Prayer for Truth

[Ciffian]

Hello everyone,

I aks if people could pray for me on my search to the truth. I have faith that I will learn all the meaning someday, but it does help if I know that other believers got my back.

I thank you for taking the time.

Love and Peace,

Ciffian

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Prayer for Truth

Buy a Bible (KJV 1611). Read it. Problem solved.

[Ciffian]

Re: Prayer for Truth

Have a bible. And I read it. But I don't believe that the bible is the compleet truth. Thats why I am still searching.

Love and Peace,

Ciffian

[James Hutchins]

Re: Prayer for Truth

Mr. Claven, unless it is a KJV1611 Bible and you have honest faith, and read and live by every single word in the Bible without deviation, you will always be lost.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Prayer for Truth

Why do you hate Jesus?

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

You sound more like Pontius Pilate (not a good sign!)

John 18:37Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. 38Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.

[Ciffian]

Re: Prayer for Truth

Why do you hate Jesus?

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

You sound more like Pontius Pilate (not a good sign!)

John 18:37Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. 38Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.

First of all, can you explain to me why you draw the conclusion that I hate Jesus. I mean, just like metioned in John 14:6 that he is the and the way, the thruth and the life. I agree with you in all therms that Jesus is the way to God, but what is the way to Jesus? That is the truth I am seeking.

And the last sentence of your qoute. Doesn't it say that searching for the truth is a good thing. Please correct me if interpered it wrong.

Mr. Claven, unless it is a KJV1611 Bible and you have honest faith, and read and live by every single word in the Bible without deviation, you will always be lost.

Why is that. Is searching around the Holy Word wrong?


Love and Peace ot both of you,

Ciffian

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Prayer for Truth

First of all, can you explain to me why you draw the conclusion that I hate Jesus. I mean, just like metioned in John 14:6 that he is the and the way, the thruth and the life. I agree with you in all therms that Jesus is the way to God, but what is the way to Jesus? That is the truth I am seeking.

The way to Jesus is to follow His words (conveniently preserved in His bestselling book, the Bible).

He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life. -- John 5:24

Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels. -- Mark 8:38

And the last sentence of your qoute. Doesn't it say that searching for the truth is a good thing. Please correct me if interpered it wrong.

It says whoever listens to Jesus is hearing the truth. There is no searching involved. Pilate is the one searching, by question His words.

Why is that. Is searching around the Holy Word wrong?

Yes. The Scripture is not open to private interpretation (2 Peter 1:20)

[Ciffian]

Re: Prayer for Truth

He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life. -- John 5:24

This phrase indeed says that faith in Jesus is a way to Jesus and in turn to God. Yet it does not say it is the only way.

Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

True, but I am not ashamed of anyone, including Jesus and God.

It says whoever listens to Jesus is hearing the truth. There is no searching involved. Pilate is the one searching, by question His words.

Ah, a clear explination. Thank you. =)

Yes. The Scripture is not open to private interpretation (2 Peter 1:20)

I disagree. Everyone interperete the bible in a diffrent way. If someone follows the bible word after word, then he would interpered those words he/she reads. Another person who is reading the same passage, may understand it in a compleet diffrent way. Therefore I can't understand de danger of searching multiple oppinions of the Bible, because everyone reads something else.

But I must thank you. This is really the first comment which does not carry any negative form of context. Thank you for that

Love and Peace,

Ciffian

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Prayer for Truth

Usually when people say they're "searching for the truth" what they're doing is looking for an easy way out. Is that what you're doing? Because if you want an easy way, you can always go to a feel good church and condemn yourself to hell.

Matthew 7:13-15 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

True Christianity(TM) is a hard path to follow. Get yourself a KJV Bible, read it, live it, LOVE it! And don't try to read more into things than is really there. We're called Fundamentalists for a reason.

[Ciffian]

Re: Prayer for Truth

Usually when people say they're "searching for the truth" what they're doing is looking for an easy way out. Is that what you're doing? Because if you want an easy way, you can always go to a feel good church and condemn yourself to hell.

Matthew 7:13-15 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

True Christianity™ is a hard path to follow. Get yourself a KJV Bible, read it, live it, LOVE it! And don't try to read more into things than is really there. We're called Fundamentalists for a reason.

Believe me, the path that I walk is a tough one. And it is certainly not a way out. It is actually a way in. The reason is search is actually because I have rejoined Christianity three times in life. And three times I could not hold on to faith. This because the first lesson I ever had to learn was that God loved every single on of his creation. This include people of other believes, but thats of topic.

Anyway, my point is that I search for the true believe. I do not know what believe to follow exactly. Members of this site follow the bible worth for worth. I respect that, but other churches do the exact same thing, yet they are diffrent. So who is correct exactly?

And when I am going to read the bible, my interpertation will always be diffrent on some points as others. So how would I that now if I am doing right? How do you guys know you're doing right?

This last text was not meant in any way to offend someone. Please don't take it that way. I only seek the truth, and awnsers to these question are part of the deal, I'm afraid.

Thank you for taking the time to awnser these questions. =)

Love and Peace,

Ciffian

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Prayer for Truth

And when I am going to read the bible, my interpertation will always be diffrent on some points as others. So how would I that now if I am doing right? How do you guys know you're doing right?

That is easy, just stop interpreting and start taking it literally. God wants to make it easy for us, not hard. He is a great guy!

[Ciffian]

Re: Prayer for Truth

That is easy, just stop interpreting and start taking it literally. God wants to make it easy for us, not hard. He is a great guy!

Even when taken literally people just interpered it. For example:

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

One person reads that the only way to God is trough Jesus and leaves it with that. The other person reads this sentence and learns that there are more ways to Jezus, so there are more ways to God, going all trough Jezus.

It means, that even when people takes the bible literally, they still have diffrent meanings about it. But that is just logical. It would be boring if we were all the same. Therefore I find it hard to believe that only one kind of believe is the right one. Once agian I say that it is the reason that I am here. Seeking for the truth.

Love and Peace,

Ciffian

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Prayer for Truth

Even when taken literally people just interpered it.

You can not have it both ways, you either take it literally or you do not.

[Ciffian]

Re: Prayer for Truth

You can not have it both ways, you either take it literally or you do not.

Not true. The way one person takes thing literally out of the bible and the way another person takes things literally out of the bible differs.

Another example. Let us imagine a cube with six sides. The total cube is red, except for the top face. The top face is blue. When we both look at the cube, you might say: I like the red color. I might say: I like the blue color.

We then both literally take how the cube is, yet we see and interpered two diffrent things. So in any case seeing things literally is not exactly possible, because some sort of interpertation is always involved.

But anyway this is not exactly where this topic is about. I wanted to ask if people could pray for me to find the Truth.

So please take the time to consider.

Thank you in advance.

Love and Peace,

Ciffian

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Prayer for Truth

Not true. The way one person takes thing literally out of the bible and the way another person takes things literally out of the bible differs.

That's impossible. You can take it literally only one way.

Another example. Let us imagine a cube with six sides. The total cube is red, except for the top face. The top face is blue. When we both look at the cube, you might say: I like the red color. I might say: I like the blue color. We then both literally take how the cube is, yet we see and interpered two diffrent things. So in any case seeing things literally is not exactly possible, because some sort of interpertation is always involved.

Saying you like red or blue has nothing to do with taking something literally. The literal version would be an accurate description of the cube.

But anyway this is not exactly where this topic is about. I wanted to ask if people could pray for me to find the Truth.

You will have to stop playing with cubes and start reading the KJV1611 Holy Bible for that.