[Dr Clifford Ross]

Re: Australian Baptist following

PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.
JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

DEU 14:11 Of all clean birds ye shall eat.
DEU 14:12 But these are they of which ye shall not eat: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
DEU 14:13 And the glede, and the kite, and the vulture after his kind,
DEU 14:14 And every raven after his kind,
DEU 14:15 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,
DEU 14:16 The little owl, and the great owl, and the swan,
DEU 14:17 And the pelican, and the gier eagle, and the cormorant,
DEU 14:18 And the stork, and the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.

PS.92:12: "The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree."
ISA.57:1: "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart."


The bible is a text that cannot be taken literally, it must be interpreted and the reader must justify its teachings.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Australian Baptist following

When you read a text, any text, the information there is more than what is literally printed in the black and white. Its the context that is read between the lines, the message the work conveys.

Reading between the lines? Please explain how that is different from inserting whatever meaning you want to find.

Taking scripture in context means taking account of the surrounding text.

If you read the bible word for word, you will see numerous conflicts and contradictions.

That is an outrageous lie! You have just outed yourself as an atheist troll. There are no contradictions in the Bible, when the text is understood in context.

God's Word is kept pure, as He promised.

This is where the readers judgment comes into play.

Billy Reuben, I would appreciate it if you were to show me where my context and interpretation of these readings falters. Because I believe that you are the one taking individual quotations literally and out of context.

Of course I take the Bible literally. God said that scripture is not open to private interpretation (2 Peter 1:20). You are the one who is asserting that your own private interpretation is the way to go.

God doesn't speak in riddles. The meaning of the text is plain.

Name one place where I have taken scripture out of context.

To answer your question, you said this:

John 4:20
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

How can you all call yourselves true Christians when so many of you are so willing to immediately post hateful remarks about various races dependent upon their skin colour, their cultural background and where they live.

What does the verse you cited have to do with your comment? Our brother in this verse refers to our fellow Christians, not everyone in the world. Please learn to look words up in the dictionary.

You also said this:

Here marks the point where followers of the true faith from areas of god's earth not residing in Hicksville Tennessee can come and shine their colours. Romans 12:10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another

If you would read the whole chapter of Romans, you would learn that Romans 12 is about how we are supposed to treat our fellow Christians.

This is what I mean when I say you are skipping around from one out-of-context verse to the next, relying on your own made-up definitions of words, to support your hippie philosophy and private interpretation.

Of course your context to you could be pointing you down this path of thinking.

My "context" is that the Bible is God's Word to man. It isn't a pick-and-choose salad buffet. We are to read and believe the whole thing.

The whole concept of religion is to open one's mind and appreciate the world around yourself.

Please cite scripture to back up this assertion.

Having such closed in, segregated views on the world and how it should be run is not in the Bible's teachings.

Yes, it is.

2 Cor. 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2 Cor. 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
2 Cor. 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2 Cor. 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

Genesis 16:5 The lord judge between me and thee.

So now you stooping to quoting pieces of verses rather than the whole thing. Your arguments are really getting pathetic, "doctor".

Lev 19:15 In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

And before you all try to tell me how to interpret the good book and cast judgment on me,

We don't want you to "interpret" the Bible at all. We just want you to read it and believe it, and stop trying to "interpret" your way out of the parts you don't like.

how about you do something about your own followers on this website who are repetitively sinning, disrespecting others, causing conflict based on race, gender, and sexuality.

We are only sinning based on your made-up interpretation of sin, so I am not worried about it. We remain true to the Word of God.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Dr Clifford Ross]

Re: Australian Baptist following

So it is the reader that will judge what the Bible is "really" trying to say? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Where in the Bible (quote please) does God give the reader the authority to interpret it as they please?

So, my friend, you're saying that you don't judge, think about or try to interpret the bible? You follow it word for word, even when there are obvious conflicts of times and events?

The bible is a teaching, yes, however it cannot be taken as a direct manual to follow. It teaches morals on how to live your life.

Of course, there is nowhere in the bible that says this. But for that matter, there is nowhere that states "This book must be read and followed word for word". This is where the readers interpretation comes into play.

A True Christian should know this.

[Deaner]

Re: Australian Baptist following

If you read the bible word for word, you will see numerous conflicts and contradictions. This is where the readers judgment comes into play.

So it is the reader that will judge what the Bible is "really" trying to say? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Where in the Bible (quote please) does God give the reader the authority to interpret it as they please?

[Dr Clifford Ross]

Re: Australian Baptist following

And before you all try to tell me how to interpret the good book and cast judgment on me, how about you do something about your own followers on this website who are repetitively sinning, disrespecting others, causing conflict based on race, gender, and sexuality.

There are more Sinners here that call themselves "True Christians" than the people coming here to contest with them.

[Dr Clifford Ross]

Re: Australian Baptist following

Partake in the discussion then you may start "yelling" at me.

I have admitted to occasional counts of judgment, and yes by definitions can be held as hypocrisy. However I am not making attacks, am not abusing people, and am not just trying to scare another informed person off a discussion board for the sake of trying to spot someones falterings.
I would apologise again, however I am judging people's opinions here, not judging people based on where they live, and what colour their epidermal pigmentation happens to be.

Please, offer some intelligent input into our conversation, i'd be delighted to hear what you have to say, so long as it's sensible.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Australian Baptist following

Hold on just a minute.

You said all of this:

I'm sorry, but I have to label this kind of reply as Hypocrisy as well.

So far on this site all I have seen is out of context bible quotes to make someone's misguided attack

trying to make yourself sound bigger than someone else.

By all definitions, most threads on here start as or become hate threads.

Being home schooled, even straight from the bible, is a very limited way to gain an education. With only one point of reference to draw your context from, you will live in a very closed off little world.

I would class the antics of these forum goers as anything but 'pure'.

such people can hold such insanely closed off concepts of reality.

I look forward to participating in threads here that actually want to spread the word of love, and not smear the word of anyone who doesn't read the bible

And then you say this:

Do not judge. It is not your place.

HOW DARE YOU call us hypocrites!

[Dr Clifford Ross]

Re: Australian Baptist following

When you read a text, any text, the information there is more than what is literally printed in the black and white. Its the context that is read between the lines, the message the work conveys.
If you read the bible word for word, you will see numerous conflicts and contradictions. This is where the readers judgment comes into play.

Now Juliette, i'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you this, but the internet does not represent the users physical appearance. If I posted a picture of Jesus, you'd appreciate it, but it would not represent me.
Having a picture next to your display name holds no relevance to a persons appearance, gender, race, or any other attribute other than personal taste. If you knew your teachings you would see its a "representation" of the Virgin Mary.
Not to mention, Doctors can be female as well.

Billy Reuben, I would appreciate it if you were to show me where my context and interpretation of these readings falters. Because I believe that you are the one taking individual quotations literally and out of context.

Of course your context to you could be pointing you down this path of thinking. The whole concept of religion is to open one's mind and appreciate the world around yourself. Having such closed in, segregated views on the world and how it should be run is not in the Bible's teachings.

Genesis 16:5
The lord judge between me and thee.

[Deaner]

Re: Australian Baptist following

If you are a true student of these teachings, you'll know that regardless of the literal interpretation of the bible's word...

Regardless of what it says in the Bible? Why would you follow a book where you have to disregard parts of what's written in it?

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Australian Baptist following

If you are a true student of these teachings, you'll know that regardless of the literal interpretation of the bible's word, it is a sin to call any person on this earth a belittling name, racially classing and segregating them, and generally spreading 'hate'.

Did Jesus sin when he called the Jews a generation of vipers and killers of the prophets?

We are all children of god, whether we read a bible or a playboy. We just lead different paths.

That's true. However there are many paths to damnation and only one path to Salvation. Do you fault us for trying to wake people up to this fact, so that they can change which path they are on?

Do not judge. It is not your place.

Friend, have you ever read the Bible? I mean all of it, not just skipping around from one out-of-context passage to the next, trying to justify your hippie philosophy.

It is our place to judge. We are commanded to judge righteous judgment. We are not to judge hypocritically, but fairly, by the standard which we wish to be judged.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Juliette]

Re: Australian Baptist following

Which quotes have I made up? Both there are taken straight from the King James Version. I suggest you pick up the good book my son.

And mister Nobar, I don't believe you have the right to be calling Hypocrisy and Bigotry considering most, if not all, of your past posts on this community.

Don't insult Brother Nobar ever again heathen.

And what are you? Man or woman? Dr with a female avatar. That's crossdressing friend.

God hates you for that being an abomination.

Deuteronomy 22:5



The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

[Dr Clifford Ross]

Re: Australian Baptist following

Well at least you're more original than quoting John 3:16! But still, honestly, do you only quote the verses of the Bible that make you feel good? Because there are a whole host of others that direct us to put away those that reject the Word of God, people like you.

I'm sorry, but I have to label this kind of reply as Hypocrisy as well. So far on this site all I have seen is out of context bible quotes to make someone's misguided attack more "legitimate" to make them sound more aware of the lords teachings.
I'm taking quotes that relate to my point. Lets leave it at that, instead of trying to make yourself sound bigger than someone else.

No offense however.

Just because you call our posts "hateful" doesn't mean that they are.

If you are a true student of these teachings, you'll know that regardless of the literal interpretation of the bible's word, it is a sin to call any person on this earth a belittling name, racially classing and segregating them, and generally spreading 'hate'.
There are numerous hate threads at other religions, races, etc. The lord does not want you to slander these people, simply not associate with them other than when you try to convince them of the right path.

By all definitions, most threads on here start as or become hate threads.

The Truth™

Don't try to trademark a word like 'Truth'. Thats just ridiculous.

But if their "culture" or so-called "genes" cause them to steal hub caps or drink malt liquor, then that is despised by God, and it is our duty as Christians and Americans to set them straight.

This is a racial generalisation. Refer to what I was saying above. Genetically all we are here for is to procreate, however here we are, sitting on our own inventions such as chairs, and the computers we're browsing from, discussing the philosophies of life.

I suspect that it is you that judges people based on where they're from....

I admit to that point of hypocrisy and I apologise. However let he who be without sin cast the first stone.

Jesus appreciates the people living the simple life. It is so easy to get led astray by the "college educated" masses

And you call yourself a scientific advisor. Being home schooled, even straight from the bible, is a very limited way to gain an education. With only one point of reference to draw your context from, you will live in a very closed off little world.

which is why it is far easier to stay pure living in a rural area like Tennessee. For some reason, you seem to feel hatred towards these pious people preparing for pre-rapture problems.

Travel the world and learn. I would class the antics of these forum goers as anything but 'pure'. I feel no hatred, just sadness that such people can hold such insanely closed off concepts of reality.

Friend you are in the right place You will be able to witness some truly brotherly love here between Brothers and Sisters in Christ. I hope you're not insinuating that we don't love each other here in the Fold™?

I look forward to participating in threads here that actually want to spread the word of love, and not smear the word of anyone who doesn't read the bible. We are all children of god, whether we read a bible or a playboy. We just lead different paths.

Do not judge. It is not your place. Judgment comes, but not from the masses on a web forum.

[One-eyed Jack]

Re: Australian Baptist following

God divides mankind into two broad categories:

1. the Saved, the Righteous, the Brethren; and
2. the damned, the unrighteous, the heathen.

In general, God commands the believers to treat the Brethren well. However, we are called to "execute vengeance on the heathen". The heathen are our enemies:

Also I said, It is not good that ye do: ought ye not to walk in the fear of our God because of the reproach of the heathen our enemies? Nehemiah 5:9

There is ample scripture explaining that the Brethren ought not have warm feelings for those who are not of the faith.

And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 2 Corinthians 6:15

God judges the iniquitous harshly indeed!

Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man. Psalm 5:6

And likewise we Christians are called to pass judgment on those who are not of our faith, and show them their abominations:

Now, thou son of man, wilt thou judge, wilt thou judge the bloody city? yea, thou shalt shew her all her abominations. Ezekiel 22:2

At Landover we love and honor our brethren and sistern as commanded by the Bible, and we righteously smack down on the iniquitous, the heathen, the unbelievers, and the haters of Christ Jesus.

~~ OEJ

[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

Re: Australian Baptist following

John 4:20
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

Well at least you're more original than quoting John 3:16! But still, honestly, do you only quote the verses of the Bible that make you feel good? Because there are a whole host of others that direct us to put away those that reject the Word of God, people like you.

How can you all call yourselves true Christians when so many of you are so willing to immediately post hateful remarks about various races dependent upon their skin colour, their cultural background and where they live.

Just because you call our posts "hateful" doesn't mean that they are. The Truth(tm) hurts--it is a double edged sword. Just because you don't like the truth doesn't mean that we're being hateful. We don't hate the negroes because they're black, far from it! We try to show them the Light of Jesus that can wash them White as Snow! But if their "culture" or so-called "genes" cause them to steal hub caps or drink malt liquor, then that is despised by God, and it is our duty as Christians and Americans to set them straight. Based on what you say next, I suspect that it is you that judges people based on where they're from....

Here marks the point where followers of the true faith from areas of god's earth not residing in Hicksville Tennessee can come and shine their colours.

Jesus appreciates the people living the simple life. It is so easy to get led astray by the "college educated" masses, which is why it is far easier to stay pure living in a rural area like Tennessee. For some reason, you seem to feel hatred towards these pious people preparing for pre-rapture problems.

Romans 12:10

Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another

Friend you are in the right place You will be able to witness some truly brotherly love here between Brothers and Sisters in Christ. I hope you're not insinuating that we don't love each other here in the Fold(tm)?

[Dr Clifford Ross]

Re: Australian Baptist following

Brother, we don't like it when people make up Bible quotes around here.

Which quotes have I made up? Both there are taken straight from the King James Version. I suggest you pick up the good book my son.

And mister Nobar, I don't believe you have the right to be calling Hypocrisy and Bigotry considering most, if not all, of your past posts on this community.