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  • #31
    Re: Is Depression A Sin?

    Originally posted by EmoTrash View Post
    You should really post the rest of that verse before trying to use it to prove you point:
    ...
    10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
    11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
    12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
    I highlighted one bit which you seem to have overlooked. Unrighteous people are unrighteous because they did not receive the love of the truth. So they were doomed from the get-go.

    God does not want to see people burn in hell:
    Oh yeah? Then why did He create it?
    Psalm 86:15 But you, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness.

    Psalm 136:26 Give thanks to the God of heaven, for his steadfast love endures forever.

    John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
    Keep reading:

    John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    Please note that people who died not believing in God include millions of people who lived in the Americas before Columbus got here. And millions of people in other hard to reach areas where Christians missionaries could not get to. And little babies who died in their infancy, and therefore not being mentally able to understand religion.

    God created Hell. God made the rules of life such that only a tiny minority of humanity can go to Heaven - while the vast majority will be burning in Hell:

    Matthew 7:13-14
    13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
    Romans 5:8 God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

    Ephesians 2:4-5 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, evenwhen we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ— by grace you have been saved.

    Is five verses enough? No:

    1 John 4:9-11 In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.

    Zephaniah 3:17 The LORD your God is in your midst, a mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing.

    Job 34:19 who shows no partiality to princes, nor regards the rich more than the poor, for they are all the work of his hands?

    Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.

    That last verse says that God does not want you to go to hell nor does he want to see you burn in hell.
    Sweetie, the Bible is directed toward those who read it and follow it 100%. Of course God loves those of us who follow Him. In fact, since He knows everything, He knew from the beginning of time who is going to end up in Heaven and who is going to end up in Hell, and He gave His Grace to His chosen individuals:

    2 Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

    In fact, it doesn't matter if you do great humanitarian works in name of Jesus, you may still go to Hell (unless you do exactly what God wants you to do):

    Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
    Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
    Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


    Could God have made the rules differently, so that more people could squeeze to Heaven? Yes. Could He have not created Hell at all? Of course. He can do everything. This is His world, He created it and He created the rules of the game.

    Analogy
    : a teacher ideally wants all of his or her students to learn (just like God wants everybody to be saved). When the exam comes, the results are bad: 98% received a failing grade. Maybe questions were too hard, or maybe the students didn't study, or maybe the teacher wasn't teaching well (maybe his teachings were chaotic, he was rambling at times, the guidelines weren't clear, he contradicted himself several times, etc). The professor has several options now: should I post the grades as is, with 98% of the class receiving a failing grade, or should I curve, allowing more students to receive a passing grade, or maybe I could assign an extra credit assignment to give students another chance to improve their grades.

    What God does, is the option that only the most heartless professor would choose: give the 98% failing grades, no extra credit option, go to Hell and suffer forever.

    Praise for at least giving us a Holy Textbook to study and follow 100%! Remember - if you don't know the Bible, if you don't follow it 100%, you are going to fail that exam.
    God created fossils to test our faith.

    * * *

    My favorite LBC sermons:
    True Christians are Perfect!
    True Christian™ Love.
    Salvation™ made Easy!
    You can’t be a Christian if you don’t believe the Old Testament.
    Jesus is impolite. Deal with it.
    Jesus is xenophobic and so should we.
    Sanctity of Life is NOT a Biblical Concept.
    Biblical view on modern-day slavery.
    The Immorality of the "Universal Declaration of Human Rights."
    Geneva Conventions vs. The Holy Bible.
    God HATES Rational Thinking!
    True Christian™ Man as a spitting image of God.

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    • #32
      Re: Is Depression A Sin?

      Originally posted by EmoTrash View Post
      First your verse does not prove your point at all.
      Second you are denying science.
      Here is a bible verse about depression:
      "Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn from Me, because I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy, and My burden is light" (Matthew 11:28-30).

      Read this as well:
      https://bible.org/seriespage/psalm-4...ing-depression
      Is it your contention that after the penitent believer comes to Christ, his depression is no different than before? Are you suggesting that when one allows Jesus to take their yoke, their depression is not lifted? Are you actually claiming that Jesus is either incapable, or unwilling to cure the faithful of their depression? That's quite a rebuke of the very Word of God Itself, dear. That's awfully brazen of you to call Jesus a big, fat liar on his favorite church forum.
      Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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      • #33
        Re: Is Depression A Sin?

        I don't know how anyone could be depressed with Jesus in their life.

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        • #34
          Re: Is Depression A Sin?

          Amen! Without the promise of resurrection from the dead, we would be a sorry lot!

          1 Cor 15:14, 17-19
          14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
          [. . .]
          17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
          18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
          19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.


          All our praying, reading the Bible, going to church and refraining from sin would be meaningless.
          sigpicMt 21:42, 44 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes . . . ? And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

          Find out what the Bible says about: Fortnite: Battle Royale, asexuality, shaving, psychiatry, chronic fatigue syndrome, babies

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          • #35
            Re: Is Depression A Sin?

            Originally posted by Mary Etheldreda View Post
            Is it your contention that after the penitent believer comes to Christ, his depression is no different than before? Are you suggesting that when one allows Jesus to take their yoke, their depression is not lifted? Are you actually claiming that Jesus is either incapable, or unwilling to cure the faithful of their depression? That's quite a rebuke of the very Word of God Itself, dear. That's awfully brazen of you to call Jesus a big, fat liar on his favorite church forum.
            I never said that Jesus is incapable of lifting people out of depression. Im just saying your not going to go to hell for being depressed.

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            • #36
              Re: Is Depression A Sin?

              We are commanded (not asked) to be joyful at all times.

              Phil 4:4 Rejoice in the Lord always: and again I say, Rejoice.

              Failure to do so is sin, deserving of everlasting punishment.
              sigpicMt 21:42, 44 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes . . . ? And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

              Find out what the Bible says about: Fortnite: Battle Royale, asexuality, shaving, psychiatry, chronic fatigue syndrome, babies

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              • #37
                Re: Is Depression A Sin?

                Why would God want a bunch of whiny, hapless emos in his Kingdom? You should go find your father, EmoTrash, and get him to slap you happy and right with the LORD!

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                • #38
                  Re: Is Depression A Sin?

                  Originally posted by EmoTrash View Post
                  First your verse does not prove your point at all.
                  Second you are denying science.
                  Here is a bible verse about depression:
                  "Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn from Me, because I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy, and My burden is light"
                  Of course I'm denying science! Have you even read The Bible? You mention those who come to Jesus, how they will be given rest. Now what about those who DON'T come to Jesus?

                  Check this out:

                  II Thessalonians 2:1-2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

                  Secular "science" holds depression to be some species of shaken mind or a variety of trouble. In Christ, as many posts with full Scripture included have shown you, that is impossible. Persons with shaken minds do not know Jesus which means that they're fully envenomed with sin. Unregenerate. Operating at maximum pressure on a railway line leading to everlasting torture. God says it. Christians believe it. That settles it.

                  I was concerned that you were so eager to include context for the quoted passage and yet did not understand the very straightforward meaning of what you posted. In the post you were critiquing much fuller context was available; did you not read that? I'm looking at it now. It covers quite a lot of ground from (I'm scrolling up now) Genesis 1 to (..and scrolling down from Thessalonians) Revelation 22 so you could read all the material from Paul if you wanted to. Yes, even the section you chose was included.

                  I'm still waiting for your Scripture reference about pagan tattoos and since you're pretty hot on the topic of context I'm eager to learn if I'm mistaken about that. Did you not see my post in the Manson thread? Maybe you are visually impaired? I can help there.

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                  I try to pay attention when reading The Bible and remember cross references as well as I can. But it's quite possible that I've missed something and always welcome a link to further what understanding I do have. The Bible is very explicit: devils suffer from SHAKEN minds. They TREMBLE both in spirit and in the words they promote to lead the unwary, or the wilfully disobedient, astray. The two passages fit very well together indeed and I appreciate this cross reference which I hadn't noticed before. So if you could just provide the reference for pagan tattoos, that'd be great.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Is Depression A Sin?

                    Originally posted by EmoTrash View Post
                    I never said that Jesus is incapable of lifting people out of depression.
                    No, you're just calling His Good News "Fake News," because it's not accurate.
                    Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Is Depression A Sin?

                      Originally posted by DolliMoans View Post
                      Why would God want a bunch of whiny, hapless emos in his Kingdom? You should go find your father, EmoTrash, and get him to slap you happy and right with the LORD!
                      You should do your research on emo culture before you make any judgments. Also God commands us not to judge

                      Matthew 7:1 -
                      1 "Judge not, that you be not judged.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Is Depression A Sin?

                        Originally posted by MitzaLizalor View Post
                        Of course I'm denying science! Have you even read The Bible? You mention those who come to Jesus, how they will be given rest. Now what about those who DON'T come to Jesus?

                        Check this out:

                        II Thessalonians 2:1-2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

                        Secular "science" holds depression to be some species of shaken mind or a variety of trouble. In Christ, as many posts with full Scripture included have shown you, that is impossible. Persons with shaken minds do not know Jesus which means that they're fully envenomed with sin. Unregenerate. Operating at maximum pressure on a railway line leading to everlasting torture. God says it. Christians believe it. That settles it.

                        I was concerned that you were so eager to include context for the quoted passage and yet did not understand the very straightforward meaning of what you posted. In the post you were critiquing much fuller context was available; did you not read that? I'm looking at it now. It covers quite a lot of ground from (I'm scrolling up now) Genesis 1 to (..and scrolling down from Thessalonians) Revelation 22 so you could read all the material from Paul if you wanted to. Yes, even the section you chose was included.

                        I'm still waiting for your Scripture reference about pagan tattoos and since you're pretty hot on the topic of context I'm eager to learn if I'm mistaken about that. Did you not see my post in the Manson thread? Maybe you are visually impaired? I can help there.

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                        I try to pay attention when reading The Bible and remember cross references as well as I can. But it's quite possible that I've missed something and always welcome a link to further what understanding I do have. The Bible is very explicit: devils suffer from SHAKEN minds. They TREMBLE both in spirit and in the words they promote to lead the unwary, or the wilfully disobedient, astray. The two passages fit very well together indeed and I appreciate this cross reference which I hadn't noticed before. So if you could just provide the reference for pagan tattoos, that'd be great.
                        The bible says not to put any marks on our skin for the dead (cuts/tattoos.)
                        Also everyone has sinned except Jesus and you are no different. Everyone who asks for forgiveness from there sins will be saved. You cant tell people that they are not going to be saved or that they are going to hell

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                        • #42
                          Re: Is Depression A Sin?

                          Originally posted by EmoTrash View Post
                          ...God commands us not to judge

                          Matthew 7:1 -
                          1 "Judge not, that you be not judged.
                          Not if you can read-a the English.


                          The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-5)

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                          • #43
                            Re: Is Depression A Sin?

                            Originally posted by EmoTrash View Post
                            Also everyone has sinned except Jesus and you are no different.
                            True Christians don't sin.

                            Everyone who asks for forgiveness from there sins will be saved.
                            Not true.

                            Mk 3:28-29
                            28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
                            29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
                            See also Mt 12:31-32.

                            1 Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

                            Mt 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

                            You cant tell people that they are not going to be saved or that they are going to hell
                            The church has the power to do exactly that.

                            Mt 18:17-20
                            17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
                            18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
                            19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
                            20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.


                            Jn 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
                            sigpicMt 21:42, 44 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes . . . ? And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

                            Find out what the Bible says about: Fortnite: Battle Royale, asexuality, shaving, psychiatry, chronic fatigue syndrome, babies

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                            • #44
                              Re: Is Depression A Sin?

                              Originally posted by EmoTrash View Post
                              The bible says not to put any marks on our skin for the dead (cuts/tattoos.)
                              Also everyone has sinned except Jesus and you are no different. Everyone who asks for forgiveness from there sins will be saved. You cant tell people that they are not going to be saved or that they are going to hell
                              Context is always beneficial when reading God's Inerrant Word because He has given us a very important message and we need to understand it. That's not difficult, but reading the complete section is necessary as you've already pointed out.

                              For example if I asked you for something to eat, a sandwich maybe, but you stopped listening at "Could you get me a sandwich please.." and brought me maple glazed walnut salad causing convulsions or asphyxia because I was allergic to maple trees that would be awful. In that case you should have waited for the rest of my sentence: "..but nothing with maple products; I'm allergic to the stuff!" Disregarding instructions from God has much more severe consequences that mere convulsions, that's why His message is so important.
                              LEVITICUS 19 . KJV . look up
                              28
                              Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.
                              29 Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a whore; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.


                              recap:
                              28b ..nor print any marks upon you:










                              Next, simply by reading God's message, we need to understand what "print" means. Silkscreen? Woodcut? Tattoo? Does it include penetrating the skin? Is it more like a rubber stamp or stencil? Here we have the example of Jesus, of what happened to Him.
                              JOHN 20 . KJV . look up
                              19
                              At evening..when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
                              20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
                              21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
                              22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
                              23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
                              24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
                              25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.


                              recap:
                              28b ..put my finger into the print of the nails


                              The print of the nails is something you could put your finger into. Just like the hole in His side where the spear jabbed with sufficient force to rupture His heart. Yes, no elucidation is necessary here. We all know what marks are being referred to and whether printed with a red hot needle, a laser beam or even a chiseled-out potato all such wickedness must be rejected by all Christians. That's what's meant by "any" and that's what's meant by "print" and these days I should point out that branding would also qualify because branding also pierces the skin even as Jesus was pierced when He bled out for me to make me perfect.

                              Neglecting God's commandment in this matter is tantamount to neglecting every aspect of His Just Law, another aspect of which follows on immediately. And guess what sorts of people get inked or branded to stand out on the street corner? Are you advocating that too?

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