[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Prayer for Truth

"Love those who are thy enemies." That is something I miss here and there on this forum.

Then you are not paying attention. We love everyone with True Christian(tm) love and do everything to prevent them from going to hell.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Prayer for Truth

New International Version. What does it say?

[Ciffian]

Re: Prayer for Truth

Oh really? Then please, why don't you take an NIV Bible and do this test?

I doesn't change anything. As I told before every bible tells the same story diffrent. For example:

Matthew 5:44 New King James version

"But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you"

This phrase for example, let us take a look at diffrent translations.

Matthew 5:44 Wordwide Translation

But I tell you, love your enemies. Ask God to do good to those who trouble you"

Matthew 5:44 Wordwide Translation

(43-47)
You're familiar with the old written law, 'Love your friend,' and its unwritten companion, 'Hate your enemy.' I'm challenging that. I'm telling you to love your enemies. Let them bring out the best in you, not the worst. When someone gives you a hard time, respond with the energies of prayer, for then you are working out of your true selves, your God-created selves. This is what God does. He gives his best—the sun to warm and the rain to nourish—to everyone, regardless: the good and bad, the nice and nasty. If all you do is love the lovable, do you expect a bonus? Anybody can do that. If you simply say hello to those who greet you, do you expect a medal? Any run-of-the-mill sinner does that.

They all tell us to love our enemies, yet they all differ with the explanation. And take a look in the tekst itself. "Love those who are thy enemies." That is something I miss here and there on this forum.

Love and Peace,

Ciffian

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Prayer for Truth

Just as I said in my previous post, all translations of the bible are telling the story is there own way.

Oh really? Then please, why don't you take an NIV Bible and do this test?

http://www.bible-truth.org/NIVtest.html

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NIV BIBLE TEST It has been said by many that the NIV is the most readable and accurate Bible on the market today and that it is based on older and more reliable manuscripts than the King James Bible. In regard to the above statements an "acid test" is the only fair way to put the NIV and the KJV "to the test" as one might say... so get out you NIV, a pen and when you have completed the test I encourage you to then take a KJV and see the result...
INSTRUCTIONS:
Using the New International Version (NIV) Bible, answer the following questions. Do not rely on your memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must take the answer from the Bible verse (not from footnotes but from the text).

1.Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies,__________ them that curse you, ______________ to them that hate you, and pray for them that __________ and persecute you."
2.According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast out this type of demon? a. ______ b. _______
3.According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth? _______________
4.According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name? ________
5.In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, they were fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew 27:35 from the NIV. ________________
6.In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to cast out demons and to: ____________
7.According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to hear? ____________
8.According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter, etc.). What is his title or last name? _____________
9.In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know? _______________
10.In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According to this verse, what did He come to do? a. _______ b. ________
11.In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus? ___
12.According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was the superscription written? a. _______ b. _______ c. ________
13.In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish? ______________
14.John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ. According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man? __________
15.What happened each year as told in John 5:4? ____________
16.In John 7:50, what time of day did Nicodemus come to Jesus? _______
17.In Acts 8:37, what is the one requirement for baptism? _______
18.What did Saul ask Jesus in Acts 9:6? _______
19.Write the name of the man mentioned in Acts 15:34. _______
20.Study Acts 24:6-8. What would the Jew have done with Paul? What was the chief captain's name? What did the chief captain command? a. _______ b._______ c. _______
21.Copy Romans 16:24 word for word from the NIV. _____________
22.First Timothy 3:16 is perhaps the greatest verse in the New Testament concerning the deity of Christ. In this verse, who was manifested in the flesh? _______
23.In the second part of First Peter 4:14, how do [they] speak of Christ? And, what do we Christians do? a. _______ b. _______
24.Who are the three Persons of the Trinity in First John 5:7? a. ___ b.___ c. ___ 25.Revelation 1:11 is another very important verse that proves the deity of Christ. In the first part of this verse Jesus said, "I am the A______________ and O___________, the _________ and the _______:"



To Check your answers please click this line.

ANSWERS TO THE NIV TEST

As you probably noted there was little space provided for your answers. I think now you see why because if you took the test properly your score was a big goose egg.
However, if you would like to improve your score, and in fact score 100%, you can take this test using the Authorized (King James) Bible."


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NIV Reader: Do you have enough confidence in the NIV to...
tell God, OUT LOUD,
that the NIV is correct in deleting these words and phrases?
If not, you need to get a King James Bible
so you can have some confidence.

Dear Reader, please do not write asking me for information on Mr. Cobb, I do not have any. The test is straightforward. I have a cursed NIV (for reference purposes) and I have verified all the above blanks are missing in my copy of the NIV corruption. For other dangers of the NIV and modern Bibles, please go to our Bible page. For some specific verses that the NIV ENTIRELY DELETES, go to, Which verses did the NIV delete?. Please read, The NIV Perversion."


<b> By the way NIV actually has two other meanings (Nothing in-it Version) and (Non Inspired Version) and that's all it is, A "version" it's not the Infallible, inerrant, inspired Word of God, That scoffers and mockers would have you to believe, But instead its just Prophecies being fulfilled as it says in

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2 Timothy 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Friends that's exactly where we are today seeing the Promises of God being fulfilled before our very eyes, And yet man thinks he knows best and is so far above God that he can do anything he pleases without consequences But to that man there is a "PayDay" Some day and that day is closer than you might think. Repent in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and be Born Again for the Kingdom of God is Nigh at Hand.


Take this quiz.... and see if you can answer the questions truthfully... using a NIV bible.. then compare it using a KJV this test made me sure that the KJV was the true bible.. In Revelation it says do not delete or add unto the bible, I realized with this test and the website that the NIV and others are bad... some examples...in the KJV the word lucifer is found only once in the following verse :
Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
So we know that in the NIV the "morning star" is a negative, evil figure. Right? He was fallen from heaven. He was cast down to the earth. Can we find the "morning star" anywhere else in the NIV? Yes! The following passages in the NIV show the "morning star" as Jesus Christ! But the NIV just called the fallen creature of Isaiah 14:12 "morning star". Lucifer AND Jesus are ONE in the NIV! Lord have mercy, Jesus! Help me, Lord.
NIV: Revelation 22:16,
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you [1] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

there are others also... Like the NIV deletes 1John 5:7 which is one of the greatest verses in the KJV it says :

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (1 John 5:7)

thats the basis on most people with the Trinity... if ya notice the JW bible and NIV bible delete the same verses and are almost exact match, the JW bible doesnt have this verse because they dont believe in the trinity...

Theres alot more but not enough room to type..

So now what do you think of this "accurate, easy-to-understand, up-to-date Bible"? If these 25 questions haven't served to show you that the NIV is a very inferior Bible, based on a very inferior Greek text, write me and I'll make up another quiz with 25 more questions, or 250, if you wish; but you will still flunk the test. If you would like to improve your score, and in fact score 100%, you can take this test using the Authorized (King James) Bible.


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[Ciffian]

Re: Prayer for Truth

So you admit to no reading the KJV1611 Holy Bible yet at the same time you draw conclusions about its content. Why not stop being ignorant and start actually reading it?

Because I didn't read it, doesn't mean I don't know anything about its content. Just as I said in my previous post, all translations of the bible are telling the story is there own way. But in the end, it all comes to the same point. So no, I am not going to read it.

So don't even bother calling me ignorant.

Love and Peace,

Ciffian

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Prayer for Truth

Because every version of the bible tells the same story in a diffrent way. I admit that the KJV1611 Bible is a better translation, it is also way harder. But the stories are all the same.

So you admit to no reading the KJV1611 Holy Bible yet at the same time you draw conclusions about its content. Why not stop being ignorant and start actually reading it?

[Ciffian]

Re: Prayer for Truth

As I expected.

How can you know that without trying it!?

Because every version of the bible tells the same story in a diffrent way. I admit that the KJV1611 Bible is a better translation, it is also way harder. But the stories are all the same. I have a Bible here at my home. And when I compare certain sentences, the same conclusions are drawen from them.

And because I already tried this multiple times, I see no use of doing it agian.
Another reason why I walk a diffrent path.

Love and Peace,

Ciffian

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Prayer for Truth

You're right, I did not read the KJV1611 Holy Bible.

As I expected.

And even if I did, it would not change my perspective.

How can you know that without trying it!?

[Ciffian]

Re: Prayer for Truth

It seems to me you didn't read the entire KJV1611 Holy Bible yet, otherwise you would not be saying that.

You're right, I did not read the KJV1611 Holy Bible. And even if I did, it would not change my perspective. I did read another Bible translation, though. I received the gift troughout my lifetime to see on subject from multiple view points. This gave the option to seek the truth in every viewpoint. Doesn't matter to me if it is from a Atheïst viewpoint or those from a Goth, Christian, Muslim or any other viewpoint. Once agian thats why I request a prayer. A prayer so I one day find the universal truth somewhere hidden within.

Love and Peace,

Ciffian

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Prayer for Truth

And reading the KJV1611 Bible doesn't change that.

It seems to me you didn't read the entire KJV1611 Holy Bible yet, otherwise you would not be saying that.

[Ciffian]

Re: Prayer for Truth

There is where our view differs. I see that one only can see things from his/her perspective and that it is very hard (if not impossible) for everyone one to understand the exact same thing of something. You believe the exact opposite. It would be a waste of time trying to convince each other. So lets just lay it to rest.

You will have to stop playing with cubes and start reading the KJV1611 Holy Bible for that.

As I stated in the beginning of this forum i've tried that already a few times. Every time I couldn't hold on to my faith. And reading the KJV1611 Bible doesn't change that.

See, I walk a diffrent path than most people of this forum. All I ask is a prayer and support from my fellow believers.

I thank you.

Love and Peace,

Ciffian

PS: Nothing, really Nothing is impossible.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Prayer for Truth

Not true. The way one person takes thing literally out of the bible and the way another person takes things literally out of the bible differs.

That's impossible. You can take it literally only one way.

Another example. Let us imagine a cube with six sides. The total cube is red, except for the top face. The top face is blue. When we both look at the cube, you might say: I like the red color. I might say: I like the blue color. We then both literally take how the cube is, yet we see and interpered two diffrent things. So in any case seeing things literally is not exactly possible, because some sort of interpertation is always involved.

Saying you like red or blue has nothing to do with taking something literally. The literal version would be an accurate description of the cube.

But anyway this is not exactly where this topic is about. I wanted to ask if people could pray for me to find the Truth.

You will have to stop playing with cubes and start reading the KJV1611 Holy Bible for that.

[Ciffian]

Re: Prayer for Truth

You can not have it both ways, you either take it literally or you do not.

Not true. The way one person takes thing literally out of the bible and the way another person takes things literally out of the bible differs.

Another example. Let us imagine a cube with six sides. The total cube is red, except for the top face. The top face is blue. When we both look at the cube, you might say: I like the red color. I might say: I like the blue color.

We then both literally take how the cube is, yet we see and interpered two diffrent things. So in any case seeing things literally is not exactly possible, because some sort of interpertation is always involved.

But anyway this is not exactly where this topic is about. I wanted to ask if people could pray for me to find the Truth.

So please take the time to consider.

Thank you in advance.

Love and Peace,

Ciffian

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Prayer for Truth

Even when taken literally people just interpered it.

You can not have it both ways, you either take it literally or you do not.

[Ciffian]

Re: Prayer for Truth

That is easy, just stop interpreting and start taking it literally. God wants to make it easy for us, not hard. He is a great guy!

Even when taken literally people just interpered it. For example:

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

One person reads that the only way to God is trough Jesus and leaves it with that. The other person reads this sentence and learns that there are more ways to Jezus, so there are more ways to God, going all trough Jezus.

It means, that even when people takes the bible literally, they still have diffrent meanings about it. But that is just logical. It would be boring if we were all the same. Therefore I find it hard to believe that only one kind of believe is the right one. Once agian I say that it is the reason that I am here. Seeking for the truth.

Love and Peace,

Ciffian