[Captain James T. Kirk]

Re: God is

Thank you kirk, we can now longer say that this ontological argument thread is circular-argument free!

Why do only the brain-dead atheists come here?

LOL! That's nice, instead of explaining to me why I'm wrong about you being wrong, insult me. I thought you were playing at being a Christian, but not only are you one, you're a conservative too.
Your arguments have been flat, linguistic games with no real substance and a lot of "this is so because I say it's so". Let me guess... Second year philosophy student?

[Unfalsifiable]

Re: God is

LOL! That's nice, instead of explaining to me why I'm wrong about you being wrong, insult me. I thought you were playing at being a Christian, but not only are you one, you're a conservative too.
Your arguments have been flat, linguistic games with no real substance and a lot of "this is so because I say it's so". Let me guess... Second year philosophy student?

Uh I said that because the argument you presented was circular, you said "all you've said is wrong" which is a foundationless, circular argument a brain-dead person would use.

Now you have the cheek in hypocritical demanding that I tell you why you are wrong! When that is the very thing you could not do to me! For I am not wrong in what I say, you've just said that I am on the basis that you have said that I am. Circular (Ad hom).

And Lion, your reasoning is disjointed as you take predicates of things that aren't predicates of things. The ontological argument breaks down unless you are talking about God.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: God is

The confusion here lies in the fact that nothing can be perfect but God, pantheism covers Atheist Joe's cheeky lie.

God can create anything, even 'perfect' things as you call them, but people use the adjective perfect in sloppy unphilosophical ways. To create perfection of course, God could create himself, and we know that he is self causing so again it makes sense.

Before going any further, it is necessary to discuss Supralapsarianism, Infralapsarianism, Amyraldism and Arminianism. The correct acceptance of one of these conflicting theological philosophies will put into perspective the concept of “perfect” as far as the choice of those who will enter heaven is concerned.

(I would be obliged if you would address these points and include reference to an indivisible Trinity – a timeless God spanning both Testaments.)

To help, I give you the following qualitative definition of “Perfect.” It does not encompass Holy Deeds which may or may not be ineffable. Remember, even those we think we understand many have an entirely different explanation that only time and The Lord may, or may not, reveal.

“Perfect”, in Man, must mean “worthy of entrance to heaven”. God admits souls to heaven; therefore there must be perfect people upon earth. Who are these men and how do they become perfect? (see the options above.)

“Perfect” in other objects must mean, “entirely fit for purpose.” (The fact that an object looks better to you in red rather than green is neither here nor there.)

There is also the consideration that the universe in its entirety is perfect. It may not seem perfect when you can’t find your car keys, but this is a minor consideration in the scale of the universe. Brother Ahimaaz Smith has correctly and succinctly pointed out, the universe and all that was and is in it was created perfectly – Eve, the Jews and the Unsaved™ have messed it up and we at Landover recognize this.

Please continue…

[Underpants Gnome]

Re: God is

Wow you,...
(personal attack and childish tanturm deleted)
If we postulate the greatest being which no greater can be conceived, then we are postulating the greatest being that no greater can be conceived.

,…and you are using it to claim the Christian god exists and I am showed a 1920’s horror writer came up with a greater god for his stories. By your' own "logic" the Christian god doesn’t exist then.

So there is no sense in saying "but I can conceive of greater", that is not logical, you can't conceive greater then the greatest thing that you can conceive of.

Stop putting words into my mouth. I said I can imagine something greater than what you Christians can imagine.

That proves God doesn't exist?
(personal attack deleted)
Not only do people frequently tell us they have experienced supernatural events, it doesn't matter if they are telling the truth or not. God is done with 'magic' as after he sent Jesus to die for our sins he hasn't needed to use anything more.

Hasn’t stood up to careful scrutiny includes your' bible. No supernatural, no god.

[Unfalsifiable]

Re: God is

,…and you are using it to claim the Christian god exists and I am showed a 1920’s horror writer came up with a greater god for his stories. By your' own "logic" the Christian god doesn’t exist then.



Stop putting words into my mouth. I said I can imagine something greater than what you Christians can imagine.



Hasn’t stood up to careful scrutiny includes your' bible. No supernatural, no god.

No only did I already answer this question, I answered it TO YOU. Forth page, first post.

This is why people like you get called things like brain-dead.

Here AGAIN is the post I made:

I already answered this, why are you repeating yourself and embarrassing yourself as you go along?

I said the thing of which nothing greater can be conceived, you said you could conceive of greater (illogical).

Anyway, to wash away the poor method of your post and get to the heart of it (again) you are saying how do we know what this greatest perfect God IS. You have been unable to say that he does not exist, so now you are asking what he is.

Well for that we just look at the Bible, we have established he exists with logic, there was going to be no better prize offered. What he is, is another question.

[Nobar King]

Re: God is

(I would be obliged if you would address these points and include reference to an indivisible Trinity – a timeless God spanning both Testaments.)

Give the poor guy a few weeks to respond to this one, he's a little slow.

[Underpants Gnome]

Re: God is

No only did I already answer this question, I answered it TO YOU. Forth page, first post.

This is why people like you get called things like brain-dead.

Here AGAIN is the post I made:

LoL, You're not even trying. "brain-dead" (snicker) That high comedy coming from you. You're just barfing up something out of a collage text book that you don’t understand yourself. This is hilarious, you are using an argument that disproves your’ own faith and you don’t have the wit to realize it.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: God is

LoL, You're not even trying. "brain-dead" (snicker) That high comedy coming from you. You're just barfing up something out of a collage text book that you don’t understand yourself. This is hilarious, you are using an argument that disproves your’ own faith and you don’t have the wit to realize it.

Bob L,

I know you are a guest here but you are skating on thin ice Monkey Worshiper. You are coming perilously close to mocking our deeply held beliefs.

Jesus didn't die on the cross so you could play mental games in His favorite forum. Now apologize to Unfalsifable and admit he is right! My banning finger is quivering with anger here Bob L.

[Underpants Gnome]

Re: God is

Bob L,

I know you are a guest here but you are skating on thin ice Monkey Worshiper. You are coming perilously close to mocking our deeply held beliefs.

Jesus didn't die on the cross so you could play mental games in His favorite forum. Now apologize to Unfalsifable and admit he is right! My banning finger is quivering with anger here Bob L.

Okay the God is a perfect failure is a little over the line but you have to be kidding I have to apologize to that kid for him having a stupid argument for the existence of god.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: God is

Okay the God is a perfect failure is a little over the line but you have to be kidding I have to apologize to that kid for him having a stupid argument for the existence of god.

Look my emitcon, Does it look I am joking? The only way you could have proved God doesn't exist is if Satan aided you. I am quite serious Bob L; apologize if you want to keep on posting.

[Underpants Gnome]

Re: God is

Look my emitcon, Does it look I am joking? The only way you could have proved God doesn't exist is if Satan aided you. I am quite serious Bob L; apologize if you want to keep on posting.

What? "666 points infraction points for calling upon the powers of Satan"?

Okay, I am sorry for, er what ever.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: God is

LoL, You're not even trying. "brain-dead" (snicker) That high comedy coming from you. You're just barfing up something out of a collage text book that you don’t understand yourself. This is hilarious, you are using an argument that disproves your’ own faith and you don’t have the wit to realize it.

I haven't read this entire thread through, but from what I've seen it seems you hateful and godless atheists has done little but mock brother Unfalsifable.
While as per usual, you have very little to contribute in the way of actual arguments.


Why don't you tell me, in a short summary, just what you're having a problem with here?
Personally, I am quite amused by your ability to "create" an issue (the discussion about perfection) when there really isn't one.
If you atheists actually argue that a perfect being could be non-existant yet remain perfect, then you obviously have problems with logical thinking.

Cause of all the possible states of existance imaginable, non-existance is obviously the most flawed.
For that which is non-existant cannot interact with anything, nor accomplish anything:
But you fools are seriously claiming that a perfect being could be unable to accomplish anything and yet remain perfect?!

Perfection would include the ability to do everything: omnipotence.
However, as explained above, an entity cannot be both omnipotent and non-existant.
And so you actually consider a completely IMPOTENT being to be perfect!
How stupid can one get?


Do you see this, any parents reading?
This is what happens when children grow up to be atheists. Epidemic brain rot.

[Underpants Gnome]

Re: God is

I haven't read this entire thread through, but from what I've seen it seems you hateful and godless atheists has done little but mock brother Unfalsifable.
While as per usual, you have very little to contribute in the way of actual arguments.


Why don't you tell me, in a short summary, just what you're having a problem with here?
Personally, I am quite amused by your ability to "create" an issue (the discussion about perfection) when there really isn't one.
If you atheists actually argue that a perfect being could be non-existant yet remain perfect, then you obviously have problems with logical thinking.

Cause of all the possible states of existance imaginable, non-existance is obviously the most flawed.
For that which is non-existant cannot interact with anything, nor accomplish anything:
But you fools are seriously claiming that a perfect being could be unable to accomplish anything and yet remain perfect?!

Perfection would include the ability to do everything: omnipotence.
However, as explained above, an entity cannot be both omnipotent and non-existant.
And so you actually consider a completely IMPOTENT being to be perfect!
How stupid can one get?


Do you see this, any parents reading?
This is what happens when children grow up to be atheists. Epidemic brain rot.

Okay doky, let's see if I follow you; you have this perfect being you imagined. To be perfect, like you imagined it, it has to exist, therefor it exists. Am I following this correctly?

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: God is

Okay doky, let's see if I follow you; you have this perfect being you imagined. To be perfect, like you imagined it, it has to exist, therefor it exists. Am I following this correctly?

Not really, no.
I was simply trying to tell you that a perfect being cannot be non-existant. A perfect being must exist for it to be perfect.
Thus, if God actually WAS non-existant, He would most surely be non-perfect.
Simple as that. But it still seems it went right over your little head.

And at the moment it is all too bad for you that God does very much exist.
But it doesn't have to be that way.. God doesn't have to be your enemy, He can be your friend instead.
And a better friend you will never find, Glory!
Please, will you not accept Jesus Christ as your personal Savior?
For only He can save you from your sins and thus hell.

[ForGodsSake]

Re: God is

Okay doky, let's see if I follow you; you have this perfect being you imagined. To be perfect, like you imagined it, it has to exist, therefor it exists. Am I following this correctly?

Revelation 1:8 (KJV)
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

There you go, GOD exist end of story. Now repent heathen.