[Jo Freddie]

Re: I need a little help under standing Scripture.

Don't be ridiculous. I said we ought to follow the laws of God.

Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

Pardon?

Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

[Levi Jones]

Re: I need a little help under standing Scripture.

That is what the good Pastor seems to have said, to do otherwise is to mock your "god".

Don't be ridiculous. I said we ought to follow the laws of God.

Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

[James Dewitt]

Re: I need a little help under standing Scripture.

That is what the good Pastor seems to have said, to do otherwise is to mock your "god".

In accepting Gay Marriage into secular Law they are just saying it is permitted, they are not say you have to marry a man Jimmy.

Now personally I feel that it would be acceptable for a Pastor that does not accept Gay Marrage to refuse to perform the ceremony, as opposed to a sate official who, as part of their job has to perform such a service, if this causes them a problem then it is time to find a new job.

DUH I did not say that they where going to make me marry a man( I am sure that some where in their perverted minds that is exactly what they want) will the Government force a Godly Pastor like our own Pastor Ezekiel to perform the ceremony? If they pass a stupid law that says you can not deny a homer from getting married what is there to stop them from demanding a church wedding?

[Jo Freddie]

Re: I need a little help under standing Scripture.

If we have to follow Man's law no matter how stupid it is, what will happen when the Supreme court makes a law that says Homers and lesbo can be married? WHAT is going to happen to churches like ours( if there are any more) when a pair of homers demand that they be married in a Church by a Pastor?

That is what the good Pastor seems to have said, to do otherwise is to mock your "god".

In accepting Gay Marriage into secular Law they are just saying it is permitted, they are not say you have to marry a man Jimmy.

Now personally I feel that it would be acceptable for a Pastor that does not accept Gay Marrage to refuse to perform the ceremony, as opposed to a sate official who, as part of their job has to perform such a service, if this causes them a problem then it is time to find a new job.

[James Dewitt]

Re: I need a little help under standing Scripture.

If we have to follow Man's law no matter how stupid it is, what will happen when the Supreme court makes a law that says Homers and lesbo can be married? WHAT is going to happen to churches like ours( if there are any more) when a pair of homers demand that they be married in a Church by a Pastor?

[Jo Freddie]

Re: I need a little help under standing Scripture.

Give it up Jo Pasta. Just because someone asks a question does not mean you have to came around spilling your pasta sauce everywhere.

Would you say the same if the question had come from a "christian" Lisa?

Why do you object to me seeking clarification on the finer points of your "religion"?

We are taught by Our Lord Noodle to explore and understand all religions, as within all of them we will find examples of his Wisdom, each faith has something of The Flying Spaghetti Monster inside it, for all the "gods" that men have invented are attempts to understand his True nature.

[Lisa H]

Re: I need a little help under standing Scripture.

Does the same apply to unruly children and those of an alternative sexuality?

If this is the case have you been mocking your "god" by not having stoned any such people? Or have you never actually met a witch, anyone of alternative sexuality or had to deal with an unruly child?

I such a situation should you go straight to the Police so you can be dealt with under secular to make sure you are not mocking your "god"?

Give it up Jo Pasta. Just because someone asks a question does not mean you have to came around spilling your pasta sauce everywhere.

[Jo Freddie]

Re: I need a little help under standing Scripture.

Secular law does not actually forbid stoning witches. You are allowed to kill anyone if you feel they pose an immediate threat to you or someone else. Obviously a witch is a threat to anyone at any time, so there is no reason not to kill them, a good Christian jury and judge will set you free in no time.

Does the same apply to unruly children and those of an alternative sexuality?

If this is the case have you been mocking your "god" by not having stoned any such people? Or have you never actually met a witch, anyone of alternative sexuality or had to deal with an unruly child?

I such a situation should you go straight to the Police so you can be dealt with under secular to make sure you are not mocking your "god"?

[A Follower]

Re: I need a little help under standing Scripture.

Secular law does not actually forbid stoning witches. You are allowed to kill anyone if you feel they pose an immediate threat to you or someone else. Obviously a witch is a threat to anyone at any time, so there is no reason not to kill them, a good Christian jury and judge will set you free in no time.

[Jo Freddie]

Re: I need a little help under standing Scripture.

The fear of hell, (or even the possibility, for you atheists) should be enough to set you on the straight and narrow. It baffles the mind, why anyone would wilfully wish such excruciating torments upon themselves.

How well you show off your american education..

Atheism is commonly defined as the position that there are no deities. It can also mean the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. A broader definition is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.

I, Sir, am a Pastafarian, I believe in a deity, the One True Deity, Our Lord and Creator, The Lord Noodle Himself - The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

[CyberYahweh]

Re: I need a little help under standing Scripture.

I rebuke you, violently if need be, out of the Love of our Lord - not out of the desire to prove you wrong (which I happen to enjoy, Praise the Lord). You choose to spit it back in my face, is an insult. But, thanks to this very law that the current powers at be have put in place, I shall continue to rebuke you.

Though, since you openly admit to not having an American education(certainly explains a lot), I don't know if my words can get through that thick skull of yours with the ease in which they piece a True American's soul.

My Faith is very strong. My Faith shows me that God is REAL, and unfortunately for you, so is Hell.

The fear of hell, (or even the possibility, for you atheists) should be enough to set you on the straight and narrow. It baffles the mind, why anyone would willfully wish such excruciating torments upon themselves.

[Jo Freddie]

Re: I need a little help under standing Scripture.

Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

Thank you for making that very clear.

Jo Freddie - first and foremost, I meant exactly what I said. Secondly, Pastor Zeke is correct. All of those who throw my knowledge of judicial systems, and scripture, under the bus; I rebuke thee grievously - have you no Faith? Disappointing.

Far from having no faith, my faith in Our Lord is VERY strong and helps me greatly with my life, where we differ is That I KNOW who Our Lord IS.

Because we /are/ governed by secular law, we are forced to rebuke, rebuke, and rebuke some more - however brutal or inspired, the rebuking must be. We aren't afforded the option to kill, as the statutes of secular law currently prohibit, so we must ceaselessly rebuke.

This also is very clear position and I accept it as being in keep with what Zekie Boy and Levi have said.

Read my post with 1/4th of your American education, before speaking out of turn.

I am fortunate enough to not have had an american education.

Thanks to the double edged sword, freedom of speech - which our country holds so dearly; you will never be free from the harsh rebuke of your moral superiors. Just know that, for now, our legal options are limited to that, and you can go to sleep with both eyes closed.

I do not fear your rebuke, and I will always champion your right to do so, my faith, as I have said is strong and can withstand your attempts to rebuke me.

Regardless of what happens, Mr. Freddie, your place is in Hell, with all of your other secular queers. Say hi to that roasting Carl Sagan for me.

I understand the nature of God so I have no fear of your mythical Hell.

And Pray to your false macaroni lord, that we Christians don't take control of the governing body within your lifetime - you'll think being openly rebuked is a luxury.

Is your faith is so weak that if your kind were to gain control your fear would drive you to do more then trying to use your intellect to attempt to rebuke me?

[CyberYahweh]

Re: I need a little help under standing Scripture.

For example: As a form of rebuking my disobedient child, I could deny him or her food, or kick them out of my house/alienate them from my family. That's a highly effective form of rebuke, and it doesn't immediately break the current prevailing judicial code. This is a very effective way, of forcing the child to see the err of her/his ways, and return to God. However long they wish to suffer in their sin, is contingent upon them.

I've been rebuked many times in my life - leading me to this path of humility and righteousness. You're just too deluded to see that I, in no way, contradicted Pastor Ezekial Flint, even in the slightest. I know my Bible, and I know the implications of law, statutes, and the penal system.

[CyberYahweh]

Re: I need a little help under standing Scripture.

Jo Freddie - first and foremost, I meant exactly what I said. Secondly, Pastor Zeke is correct. All of those who throw my knowledge of judicial systems, and scripture, under the bus; I rebuke thee grievously - have you no Faith? Disappointing.

How is what I say possible, you ask?

1 Timothy 5:20
"Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear."

This is easily achievable within the statutes of law. The Bible plans for there to be regulated governments, which is why it asserts the statutes that're set in place.

Luke 17:3
Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

Indeed so. Rebuke he who trespasses against thee, he who sins - as each apostle makes very clear. That's the chief objective of a proselyte/preacher.

Though, what does the old testament say?

Deuteronomy 21:18-21
"If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear."

Indeed so - this is the penitence that's commonly prescribed to a great number of transgressions throughout the old testament. Why don't we resort to this first and foremost, at every instance? The apostles(ref. above, are Paul and Luke), give us a much more arduous task, in the new testament: rebuke.

Because we /are/ governed by secular law, we are forced to rebuke, rebuke, and rebuke some more - however brutal or inspired, the rebuking must be. We aren't afforded the option to kill, as the statutes of secular law currently prohibit, so we must ceaselessly rebuke.

There are a panoply of methods for rebuking; each effective in its own way: proselytizing, street preaching, secretly beating, alienating, and many other methods in which we can legally force the light of the truth on those who aren't right by God. LBC is a shining example, of a pantheon of people who ardently and fiercely rebuke all of those who are ill with sin. It's a hard pill to swallow (you especially would know, you rotting atheist), but those that finally break, and see the light, are saved in a way that you couldn't possibly understand. Of course, sometimes rebuking seemingly fails, and one might move to the final solution. Note that: The current judicial system is malleable, if the circumstances are correct, and your lawyer is well versed - you may achieve the old testament solution within the statutes of the law. Regardless, even if the law defeats you, you're still good by God - so long as you're willing to pay the time for your crime - as in Jail, they're still serving within the statutes of the law. Most understand that, even though they failed to rebuke and suffered from the local law; they're still (contingent on their penitence and vicarious redemption) afforded a seat in heaven.

We Christians can only pray for a more suitable, Conservative Christian (and True American, might I add) government to take a root; and prosper in this self damning lieberal cesspool, so we can enforce more pure and theocratic laws on faggots and whoremongers such as yourself, but until then, we can only rebuke you. In summary, we limit our arsenal to the law, so long as the law doesn't directly contradict the bible (award bad children, allow homosexuals to freely sodomize you, etc). Read my post with 1/4th of your American education, before speaking out of turn.

Thanks to the double edged sword, freedom of speech - which our country holds so dearly; you will never be free from the harsh rebuke of your moral superiors. Just know that, for now, our legal options are limited to that, and you can go to sleep with both eyes closed.

Regardless of what happens, Mr. Freddie, your place is in Hell, with all of your other secular queers. Say hi to that roasting Carl Sagan for me.

And Pray to your false macaroni lord, that we Christians don't take control of the governing body within your lifetime - you'll think being openly rebuked is a luxury.

[Levi Jones]

Re: I need a little help under standing Scripture.

But is it not "god's" law that the laws of man form part of the laws of "god?

Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.