfire is funny? You'll see who gets the last laugh when you plunge into these very flames of Hell after you die, friend! (Hint: it's Jesus).

This is a worship forum. True Christians™ come here to pray, and to worship their Lord and Saviour™, Jesus Christ. I find it highly offensive that you've been wasting our time we otherwise would have spent doing this, for no more reason than for some cheap giggles. Now I understand why your responses to my serious replies to your posts were so sloppy and amateurish. You surely must have had a great time, pretending to be some fluffy-bunny insane lieberal christian, didn't you?

Anyway, if you ever do this again, I'm afraid I would have to report you to the moderators of this forum. We don't approve of trolling here. Please take matters more seriously from now on.

Oh dear, I forgot you are a little slow on the uptake. I'll try to explain it more carefully for you.

Only that last post, the stuff about me being a part of a vast worldwide conspiracy, was a joke. Everything I posted before was completely 100% serious, just like you. I put that because I found it funny you were accusing me of having ulterior motives for being here. And it seems I just made your suspicions worse. Why are you so hostile and afraid of learning new things?

[Raven.]

Re: The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!

Oh dear, I forgot you are a little slow on the uptake. I'll try to explain it more carefully for you.

Only that last post, the stuff about me being a part of a vast worldwide conspiracy, was a joke. Everything I posted before was completely 100% serious, just like you. I put that because I found it funny you were accusing me of having ulterior motives for being here. And it seems I just made your suspicions worse. Why are you so hostile and afraid of learning new things?

If one has been kept under the belief that there is nothing more then what they have known and taught and then in later years is introduced to these concepts of coarse it will appear shocking and make a person edgy... well atleast to some people, others can perhaps shake it off and just see that there are other ideas.

I can only assume, as for i can not say i am right.

Raven

[True Disciple]

Re: The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!

Everything I posted before was completely 100% serious, just like you. I put that because I found it funny you were accusing me of having ulterior motives for being here. And it seems I just made your suspicions worse.

Well, to be honest, I was really hoping you had other motives, as that could mean that you weren't believing all the lunacies you have been spouting. This is sad. I must say that I really hoped that your advocacy of slaughtering newborn babies was a joke as well, because if it isn't, you are really a messed-up kid. It's really sad that Satan has blinded you to the truth, and will torture you for eternity in Hell.

Why are you so hostile and afraid of learning new things?

Well, since I first met you, I've certainly learned a lot, mostly about what unitarians believe, in which ways they are dramatically wrong (those were surprisingly numerous) and how they drop their friendly, reasonable attitude when confronted with this, and start behaving like whiny, childish little crybabies, making "jokes" and endlessly repeating mindless dogma when they should be answering questions.

Aionion, my friend. As an adjective. I'm still waiting.

[Serenity-Millennium]

Re: The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!

Well, to be honest, I was really hoping you had other motives, as that could mean that you weren't believing all the lunacies you have been spouting. This is sad. I must say that I really hoped that your advocacy of slaughtering newborn babies was a joke as well, because if it isn't, you are really a messed-up kid. It's really sad that Satan has blinded you to the truth, and will torture you for eternity in Hell.

No worries, there is no such thing as hell. The Bible tells us so

[True Disciple]

Re: The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!

No worries, there is no such thing as hell. The Bible tells us so

Great argument! Never considered that! This completely blows away the arguments I've presented so far!

You are out of your mind. Next thing you'll tell me is that Salvation™ is achieved through works, instead of through faith.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!

No worries, there is no such thing as hell. The Bible tells us so

Would you mind sharing the Scriptures with us that back up your blasphemous claim?

Hell is a very real place. It's where Jesus sends false Christians like you!