[Jo Freddie]

Re: I need a little help under standing Scripture.

Jo Freddie, you're interrogating the Truth until you hear what you like. The implications of Bible law and magistrate law in tandem, have been explained to you. Don't like what you're hearing? I'm sorry. Asking the same questions over and over and expecting a different answer is nothing short of deranged.

I was just seeking clarification, something I thought I had got but apparently Levi decided he had gone too far.

Forcing pastors to enable gay marriage is a violation of the above. Unless the pastor sells his soul and consents; it will never happen. This is YOUR secular democracy(NOT our Theocratic ideology) - if we're able to re contextualize this (provided the Christian right succeeds) it'll be much less malleable. There are some state constitutions that differ from our federal constitutions, in that they put a heavier jurisdiction on the Bible when electing judicial and congressional figures(Bless them).

As I have already stated I agree it would be wrong to force a Pastor to perform a marriage between to people who they felt did not conform to the standards of their Church, and your constitution, so therefore secular Law, seem to defend that right.

As for you right to rebuke me within secular law, that I have no problem with at all. In fact to do otherwise would mean you were not being true to yourself, something that I feel is very important for everyone.

My own analysis is that it is pointless, annoying, and unnecessary to argue about the correct application of each particular law.

I was not the one who started this topic by posting the question.

Brother, obviously, it means that we should obey the laws of God when it is a more Godly ministration that runs our current regime, which we support as scripture tell us we must. We would never want to disobey our rulers and thus anger our LORD.

Implies that only if the administration you voted for is in power will you obey secular Law.

[landoverlover]

Re: I need a little help under standing Scripture.

No, I was just asking the forum member the question, to find out if he felt that Zekie Boy was wrong.

I am not trying to interoperate your KJV-CFT rule book, I am just seeking clarification as to what your church's position is and how if fits with your favourite collection of fairy tales.

Sorry Jo Freddie, but you and your starchy satanic friend will not succeed setting us one against another here!

My own analysis is that it is pointless, annoying, and unnecessary to argue about the correct application of each particular law. God will judge WHY we acted. He knows exactly what is in our hearts. If we have acted out of true faith, then whatever we do is necessarily right, even if one Christian does the exact opposite of another in any one case. If our motives are less than pure, then we can do wrong even if it is the same act as another who God judges to be correct because that person acted out of faith.

It is a case of the means justifying the ends.

Just my un-Pastorly opinion.

[CyberYahweh]

Re: I need a little help under standing Scripture.

Jo Freddie, you're interrogating the Truth until you hear what you like. The implications of Bible law and magistrate law in tandem, have been explained to you. Don't like what you're hearing? I'm sorry. Asking the same questions over and over and expecting a different answer is nothing short of deranged.

The Bible tells us to rebuke, rebuke, and rebuke some more - in every way we can; because, for the moment, that's our only option. Stoning Witches and Gays is not the easiest option available (but as I, and others pointed out, is not entirely ruled out).

Furthermore, the very same law that (currently) allows you to be an atheist abomination freely, allows good pastors(such as Zeke and Levi, etc) the freedom and right not to wed abominable homersexuals, no matter where the legality of it rests.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ."

Forcing pastors to enable gay marriage is a violation of the above. Unless the pastor sells his soul and consents; it will never happen. This is YOUR secular democracy(NOT our Theocratic ideology) - if we're able to re contextualize this (provided the Christian right succeeds) it'll be much less malleable. There are some state constitutions that differ from our federal constitutions, in that they put a heavier jurisdiction on the Bible when electing judicial and congressional figures(Bless them).

[James Dewitt]

Re: I need a little help under standing Scripture.

That is not the question here, the question as you asked it is how does Titus 3:1, 1st Peter 2:13-15 and Romans 13:2-6 work with Acts 5:29

Are you that damn dumb? By my post I showed you that you can follow the word of God and Man at the same time!

No matter how foolish the law is.

[Jo Freddie]

Re: I need a little help under standing Scripture.

Your screenshot proves nothing, except you can misquote me. Tut tut.

I know what you posted, you know what you posted, I know you edited the posts, you know you edited the posts, that does not mater any more, now explain again how Titus 3:1, 1st Peter 2:13-15 and Romans 13:2-6 work with Acts 5:29.

[Jo Freddie]

Re: I need a little help under standing Scripture.

What the heck is so hard to understand, we follow the KJV1611, secular law and do what our Pastor tells us to do.
It not a hard concept is it? I think that if say a witch where trying to put a hex or spell on you, you would then have the right to defend your self( That is what secular law says)
Then stoning said witch would be allowed by the KJV1611, and secular law. If I feel that my life is in danger I do have the right to defend my self, YES?

That is not the question here, the question as you asked it is how does Titus 3:1, 1st Peter 2:13-15 and Romans 13:2-6 work with Acts 5:29

[Levi Jones]

Re: I need a little help under standing Scripture.

I love Jesus with all my heart and soul.

Your screenshot proves nothing, except you can misquote me. Tut tut.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: I need a little help under standing Scripture.

Look here, spaghetti bender; You have chosen to spit in God's loving face by inventing your own idiotic godmocking religion. There is nothing any of us could say to change your mind or convince you of the error of your ways because God has put a stumbling block before you. We are not going to waste our time playing "gotcha!" with you.

Just remember this: God will not be mocked! You're going to have to answer to Jesus come Judgment Day on bended knee for your blasphemy.

[James Dewitt]

Re: I need a little help under standing Scripture.

What the heck is so hard to understand, we follow the KJV1611, secular law and do what our Pastor tells us to do.
It not a hard concept is it? I think that if say a witch where trying to put a hex or spell on you, you would then have the right to defend your self( That is what secular law says)
Then stoning said witch would be allowed by the KJV1611, and secular law. If I feel that my life is in danger I do have the right to defend my self, YES?

[Jo Freddie]

Re: I need a little help under standing Scripture.

I shall ask you again, seeing as you feel you first answer so wrong you had to give it the Stalin treatment.

Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

But when you take that with:

Titus 3:1 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,

Hebrews 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

1st Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
1st Peter 2:14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
1st Peter 2:15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

Yet are we to follow a foolish man and his foolish law?

Romans 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Romans 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Romans 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Romans 13:5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
Romans 13:6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

But is it not "god's" law that the laws of man form part of the laws of "god?

Not just part of "god's" but in fact ordained by "god" himself?

[Jo Freddie]

Re: I need a little help under standing Scripture.

Wow noodle boy, you are coming off even nuttier than usual.

Fortunately I had another tab open with what I actually quoted from you before you edited it. and your original post.

Very bad form from you Levi Tut Tut.

[Levi Jones]

Re: I need a little help under standing Scripture.

Pardon?

Wow noodle boy, you are coming off even nuttier than usual.

[James Dewitt]

Re: I need a little help under standing Scripture.

Not liking a simple discussion about scripture Zekie Boy?

I am just trying to work out what your position is and how it is covered by the by the KJV-CFT re the position of secular Law and how it makes up part of, and is validated by your "god's" Law even when you don't like it.

Do you not want Jimmy question to be answered fully?

The Godly Pastors answered my question. I understand exactly what the said.

[Jo Freddie]

Re: I need a little help under standing Scripture.

Not only that, but the Holy Bible clearly tells us that obey Pastor’s orders!



So shut your yap, noodlehead!

Not liking a simple discussion about scripture Zekie Boy?

I am just trying to work out what your position is and how it is covered by the by the KJV-CFT re the position of secular Law and how it makes up part of, and is validated by your "god's" Law even when you don't like it.

Do you not want Jimmy question to be answered fully?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: I need a little help under standing Scripture.

Not only that, but the Holy Bible clearly tells us that obey Pastor’s orders!

Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

So shut your yap, noodlehead!