[Brother Temperance]

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Mary is the Mother of God

The Woman who asked(interceded) for his first public miracle

Let's look at what Jesus said when his Jew shrew of a mum was hassling Him to perform miracles for her:
John 2:4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee?

Perhaps if you Catholics pray to Mary hard enough, she'll ask Jesus to spare you from Hellfire. He will reply "What have I to do with thee?", and then go back to whatever He was doing while you plunge into the Lake of Fire.

If i was to put a picture of my Mum and Dad on the wall in my home, would you accuse me of worshiping them?

There's a pretty big difference between that and building a statue of your mum and dad and then asking them to ask God to be nice to you, though.

Luke 11: 27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, "Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you."
28He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."

Funny that, our idolatrous friend seems to have completely ignored this one. It's almost as though they don't have a reply to the fact that God's word obviously contradicts their pagan practices. But I'm sure there must be another explanation.

they indeed are not saving the paper within the album, but cherished memories of that person. When someones kisses or hugs a photo, they are remembering and honour that person dearest to them, not simply kissing a piece of paper.

Common sense?

I don't see what common sense has to do with worshipping idols.

I have no desire to find jesus, he is as real as Horus, the only accounts of what he did comes from those who were not there, you may say the same of Horus, but Horus is accepted as a Myth.

Nonsense. God was definitely there, and it was Him who wrote the Bible. Witnesses don't get more credible than that.

[Didymus Much]

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Its good though you refered to another Authoritive Book, other than the Scriptures

Yes, citing your sources is a good habit, because it shows you're not just making stuff up (hint hint).

I clipped the irrelevant parts out of that definition because they are irrelevant. We're talking about a VERB (to worship), so I posted the definition of the VERB, not the noun.

The OBJECT of a sentence can be a person, place, or thing. I had assumed that you had a working knowledge of English grammar from your previous postings, but I now guess they were uncredited cut-and-pastes (like your last).

I guess I confused people on their knees praying to a graven image in their Church with people "rendering religious reverence and homage to" something. I guess the priest who told me to pray to a specific saint didn't really mean "pray to that specific saint". Now I only have to go learn ancient Greek and Latin in order for you to explain the difference between "worship" and "worship". Gimme a few years, wilya?

[Sister Christina]

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I need to read the full translation of the Book of The Dead to see if Acharya was mistaken or not.

Put there is still a point to be made that the myth of jesus can not be substantiated either, there are no contemporary records of his life, even josephus who is often quoted was not contemporary with Jesus.

Who needs contemporary when we have this:

But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Matthew 1:20-21


Praise the Lord!

[James Dewitt]

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I have no desire to find jesus, he is as real as Horus, the only accounts of what he did comes from those who were not there, you may say the same of Horus, but Horus is accepted as a Myth.

I need to read the full translation of the Book of The Dead to see if Acharya was mistaken or not.

Put there is still a point to be made that the myth of jesus can not be substantiated either, there are no contemporary records of his life, even josephus who is often quoted was not contemporary with Jesus.

Pasta Boy is there a bottom to the depths that you will sink to? First it is a damn noodle and now a pagan god that you worship? You change your mind more than a female. Boy you best get right with Jesus!

[Jo Freddie]

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I can't seem to find anything about Horus walking on water in your first quote/link, and the second one is based on an article written by Acharya, whereof the writer of my second quote/link says, and I quote "As to Acharya, she as usual provides nothing to substantiate this".

No records = It didn't happen!

I need to read the full translation of the Book of The Dead to see if Acharya was mistaken or not.

Put there is still a point to be made that the myth of jesus can not be substantiated either, there are no contemporary records of his life, even josephus who is often quoted was not contemporary with Jesus.

[Jo Freddie]

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I have no desire to find jesus, he is as real as Horus, the only accounts of what he did comes from those who were not there, you may say the same of Horus, but Horus is accepted as a Myth.

[Lisa H]

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I just don't understand his stubbornness. Can't he see that we are willing to help him find Jesus Christ and that it is his stories that are fairytales?

How can you even believe in a octopussy made of spaghetti?

His stubbornness comes from his pride. I feel he has become deluded from living among riffraff during his pillage voyages at sea. I often wonder what drove him to worship noodles.


Psalm 10:4 The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts.

[Sister Christina]

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Don't worry Sister Christina, Jo Freddie is just a sore loser. He will not admit when he has been shown the error of his ways.

I just don't understand his stubbornness. Can't he see that we are willing to help him find Jesus Christ and that it is his stories that are fairytales?

How can you even believe in a octopussy made of spaghetti?

[Lisa H]

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I can't seem to find anything about Horus walking on water in your first quote/link, and the second one is based on an article written by Acharya, whereof the writer of my second quote/link says, and I quote "As to Acharya, she as usual provides nothing to substantiate this".

No records = It didn't happen!

Don't worry Sister Christina, Jo Freddie is just a sore loser. He will not admit when he has been shown the error of his ways.

[Sister Christina]

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There are many different versions of the Myth of Horus, some of them say on thing, some say something different, but they all give examples of his life that were rehashed in the jesus myth.

Of course as this shows the origins of much of the jesus myth you will find plenty of christian sources that will attempt to dispute it.

I can't seem to find anything about Horus walking on water in your first quote/link, and the second one is based on an article written by Acharya, whereof the writer of my second quote/link says, and I quote "As to Acharya, she as usual provides nothing to substantiate this".

No records = It didn't happen!

[Jo Freddie]

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Life events allegedly shared by Horus and Yeshua (a.k.a. Jesus)

There is a near consensus that Yeshua was born circa 4 to 7 BCE. By that time, stories from the life of Horus had been circulating for centuries before. If any copying occurred by the writers of the Egyptian or Christian religions, it was the myths and legends of Horus that were incorporated into Jesus' biography, not vice-versa.
Tom Harpur, an author, journalist, Anglican priest, and theologian, studied the works of three authors specialized in ancient Egyptian religion: Godfrey Higgins (1771-1834), Gerald Massey (1828-1907) and Alvin Boyd Kuhn (1880-1963). Harpur incorporated some of their findings into his book "Pagan Christ." 1 He argued that all of the essential ideas of both Judaism and Christianity came primarily from Egyptian religion.
Harpur writes, in his book:

"[Author Gerald] Massey discovered nearly two hundred instances of immediate correspondence between the mythical Egyptian material and the allegedly historical Christian writings about Jesus. Horus indeed was the archetypal Pagan Christ." 2

One problem with comparing events in the life of Horus and Yeshua relates to time. Horus was a leading figure in Egyptian mythology for millennia. Folklore about him naturally proliferated during this interval. So, for example, there is more than one story about the method by which he died. Thus, if the writers of the Christian Scriptures (New Testament) did copy events from Horus' life, they would have had multiple options from which to choose. Further, one cannot compare crucifixion in 1st century CE Judah, with a simlar procedure in ancient Egypt. Roman crucifixion followed a specific procedure by which the victim was made to carry the crosspiece through the city, clothing was stripped from him, his limbs were tied -- or in rare instances, nailed -- to the cross, etc. Nothing precisely like this existed in ancient Egypt. So, one cannot strictly call Horus' execution a crucifixion, even if he was tied to a tree and died of exposure.

Horus of Egypt

The stories of Jesus and Horus are very similar, with Horus even contributing the name of Jesus Christ. Horus and his once-and-future Father, Osiris, are frequently interchangeable in the mythos ("I and my Father are one"). The legends of Horus go back thousands of years, and he shares the following in common with Jesus:

* Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave/manger, with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.
* He was a child teacher in the Temple and was baptized when he was 30 years old.
* Horus was also baptized by "Anup the Baptizer," who becomes "John the Baptist."
* He had 12 disciples.
* He performed miracles and raised one man, El-Azar-us, from the dead.
* He walked on water.
* Horus was transfigured on the Mount.
* He was crucified, buried in a tomb and resurrected.
* He was also the "Way, the Truth, the Light, the Messiah, God's Anointed Son, the Son of Man, the Good Shepherd, the Lamb of God, the Word" etc.
* He was "the Fisher," and was associated with the Lamb, Lion and Fish ("Ichthys").
* Horus's personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father."
* Horus was called "the KRST," or "Anointed One," long before the Christians duplicated the story.

In fact, in the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis - the original "Madonna and Child" - and the Vatican itself is built upon the papacy of Mithra, who shares many qualities with Jesus and who existed as a deity long before the Jesus character was formalized. The Christian hierarchy is nearly identical to the Mithraic version it replaced. Virtually all of the elements of the Catholic ritual, from miter to wafer to water to altar to doxology, are directly taken from earlier pagan mystery religions.

There are many different versions of the Myth of Horus, some of them say on thing, some say something different, but they all give examples of his life that were rehashed in the jesus myth.

Of course as this shows the origins of much of the jesus myth you will find plenty of christian sources that will attempt to dispute it.

[Lisa H]

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I am glad you have had the honesty to admit that you said yes when I asked if that was the being I should follow, as there appears to be no record of our conversation, I can see nothing in these thread from between Yesterday, 07:58 PM and Today, 12:44 AM (UK time) when we actually had a long conversation.

The fact still remains that as you said when asked if I should worship Horus, the description I gave was of that particular Egyptian Deity.

Admittedly due to what appears to have been a panic by the Pastor in deleting our conversation, now means you could have denied saying yes, but you have already confirmed that you did so.

I never said you should follow Horus. I just said yes. That was your interpretation. So stop putting words in my mouth. As I said, you are now questioning you FSM idol.

Refer to my previous commit about God gave you the will to believe in Him

I also think you forgot the rule you are to follow;
1. Lisa is always right.
2. If Lisa is wrong, refer to rule 1.

[Sister Christina]

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Horus
But oddly enough, it seems that Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men. Horus also did some amazing things in his life time. He taught in the temple when he was a child. He was baptized when he was 30 years old by “Anup the Baptizer.” Horus performed miracles and raised a man named El-Azar-us, from the dead. Not only did Horus walk on water, he was also crucified, buried in a tomb, and then resurrected.

Other- There are no mentions that Horus had 12 disciples like Jesus, but a mention of 4 demi-gods, 16 nobles, and blacksmiths accompanying him. There are no mentions of Horus being born in a manger but a swamp or a cave which is nothing close to a manger, no mentions of Horus raising anyone from the dead like how Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead. No mentions of a transfiguration, baptism, walking on water, having a second coming, or preaching in the temple at 12.

Claim #10-Both walked on water.
Horus didn’t, or at least there is no record that I can find that he did. Massey does not maintain that Hours did. Massey uses wild conjecture to connect the story of fish man, Oannes, not Horus, to Jesus. Oannes came out of the sea during the day, and went back into the sea at night. Massey makes the two analogous because by his calculations, Jesus walked on water during the day.
As to Acharya, she as usual provides nothing to substantiate this.

[Jo Freddie]

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She did no such thing. For one, Horus never walked on water.

Horus

There were many other gods that had sun-related mythologies (stories) attached to them. In Egypt one of these was known as Horus, which goes back three thousand years before Jesus Christ. At daybreak, this wonderful, newborn child is, of course, “Born Again.” Horus is risen on the horizon.

But oddly enough, it seems that Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men. Horus also did some amazing things in his life time. He taught in the temple when he was a child. He was baptized when he was 30 years old by “Anup the Baptizer.” Horus performed miracles and raised a man named El-Azar-us, from the dead. Not only did Horus walk on water, he was also crucified, buried in a tomb, and then resurrected.

Horus was known as “the Way,” “the Fisher,” “the Truth,” “the Light,” “God's Anointed Son,” “the Son of Man,” “the Good Shepherd,” “the Lamb of God,” and “the Word.” He was also was called “the KRST,” or “Anointed One.”

In fact, in the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis. The image of Isis nursing miraculously conceived son Horus conjures up coincidental ideas of the Virgin Mary with Jesus, but we’ll be covering these strange similarities soon.

As with the Sun Worshippers, there was also a trinity with Horus that had more of a family thing going on. There was Atum the Father and Ra the Holy Spirit. Add Horus and we have the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

In the later years of Horus he is imagined with 12 followers (or disciples) known as Har-Khuttie. Horus did have an enemy, and originally this was also the dark side of Horus, or his other face. This evil enemy was “Set” or “Sata.” Horus struggles with Sata for 40 days in the wilderness. Some claim that this myth represents the triumph of light over dark. This triumph is most noted on December 25.

[Jo Freddie]

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I just answered yes to your question. I did not say you had to worship Horus. God gave you the will to follow him. It is not my place to make you follow the Lord. It has to come from within you. Again it is yet another sign in your questioning of the FSM by searching for other gods and idols.

I am glad you have had the honesty to admit that you said yes when I asked if that was the being I should follow, as there appears to be no record of our conversation, I can see nothing in these thread from between Yesterday, 07:58 PM and Today, 12:44 AM (UK time) when we actually had a long conversation.

The fact still remains that as you said when asked if I should worship Horus, the description I gave was of that particular Egyptian Deity.

Admittedly due to what appears to have been a panic by the Pastor in deleting our conversation, now means you could have denied saying yes, but you have already confirmed that you did so.