[Larry Lee]

Re: Making contact with Christian Girls

Huzzah, I've managed to acquire her e-mail address! Now I can probe about her beliefs in a non-suspicious (not that the True Faith is something to conceal) way!

Very good, you're making progress. I encourage you to follow Brother Knees advice, in general, and Brother Zeke's advice, specifically. Use that e-mail to your advantage and probe her enthusiasm for the scripture Brother Zeke outlined. And Good Luck!

However, I must be frank with you. Many of us are legitimately concerned about this "education" thing she has. We shake our heads and know that "education" is often a synonym for "Godless harlot." and yet .... you, being youthful, you need to learn these things for yourself.

May I offer a suggestion? That lovely, smiling girl, who you're evaluating for her marriage potential, you really need to test her and see if her love for the Lord is strong and pure – or only subterfuge to ensnare a Godly man, such as yourself. The best thing for you to do is to bring her to Sunday Evening Services, and then afterward, take the long way home, down by the reservoir where nobody ever goes. Find a place to park and then hop into the back seat where you know it's nice and dark. Test that girl with everything you've got. If she's like the other "educated" ones who we've seen, you'll soon be just about to groove and naked as the breeze … At which point you'll know she's totally unfit for marriage, but hey – just so long as there's not a light in your eye and then a guy says "Out of the car, long hair!" – Go for it, because if you don't, we'll all think you're a John Edwards.

[R-R-R]

Re: Making contact with Christian Girls

you really need to test her and see if her love for the Lord is strong and pure

I do have a question though. In Luke 14:26 we are required to hate our parents, but does this apply to our partners as well? Do husbands need to hate their wives in order to be Jesus' desciple? Because if this is the case, there would be no need to pay attention to a girl's attractiveness and such, but merely her love for the Lord and of course her ability to cook and help bring more True Cristians into the world.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Making contact with Christian Girls

I do have a question though. In Luke 14:26 we are required to hate our parents, but does this apply to our partners as well? Do husbands need to hate their wives in order to be Jesus' desciple? Because if this is the case, there would be no need to pay attention to a girl's attractiveness and such, but merely her love for the Lord and of course her ability to cook and help bring more True Cristians into the world.

I know of no reason why you shouldn't hate your wife. Jesus tells us to "subjugate" them (1 Peter 3:1), and God has cursed them (Genesis 3:16)for eating that apple and listening to satan (a talking snake at that time). Also it is a well-known fact that women hold men back in many things.

We are commanded to love Jesus above everyone else, so I guess go ahead and hate your wife.

[jalmquist (On Moderation)]

Re: Making contact with Christian Girls

You might want to go for the direct approach: just stroll up to her and casually ask if she has turned her life over to Jesus and been washed in His blood. But if you're the shy type, that might seem a little forward, so you could try being a little more discreet; maybe you could casually start up a conversation with her, find out if she's free, and ask if she wants to go throw rocks at some Jews or Catholics. If she's up for it, she's almost certainly a Christian, if not, she's not worth bothering about anyway.

, Im using that as my next pickup line at the hookah bar;

Me: "Hey babe, whats your name?"
Girl: "[Insert Name Here]"
Me: "Im James"
Girl: "Hi James"
Me: "So... have you ever been washed by the blood of Christ?"
Girl: "Pause"
Me: "Pause"
Girl: "Pause"
Me: "20$..? My car, 20minutes from now"
Girl: " Thats more like it"
Me: "[Thought] Ahh that one always works"

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Making contact with Christian Girls

, Im using that as my next pickup line at the hookah bar;

Me: "Hey babe, whats your name?"
Girl: "[Insert Name Here]"
Me: "Im James"
Girl: "Hi James"
Me: "So... have you ever been washed by the blood of Christ?"
Girl: "Pause"
Me: "Pause"
Girl: "Pause"
Me: "20$..? My car, 20minutes from now"
Girl: " Thats more like it"
Me: "[Thought] Ahh that one always works"

Um, that's not likely a Christian girl.

But thanks for advertising to us that you can't get a date without paying. See what a winner you are without Christ?

[Rae-Est]

Re: Making contact with Christian Girls

I know of no reason why you shouldn't hate your wife. Jesus tells us to "subjugate" them (1 Peter 3:1), and God has cursed them (Genesis 3:16)for eating that apple and listening to satan (a talking snake at that time). Also it is a well-known fact that women hold men back in many things.

We are commanded to love Jesus above everyone else, so I guess go ahead and hate your wife.

Pastor Ezekiel, does not the Bible tell husbands to love their wives?

Ephesians 5:25 "Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it..."

Also, I think you're confusing subjugation with subjection.

"Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands,..." I Peter 3:1

Subjection means "the act of subjecting," and subject (verb) means "to submit to the authority of;" whereas subjugation means "to make submissive or subservient, enslave." While subtle, there is a difference there. One is through the voluntary action of the woman while the other is through the man's bending of the woman's will.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Making contact with Christian Girls

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Besides, if it weren't for women, we would still be happily living in the Garden of Eden.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Making contact with Christian Girls

Pastor Ezekiel, does not the Bible tell husbands to love their wives?

Ephesians 5:25 "Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it..."

That's some very selective quoting going on there. Yes, we are to love our wives, just as Christ is to love us faulty humans, the vast majority of whom will be condemned to Hell by Him. But wives are also to love their husbands. How are they to love us?
Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

GOD explicitly states that women should treat men like... well, like God.

[Rae-Est]

Re: Making contact with Christian Girls

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Besides, if it weren't for women, we would still be happily living in the Garden of Eden.

Um, hate to break it to you, but Adam was right there with Eve, and he obviously didn't say, "Eve, let's not chat with the talking snake right now." Genesis never said that Eve had to call Adam over to the tree or go and get him and bring him back.

And, if you cling to that verse in Luke, does that mean you don't acknowledge the verse in Ephesians? It's quite obvious, and it's spelled out just like this one in Luke. How do you resolve that?

[Deaner]

Re: Making contact with Christian Girls

Subjection means "the act of subjecting," and subject (verb) means "to submit to the authority of;" whereas subjugation means "to make submissive or subservient, enslave." While subtle, there is a difference there. One is through the voluntary action of the woman while the other is through the man's bending of the woman's will.

Are you some kind of double talking yid lawyer? You talk all this stuff like it makes a difference and it doesn't. You either voluntarily submit to the man or burn alive. A man is a woman's only hope. Now if the wife you loved was not behaving in accordance with Jesus's teaching would it be inappropriate of me to do a little bending of the woman's will, or her arm for that matter, to save her eternal soul?

[Rae-Est]

Re: Making contact with Christian Girls

That's some very selective quoting going on there. Yes, we are to love our wives, just as Christ is to love us faulty humans, the vast majority of whom will be condemned to Hell by Him. But wives are also to love their husbands. How are they to love us?
Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

GOD explicitly states that women should treat men like... well, like God.

Are you saying that exempts man from loving his wife? I didn't say that women were not called to love their husbands; I distinctly recall the question being about husbands hating their wives.

And, how do you figure that those verses mean that the woman should treat her husband like God? Should she worship him? Because I'm pretty sure I'm called to worship God, and if that's how I treat God, then is it right for me to worship my husband? Because if that's what you're saying, then you're on the verge of blasphemy because I know God says that we should worship none but Him.

[Rae-Est]

Re: Making contact with Christian Girls

Are you some kind of double talking yid lawyer? You talk all this stuff like it makes a difference and it doesn't. You either voluntarily submit to the man or burn alive. A man is a woman's only hope. Now if the wife you loved was not behaving in accordance with Jesus's teaching would it be inappropriate of me to do a little bending of the woman's will, or her arm for that matter, to save her eternal soul?

Show me where the Bible says that a man is a woman's only hope. From what I know, God is an individual's only hope. Period.

And, I have to say that you'd have to explain how you wanted to bend the woman's will to get her into accordance with Jesus' teaching. There are, you know, ways that Jesus outlines to bring those who are sinning back into the fold. However, I'd like to hear how you would bend your wife's will.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Making contact with Christian Girls

Are you saying that exempts man from loving his wife? I didn't say that women were not called to love their husbands; I distinctly recall the question being about husbands hating their wives.

And, how do you figure that those verses mean that the woman should treat her husband like God? Should she worship him? Because I'm pretty sure I'm called to worship God, and if that's how I treat God, then is it right for me to worship my husband? Because if that's what you're saying, then you're on the verge of blasphemy because I know God says that we should worship none but Him.

I was saying that God commands husbands to simultaneously love and hate their wives. It's clear that you're not very good with subtlety and ambiguity, but that doesn't matter too much if you're a woman, in which case you have only to ask a good Christian man for guidance.
As for the question of where blame lies in the Garden of Eden, I believe the Bible puts it best:
1 Timothy 2:1 1Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Making contact with Christian Girls

Show me where the Bible says that a man is a woman's only hope. From what I know, God is an individual's only hope. Period.

My word, you certainly are a mouthy little lady, aren't you? Anyway, if I may continue with that Bible passage:
1 Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Childbearing is a vital aspect of any woman's salvation. Assuming that God's miracle with Mary was a one-off, any woman wishing to be saved in childbearing had probably better approach a man for assistance.

[Rae-Est]

Re: Making contact with Christian Girls

I was saying that God commands husbands to simultaneously love and hate their wives. It's clear that you're not very good with subtlety and ambiguity, but that doesn't matter too much if you're a woman, in which case you have only to ask a good Christian man for guidance.
As for the question of where blame lies in the Garden of Eden, I believe the Bible puts it best:
1 Timothy 2:1 1Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

How does one simultaneously love and hate? Since I'm rather simple, I'd like you to explain it to me.