I've been banned from Israel

[Dennis Lukes]

Without ever even setting foot there.




You see, I'd been planning a family pilgrimage to the Holy Land, but I've had to scrap the entire thing, and I'm pretty mad. I was finally going to see Bethlehem, Golgotha, and everything in between with my own eyes, but now I've been denied that opportunity. It's an outrage!


Brothers, what can I do? The airline would not refund my tickets. I should also state that I appealed my refusal of entry and my appeal was heard and subsequently rejected again. I'm at a loss here. Your prayers would be most appreciated in this trying time.

[Johny Joe Hold]

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Brothers, what can I do? The airline would not refund my tickets. I should also state that I appealed my refusal of entry and my appeal was heard and subsequently rejected again. I'm at a loss here. Your prayers would be most appreciated in this trying time.

Brother Lukes--You must have been rejected because we at Landover Baptist have said the Jews killed Jesus. It could be the government there doesn't like this. Would it help to write a letter like this:

Dear Mr. Prime Minister:
The Bible says the Jews killed Jesus. I was not there at the time. I will never say I saw the Jews kill Jesus.
That being the case I need to have you reverse your policy and grant me permission to visit your country.
Dennis Lukes

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

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The jews talk about persecution. This is real persecution. They have made our holiest site - Trump Heights - off-limits to Christians. This doesn't end well for the jews, spiritually I mean.

[robertclark1977]

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Without ever even setting foot there.

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You see, I'd been planning a family pilgrimage to the Holy Land, but I've had to scrap the entire thing, and I'm pretty mad. I was finally going to see Bethlehem, Golgotha, and everything in between with my own eyes, but now I've been denied that opportunity. It's an outrage!


Brothers, what can I do? The airline would not refund my tickets. I should also state that I appealed my refusal of entry and my appeal was heard and subsequently rejected again. I'm at a loss here. Your prayers would be most appreciated in this trying time.

Personally, I'd be mad too. Praying that you get some answers soon. Sounds like someone has huge chip on their shoulder and for no good reason!

[MitzaLizalor]

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Brother Lukes--You must have been rejected because we at Landover Baptist have said the Jews killed Jesus. It could be the government there doesn't like this. Would it help to write a letter like this:

Dear Mr. Prime Minister:
The Bible says the Jews killed Jesus. I was not there at the time. I will never say I saw the Jews kill Jesus.
That being the case I need to have you reverse your policy and grant me permission to visit your country.
Dennis Lukes

You probably think I'm a terrible liberal, virtually a communist, I hope not but here goes: trying to see it from the other person's point of view. To start with, in order to accept that Jesus even existed in the first place, it's necessary to accept the Biblical record. He is mentioned nowhere else, except in later sources quoting The Bible or describing what happens in a Church.

The alternative view, that there's nothing historical in The New Testament, sees no reason to assume that Jesus was killed at all because there's no reason to conclude that He was born. Indeed, they would aver, what limited claims are presented in the source material provide stronger evidence against the hypothesis than for it. In this case actually there is no hypothesis: they see no reason to ask the question: they are simply commenting on the hypotheses of others. The result is obvious – nobody killed this Jesus because no such Jesus has been demonstrated to exist.

Am I a communist yet? Close, but no cigar. For those who DO accept The Gospels as evidence, it's a claim made by The Multitude itself, suggesting that each individual acquiesced before that claim was made. Pilate was exonerated (according to Roman precedent where local foibles were pandered to in this respect) and off they trotted to Golgotha.

Matthew 27
1-2 When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death: and when they had bound him, they led him away, and delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor.

THE GOVERNOR

13-14 Then said Pilate unto him, Hearest thou not how many things they witness against thee? And he answered him to never a word; insomuch that the governor marvelled greatly.

THE GOVERNOR'S WIFE

19-20 When he was set down on the judgment seat, his wife sent unto him, saying, Have thou nothing to do with that just man: for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him. But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.

THE MULTITUDE

24-25 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

ROMAN SOLDIERS SWING INTO ACTION

27-28 Then the soldiers of the governor took Jesus into the common hall, and gathered unto him the whole band of soldiers. And they stripped him, and put on him a scarlet robe.

GOLGOTHA

33-35a And when they were come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of a skull, they gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink. And they crucified him

[Dennis Lukes]

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So, as you all know, the dirty Jews are obsessed with cataloging and indexing everything they hate. Normal people like us don't do that. Anyways, I've been blacklisted from Israel because apparently I've been flagged by a number of subversive Jewish organizations - the ADL, the JIDF, Canary Mission, and the SPLC. Typical kikes sticking their big noses around. I don't even understand what I ever did to those so-called "people." All I wanted was to see the land where they murdered Christ.

[Johny Joe Hold]

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All I wanted was to see the land where they murdered Christ.

That is a perfectly good reason to visit Israel Brother Lukes. They should welcome you. But they did not because they simply want to deny history; they did in fact kill Jesus.
I have admit being in politics for decades leads me to handle things in a different way. If the draft letter I suggested above does not work for you perhaps you could say, "I'm a history buff. I'd like to visit the land where the Jesus incident occurred."

[Dennis Lukes]

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"I'm a history buff. I'd like to visit the land where the Jesus incident occurred."

Yes, I am a history buff. One of their [Mossad's] nitpicks was a number of posts I've made on various websites over the course of a couple decades regarding the non-historicity of certain supposed incidents which did NOT in fact occur in German-occupied Poland. Israel propagates fake history. I guess it's not surprising. Their religion originated with Jesus's Divinity deniers schisming off from God's Chosen People and breaking their covenant with the Almighty by choosing the murderer Barabbas and browbeating Pontius Pilate into crucifying Christ on the very land they're now squatting on and won't let me look at.

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

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Brother Lukes, the (non-)event you refer to was almost certainly literary fiction much like the country of Israel itself. Next time you are stopped at the border by Mossad agents, let them have it with this authoritative tract on the TRUTH behind Israel and International Jewry:

The Mythic Past: Biblical Archaeology And The Myth Of Israel

The Jewish people's historical claims to a small area of land bordering the eastern Mediterranean are not only the foundation for the modern state of Israel, they are also at the very heart of Judeo-Christian belief. Yet in The Mythic Past, Thomas Thompson argues that such claims are grounded in literary myth, not history. Among the author's startling conclusions are these: There never was a "united monarch" of Israel in biblical times -- We can no longer talk about a time of the Patriarchs -- The entire notion of "Israel" and its history is a literary fiction.

[Johny Joe Hold]

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Brother Lukes, the (non-)event you refer to was almost certainly literary fiction much like the country of Israel itself. Next time you are stopped at the border by Mossad agents, let them have it with this authoritative tract on the TRUTH behind Israel and International Jewry:

This brings up a question often asked of me. It is, "Why is Landover Baptist growing and Judaism getting smaller?"

The answer lies in the accuracy of our respective histories. The Jews made up this thingy about a "promised land." We at Landover have actual recorded historical events, the crucifixion and resurrection. Before He was crucified Jesus said He was allowing it to happen to forgive our sins. The Jews are out of luck for their sins. Fewer and fewer people want to go where they are headed after death.

[WWJDnow]

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The people and leaders at Landover Baptist are second to none in our efforts to encourage American Jews to emigrate to Israel. Pastor Ezekiel, in particular, has consistently exercised his political influence to support the right of Israel to steal land from and persecute the Palestinians.

Brother Dennis, given your Double Diamond Tither status, not to mention your generous contributions to the New Private Jet for Pastor Ezekiel fund, why not ask Pastor Zeke to give the Israeli prime minister a call? I know you don't want to bother the good pastor, but I'm sure he would support your efforts to make pilgrimage to the Holy Land.

[Dennis Lukes]

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The people and leaders at Landover Baptist are second to none in our efforts to encourage American Jews to emigrate to Israel.

Yes I have a copy of LBC's helpful brochure for prospective Jewish emigrants "Juden Raus: Zionism and You."

why not ask Pastor Zeke to give the Israeli prime minister a call? I know you don't want to bother the good pastor, but I'm sure he would support your efforts to make pilgrimage to the Holy Land.

I wouldn't dream of pestering Pastor Ezekiel with this. I know that great man shares my views on British Israelism and Christian Identity but conceals it for political purposes. The fact that he can hold his nose and converse politely with the foul beasts (as well as their goyim shills) is a testament to his Godliness. I know I couldn't hold down my lunch if I had to shake one of their hands.

[WWJDnow]

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I wouldn't dream of pestering Pastor Ezekiel with this. I know that great man shares my views on British Israelism and Christian Identity but conceals it for political purposes. The fact that he can hold his nose and converse politely with the foul beasts... is a testament to his Godliness. I know I couldn't hold down my lunch if I had to shake one of their hands.

Pastor Ezekiel is certainly a saint. He does battle with Satan on a daily basis, so glad handling a few Jews is, I suspect, pretty tame stuff for him. After all, Jews are merely Satan's servants. I still think he'd be more than happy to smooth your way here. What are pastors for if not to make the lives of large donors their parishioners more pleasant (and, of course, to save souls)?

Since you don't want the good pastor to intervene, I will pray for you. But I'm not sure that the Israelis will listen to Jesus now any more than they did 2,000 years ago.

[MitzaLizalor]

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Once upon a time there was an Ottoman Empire. Its base had not always been ottoman and, whatever it was before, one day there was a creeping conquest or a sudden conquest or whatever and they also denied the divinity of Christ. The same process occurs periodically in mythology as well as in history and although we don't know where the next creeping conquest will succeed we can see where successes have taken place over recent centuries by one set of creeps or another.

One day the Ottomans decided to go on a rampage in cahoots with some other heretics who were looking for new territory to expand their operation but, O woe, the rampage was unsuccessful. Applying their own principle of government "to the victor the spoils" was unnecessary because the previously vanquished still lived there and could provide government where the Ottomans were no longer positioned to do so. In much the same way, Jesus is used to being not listened to but Jesus is not an ottoman.

John 18:36 [Jesus speaking] My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

His Kingdom, not being of this world, nevertheless arises from our experiences in it. Accepting what has been prepared involves renouncing what had been before and clearly in this process there is a "before" period as well as an "after." For the Ottomans this is the "after," a direct result of their own actions. However many insurgencies are attempted, that status remains.

Matthew 25:34-35 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in

There is an alternative, that of inclusion rather than hostility, of accepting that God is Jesus and that out our own feeble efforts were as revolting as they were pathetic. Then the "after" becomes as possible as it is certain: certain because it's prepared already just as the world was prepared for us to live in, all those years ago.

Psalm 57:4-5