[Seeker]

Re: So God gave us free will.

I don't speak Bible, you're gonna have to explain it to me in a different way.

He knew your momma would not abort you and he has plans for you. He knew you before your momma and dadda had sex, okay? And he has plans for you even now. We can always walk out of God's will everyday, but the miracle of it all is that he steps back in when we say yes to him.

Do you want to attend bible college?

[Enigmatic Harpo Marx]

Re: So God gave us free will.

For I know the Plans I have for you, thus declares the Lord. Plans to prosper you and not to harm you.
Plans to give you hope and a future.

Jeremiah 29:11

I don't speak Bible, you're gonna have to explain it to me in a different way.

[Seeker]

Re: So God gave us free will.

Than what's the point of even bothering with having an earth? Why am I not in Hell right now?

For I know the Plans I have for you, thus declares the Lord. Plans to prosper you and not to harm you.
Plans to give you hope and a future.

Jeremiah 29:11

[Enigmatic Harpo Marx]

Re: So God gave us free will.

He did.

Than what's the point of even bothering with having an earth? Why am I not in Hell right now?

He made the world so we have no free world and it is our fault.

Wow, God sure is twisted if this is the case. Maybe I'd like him better than I had originally thought.

[Seeker]

Re: So God gave us free will.

God did not want to create robots. He needed somebody to love him. That is why the free will. He knows the ones that will love him and the ones that won't, already.

He can do what the hell with his creation that he want's to do.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: So God gave us free will.

If god gave us free will, then he would not be omniescient, because he would not be able to determine our actions. If you try to argue that he can still be omniescient and still give us free will at the same time, that won't work. Because with free will, there are an infinite amount of possiblities that can happen. For instance if somebody chooses to become gay because of free will, god can't tell them whether thats right or wrong, because he gave them free will, so he would be questioning his own authority.

What part of God created the Universe so He can set the rules what ever way He wants. As I said before He made the world so we have no free will and it is our fault. End of discussion.

[slipknot]

Re: So God gave us free will.

If god gave us free will, then he would not be omniescient, because he would not be able to determine our actions. If you try to argue that he can still be omniescient and still give us free will at the same time, that won't work. Because with free will, there are an infinite amount of possiblities that can happen. For instance if somebody chooses to become gay because of free will, god can't tell them whether thats right or wrong, because he gave them free will, so he would be questioning his own authority.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: So God gave us free will.

How about we all just relax have a nice tall glass of SHUT THE piffle UP.

How about you remember you are guest in our forum and we moderators ban on the drop of hat?

[slipknot]

Re: So God gave us free will.

How about we all just relax have a nice tall glass of SHUT THE FUCK UP.

[Mr Godwin]

Re: So God gave us free will.

Is free will better then a morally neutral constant?

Free will gives us good, is it not better to have good along with evil then for everything to be the same. And when i say everything would be the same, i really mean it, for if there is difference then there is potentially different levels of some kind of morality and therefore there is good and bad.

See what I am saying here? Everything the same, or good and evil (with free will).

Anyway, at the end, it is God's choice and if you think you can find out the answer, go for it. I'd start with the Bible if you are interested in Christianity.

No, everything is not the same. You get my drift? How did you get that mixed up in the head? You sound like a very mixed up young man.

I'm an educator. I teach a grammar school. In my school we start the kids off with the basics. This is a Baptist Church. In our church we start mixed up false-christians off with the basics. You get my drift?

If I were you, Mr Falso, I would dump the morally-neutral-constants and the good-and-evil-the-same jibber jabber, get a KJV1611 Bible and start reading. Standing by.

Good luck. Mr Godwin.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: So God gave us free will.

Does that mean that god plans out all of satans actions too?

Of course, Satan is an angel, an extension of God and therefor has no will of his own. That's why Satan is damned to hell with the rest of the sinners.

[anon11]

Re: So God gave us free will.

That's satans doing.

You should know that by now.

Does that mean that god plans out all of satans actions too?

[Cheshire]

Re: So God gave us free will.

if thats true then every abortion,murder, act of sodomy,idolatry,bigotry,and pretty much every bad thing were already planned out by god. Witch is interesting considering quite a few of these are transgressions against god. Why would god plan out a transgression against himself?

That's satans doing.

You should know that by now.

[anon11]

Re: So God gave us free will.

We don't really have a free will. God knows what we will chose when He created us due to His prefect knowledge. Free will is an illusion created by our limited human perspective.

if thats true then every abortion,murder, act of sodomy,idolatry,bigotry,and pretty much every bad thing were already planned out by god. Witch is interesting considering quite a few of these are transgressions against god. Why would god plan out a transgression against himself?

[Seeker]

Re: So God gave us free will.

I guess a better question then is if God knows who is going to Hell and who is going to Heaven, then why didn't he just distribute us accordingly?

He did.