[Dago 4chan fag]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

Nowhere in that list do you mention helping people avoid an eternity of Hell. You are practically escorting them to Satan's Torture Chamber.
That's pretty darn cruel in my book.

Really? You can be as good a person as you like, but, if you don't believe in him, even though he never actually "Does" anything to give you reason to believe in him, well, that's it, he sends you off to be tortured for all eternity? It wouldn't be so bad if god sent me a spiritual E-mail or something.

Now THAT'S pretty cruel in my book.

Consider something for me: How am I (not you, not your friend, not Barack Obama, but me.) Supposed to know which religion is the "correct" one? How exactly can god expect that of me? He's given me no reason to think that the Christian Bible is any more valid than the Qur'an, or any book on evolution. So how can he expect me to choose?

Here's my honest, heartfelt, truest belief: If there is a god, a god who loves us, a god who loves me, he would, as would a loving parent to any child, know that all I can do is my best. I believe that if there is a loving god, instead of picking any one religion and risk it being wrong and angering him that I should follow the basic, underlying principles of all religions: Be good to your fellow man, help then, care for them. If I can do that, then he should accept me.
If I do do that, and he doesn't, even though he knows what's in my heart, he knows why I never picked a single religion, and I've still tried my best to better the lives of others around me, and he STILL sends me, and others like me to be tortured for all eternity, then I don't WANT to go to heaven, because a god like that isn't loving, a god like that is a monster.

Although honestly I don't believe there is a god. But if there is, and he is perfect, and he knows WHY I don't think he exists, surely he should respect that belief, especially when he's done nothing to try to change it.

[James Hutchins]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

Friend, you can do what you want. But teasing the disabled into thinking they will ever be normal is cruel. They are disabled for a reason. They are still disabled because they refuse to make amends to Jesus. All you are doing is damning them to an eternity of misery. If you instead had them pray to God to heal them, if they are honest, God will do just that.

So tell me, which is worse, teasing a defective bad person with the fruits of being normal and the potential to be loved by everyone or actually helping them achieve Salvation(r)?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

Really? You can be as good a person as you like, but, if you don't believe in him, even though he never actually "Does" anything to give you reason to believe in him, well, that's it, he sends you off to be tortured for all eternity? It wouldn't be so bad if god sent me a spiritual E-mail or something.

Now THAT'S pretty cruel in my book.

But He HAS sent you reasons to believe in Him. He compiled an entire Holy Bible as a spiritual love letter to you - you personally! He knows who you are, what you think, what you fear, everything about you. He even knows the very hairs on your head, that's how intimately He knows you.

But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
Matthew 10:30

Consider something for me: How am I (not you, not your friend, not Barack HUSSEIN Obama, but me.) Supposed to know which religion is the "correct" one? How exactly can god expect that of me? He's given me no reason to think that the Christian Bible is any more valid than the Qur'an, or any book on evolution. So how can he expect me to choose?

You have all the information available to you, and still He led you to us! What you can do now is read the Holy Bible, His Love Letter to you, and find out just what He wants you to know. Don't assume you know it because you've heard a few stories here and there. Sit down and take the time to read it, really read it carefully. Listen to what He is trying to tell you. Don't take anything for granted, and simply read the words as they are written, not as you think they should be written - that's very important and a problem many people have today.

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Romans 10:17

Here's my honest, heartfelt, truest belief: If there is a god, a god who loves us, a god who loves me, he would, as would a loving parent to any child, know that all I can do is my best. I believe that if there is a loving god, instead of picking any one religion and risk it being wrong and angering him that I should follow the basic, underlying principles of all religions: Be good to your fellow man, help then, care for them. If I can do that, then he should accept me.

The problem with this is that without the Holy Spirit embedded in your soul, you cannot know what is "good to your fellow man" because your moral compass will be askew. You could be helping them go straight to Hell and not know it. Why take that chance?

For the choir director: on Mahalath. A Davidic Maskil. The fool says in his heart, "God does not exist."
They are corrupt, and they do vile deeds. There is no one who does good.
Psalm 53:1

If I do do that, and he doesn't, even though he knows what's in my heart, he knows why I never picked a single religion, and I've still tried my best to better the lives of others around me, and he STILL sends me, and others like me to be tortured for all eternity, then I don't WANT to go to heaven, because a god like that isn't loving, a god like that is a monster.

It may seem that way to our human minds, but if you think about it, God created this entire universe. He created you and me. We are His to do with what He will. Do your things demand you to treat them the way they want? No! You use your things according to how you think they ought to be used, according to how you want to use them. It's the same with God. We may think, according to our flawed logic, that He should be doing something different, but that's presumptuous and arrogant on our part. Instead, we should respond in gratitude.

God thundereth marvellously with his voice; great things doeth he, which we cannot comprehend.
Job 37:5

Although honestly I don't believe there is a god. But if there is, and he is perfect, and he knows WHY I don't think he exists, surely he should respect that belief, especially when he's done nothing to try to change it.

How do you know He hasn't? Look around you, see what kinds of clues He's been sending you.

Open your heart to Him, and see how much He can change your life!

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

I'm Atheist/Agnostic.

Well, which are you? An atheist says there is no God; an agnostic says he doesn't know whether God exists.

I help the disabled read at my school.
I give medical assistance even to people I don't like.
I take care of peoples pets when their away.
I donate to third world counties and various animal charities.
I've been to Peru and helped to build a school for the local children.
I aspire to become a doctor, for the satisfaction of helping others.
I'm forever giving things to people who need them.
I help pick litter from the streets with the golden lions.

Am I a bad person?

Yes. You think that doing all these things makes you a good person? A good man hears God's Word and obeys.

Mat 7:24-27 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Jn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Really? You can be as good a person as you like, but, if you don't believe in him, even though he never actually "Does" anything to give you reason to believe in him, well, that's it, he sends you off to be tortured for all eternity?

No. Without God, you cannot be a good person.

Jer 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

You are by nature evil.

Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Whatever good works you think you have done are not good enough for God.

Is 64:6a But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags.

It wouldn't be so bad if god sent me a spiritual E-mail or something.

God has given you the Bible. What more do you want?

Lk 16:31 If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Consider something for me: How am I (not you, not your friend, not Barack HUSSEIN Obama, but me.) Supposed to know which religion is the "correct" one? How exactly can god expect that of me? He's given me no reason to think that the Christian Bible is any more valid than the Qur'an, or any book on evolution. So how can he expect me to choose?

Here's my honest, heartfelt, truest belief: If there is a god, a god who loves us, a god who loves me, he would, as would a loving parent to any child, know that all I can do is my best. I believe that if there is a loving god, instead of picking any one religion and risk it being wrong and angering him that I should follow the basic, underlying principles of all religions: Be good to your fellow man, help then, care for them. If I can do that, then he should accept me.
If I do do that, and he doesn't, even though he knows what's in my heart, he knows why I never picked a single religion, and I've still tried my best to better the lives of others around me, and he STILL sends me, and others like me to be tortured for all eternity, then I don't WANT to go to heaven, because a god like that isn't loving, a god like that is a monster.

Although honestly I don't believe there is a god. But if there is, and he is perfect, and he knows WHY I don't think he exists, surely he should respect that belief, especially when he's done nothing to try to change it.

You know deep down that God exists and that the God of the Bible is the only true God. You're just in denial.

Rom 1:18-20 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.

The existence of God, our God, is manifest in creation. It is only out of your unrighteousness that you suppress the truth.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

Really? You can be as good a person as you like, but, if you don't believe in him, even though he never actually "Does" anything to give you reason to believe in him, well, that's it, he sends you off to be tortured for all eternity? It wouldn't be so bad if god sent me a spiritual E-mail or something.

Now THAT'S pretty cruel in my book.

Consider something for me: How am I (not you, not your friend, not Barack HUSSEIN Obama, but me.) Supposed to know which religion is the "correct" one? How exactly can god expect that of me? He's given me no reason to think that the Christian Bible is any more valid than the Qur'an, or any book on evolution. So how can he expect me to choose?

Here's my honest, heartfelt, truest belief: If there is a god, a god who loves us, a god who loves me, he would, as would a loving parent to any child, know that all I can do is my best. I believe that if there is a loving god, instead of picking any one religion and risk it being wrong and angering him that I should follow the basic, underlying principles of all religions: Be good to your fellow man, help then, care for them. If I can do that, then he should accept me.
If I do do that, and he doesn't, even though he knows what's in my heart, he knows why I never picked a single religion, and I've still tried my best to better the lives of others around me, and he STILL sends me, and others like me to be tortured for all eternity, then I don't WANT to go to heaven, because a god like that isn't loving, a god like that is a monster.

Although honestly I don't believe there is a god. But if there is, and he is perfect, and he knows WHY I don't think he exists, surely he should respect that belief, especially when he's done nothing to try to change it.

Dear friend,

As I'm sure you know, there is no greater gift than the gift of life. All other gifts are conditional on it. So I'm sure you can imagine, as a giving soul, that the greatest experience in life is that of bringing new life into the world. Well, as a loving parent of four sons and some daughters, I can personally vouch for this fact.

As a parent, I understand what it is like to wrestle between wanting to protect your child's safety, and your child's freedom. Ultimately, one cannot have it both ways. When your child roams freely about the house, there are many precautions that can be taken to protect its safety, all of which are impediments to that child's freedom.

So when a child exercises its God given free will to wander into the kitchen and reaches for a pot of boiling water on the edge of the stove, what do you do? Do you refuse the child's right to act freely?

Of course not! You let the child pull the scalding water down over its head, so that it gets a little taste of Hell at a young age while it can still be molded into a proper Baptist.

Well, friend, that is exactly what God does with our souls. He does not prove His existence to us, because that would be like staying the child's hand, and impeding its free will. It would prevent us from burning in Hell for all eternity, sure, just as it would prevent the child from being permanently traumatized and grotesquely disfigured for life. But would it be fair?

No, friend, it wouldn't be fair at all.

[Dago 4chan fag]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

Friend, you can do what you want. But teasing the disabled into thinking they will ever be normal is cruel. They are disabled for a reason. They are still disabled because they refuse to make amends to Jesus. All you are doing is damning them to an eternity of misery. If you instead had them pray to God to heal them, if they are honest, God will do just that.

So tell me, which is worse, teasing a defective bad person with the fruits of being normal and the potential to be loved by everyone or actually helping them achieve Salvation®?

I'm sorry I really don't want to come across as rude but...I can't believe that you just said teaching disabled kids to read is cruel. I honestly can't. I've been sitting here for about 10 minuets and my brain is simply incapable of processing that information.

People are born disabled. People do not get "Un-Disabled" Ever. Never. Ever Ever Ever Ever has that ever happened...Once. Ever. Sure the bible claims Jesus fixed that problem. But even if I were to say "Sure, okay he did" that still only once.
Besides it's by no means teasing them, it genuinely does help, the brain is plastic in nature it can change throughout it's life. Depending on the disability, it may just be a case of them learning at a slower pace.
I have a messed up right leg, but I don't think the doctors are cruel for teasing me into thinking I'm ever going to walk properly. Even though normality may be unattainable, being closer to it is still better than being further from it.
Also as for saying they are disabled for a reason, are you implying it was gods will because they were destined to be sinners or something? That's kinda screwed up if ya don't mind me saying.

But He HAS sent you reasons to believe in Him. He compiled an entire Holy Bible as a spiritual love letter to you - you personally! He knows who you are, what you think, what you fear, everything about you. He even knows the very hairs on your head, that's how intimately He knows you.

If he knows me so well, he must also know why I don't think the bible stands out amongst the droves of other holy books. Why hasn't he done something to change this?

But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
Matthew 10:30

You have all the information available to you, and still He led you to us! What you can do now is read the Holy Bible, His Love Letter to you, and find out just what He wants you to know. Don't assume you know it because you've heard a few stories here and there. Sit down and take the time to read it, really read it carefully. Listen to what He is trying to tell you. Don't take anything for granted, and simply read the words as they are written, not as you think they should be written - that's very important and a problem many people have today.

I've read the bible, how can god, as an all-powerful, all-knowing being, expect me to Believe it? Surely he must know why I don't believe it's real?
If I have someone two cups and under one is cake, the other an angry spider, how can I expect them to know which one contains the cake?

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Romans 10:17

The problem with this is that without the Holy Spirit embedded in your soul, you cannot know what is "good to your fellow man" because your moral compass will be askew. You could be helping them go straight to Hell and not know it. Why take that chance?

Because it's the only option I feel I have. Because I don't know what to believe. I can't make any distinction between religion, non-religion and different religions. Nothing stands out at me. I feel like I'm just throwing a rock here. Put it this way: If god has been trying to tell me to pick a religion, and which one to pick he needs to speak up. If i have a bible and a Qur'an in front of me, how am I supposed to known which one to pick? They both claim extremely identical things. Omnipotent creators, rewards for followers, punishments for wrong doers. How am I expect to know?

For the choir director: on Mahalath. A Davidic Maskil. The fool says in his heart, "God does not exist."
They are corrupt, and they do vile deeds. There is no one who does good.
Psalm 53:1

It may seem that way to our human minds, but if you think about it, God created this entire universe. He created you and me. We are His to do with what He will. Do your things demand you to treat them the way they want? No! You use your things according to how you think they ought to be used, according to how you want to use them. It's the same with God. We may think, according to our flawed logic, that He should be doing something different, but that's presumptuous and arrogant on our part. Instead, we should respond in gratitude.

I know what your saying, but then why did he make us with such flawed logic?

God thundereth marvellously with his voice; great things doeth he, which we cannot comprehend.
Job 37:5

How do you know He hasn't? Look around you, see what kinds of clues He's been sending you.

Open your heart to Him, and see how much He can change your life!

That's what every religion says, I approach all things with both and open mind and an open heart, why not just "tell me?" why "Send me clues?" Isn't this whole thing pretty unfair on us?

[Jedediah]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

Also as for saying they are disabled for a reason, are you implying it was gods will because they were destined to be sinners or something? That's kinda screwed up if ya don't mind me saying.

It's not that God hates cripples. It's more the case that God makes people crippled because He hates them.

Please understand that cripples and retardeds are repulsive in the eyes of the LORD. Even if a cripple was born into the line of Aaron, God would still not allow them into the temple, profaning the House of God with their repulsiveness (see Leviticus 21:16-24).

Our Heavenly Father cannot stand the sight of hellbound retardeds and cripples! Genesis 1:27 tells us that we were created in the Image of God. However, retardeds are something entirely different - the children of hell itself! Since God is perfect, he would not create a retarded, crippled mongrel who is repulsive in His own Sight.

Retardeds are obviously the spawn of demons! This is why women who have abortions are cursed with retarded babies when they finally decide it's "convenient" to have a baby. Abortion opens the womb to demonic possession, plain and simple.

So it's not so much that God hates people who are crippled and retarded; God makes people crippled and retarded because He hates them! They are not even human.

[Dago 4chan fag]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

Dear friend,

As I'm sure you know, there is no greater gift than the gift of life. All other gifts are conditional on it. So I'm sure you can imagine, as a giving soul, that the greatest experience in life is that of bringing new life into the world. Well, as a loving parent of four sons and some daughters, I can personally vouch for this fact.

As a parent, I understand what it is like to wrestle between wanting to protect your child's safety, and your child's freedom. Ultimately, one cannot have it both ways. When your child roams freely about the house, there are many precautions that have to be taken to protect its safety, all of which are impediments to that child's freedom.

So when a child exercises its God given free will to wander into the kitchen and reaches for a pot of boiling water on the edge of the stove, what do you do? Do you refuse the child's right to act freely?

Of course not! You let the child pull the scalding water down over its head, so that it gets a little taste of Hell at a young age while it can still be molded into a proper Baptist.

Well, friend, that is exactly what God does with our souls. He does not prove His existence to us, because that would be like staying the child's hand, and impeding its free will. It would prevent us from burning in Hell for all eternity, sure, just as it would prevent the child from being permanently traumatized and grotesquely disfigured for life. But would it be fair?

No, friend, it wouldn't be fair at all.

But it's not like we just "Wander" into hell, God put's us there. That's like taking the boiling water from the child and as punishment throwing it in lava.

Also I wouldn't let the water fall onto the child. I would stop it, then tell the child off. The "punishment" of boiling water is FAR worse than the "crime" of being a bit too curious, to have such an imbalance between the crime committed and the punishment received is injustice. that's why I dislike the concept of hell, it's in-just, no come on earth and warrant such suffering.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

Also I wouldn't let the water fall onto the child. I would stop it, then tell the child off.

You MONSTER!

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

But it's not like we just "Wander" into hell, God put's us there. That's like taking the boiling water from the child and as punishment throwing it in lava.

Also I wouldn't let the water fall onto the child. I would stop it, then tell the child off. The "punishment" of boiling water is FAR worse than the "crime" of being a bit too curious, to have such an imbalance between the crime committed and the punishment received is injustice. that's why I dislike the concept of hell, it's in-just, no come on earth and warrant such suffering.

I apologize. I was just so shocked by this post that I could not withhold my reaction. I am better now.

Friend, what is the difference between lovemaking and rape?

Answer: consent.

What is so horrible about a rape anyway? Why are rapists villified and locked away for years on end? Why do we regard rapists as lesser men than non-rapists?

Because they violated the wills of their victims.

Not because they had sex with them. After all CONSENTING sex would have been fine with the courts. But take away consent, and suddenly lovemaking is as heinous a crime as murder.

So, in essence the fact that you would deter the child, violating its will, makes you a rapist of children.

[Dago 4chan fag]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

I apologize. I was just so shocked by this post that I could not withhold my reaction. I am better now.

Friend, what is the difference between lovemaking and rape?

Answer: consent.

What is so horrible about a rape anyway? Why are rapists villified and locked away for years on end? Why do we regard rapists as lesser men than non-rapists?

Because they violated the wills of their victims.

Not because they had sex with them. After all CONSENTING sex would have been fine with the courts. But take away consent, and suddenly lovemaking is as heinous a crime as murder.

So, in essence the fact that you would deter the child, violating its will, makes you a rapist of children.

Rape isn't for the greater good. That's my answer. Anyway as much as I would honestly, genuinely like to discuss this more with you, I have encountered so much hatred on here just because I'm Atheist I'm probably about to get banned. So er...cya I guess.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

Rape isn't for the greater good. That's my answer. Anyway as much as I would honestly, genuinely like to discuss this more with you, I have encountered so much hatred on here just because I'm Atheist I'm probably about to get banned. So er...cya I guess.

You rape children because it's NOT for a greater good?

You atheists really are disgusting.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

Rape isn't for the greater good. That's my answer. Anyway as much as I would honestly, genuinely like to discuss this more with you, I have encountered so much hatred on here just because I'm Atheist I'm probably about to get banned. So er...cya I guess.

People aren't banned because they've forsaken Christ: they are banned for not following the forum rules. If you look around, there are atheists (note: it's not capitalized), catholics, joos, coloreds, etc.

If we wanted to ban you for being an atheist, we would have done it after your first post (or even before you completed registering with that user name).

Stick around: you just might learn something. Read more, post less.

YiC,

Zech

[Jedediah]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

But it's not like we just "Wander" into hell, God put's us there. That's like taking the boiling water from the child and as punishment throwing it in lava.

Oh, sure. Blame God because you abuse your free will to do everything but meet the conditions necessary to receive His unconditional love. God gave you an out card, but you choose to chase after your own perversions rather than simply structure your life around Him.

Salvation™ is freely given, friend. All you have to do is accept it and live in accordance with the terms and conditions*.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Don't blame us because you are too cowardly to receive His Grace.

*For more information on these terms and conditions, consult the user manual - King James Authorized Version (c)1611.

[Creationist Ron]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

I can answer your question with one word Mary. Miserable.