[loveis..]

Re: Please pray for Sister Pamela Thompson

Yes I've read the Bible many times over. I am a life long disciple of the Word and the rubbish that Landover publishes bears no resemblance to the true word of God. Landover is a disgrace and an embarrassment to the body of Christ. False prophets spewing hateful out of context, twisting of scripture.

i agree.. I never thought there were groups like this but apparently there are... all we can do is pray that they will see the truth and hope and pray they don't suck anymore people into this nonsense...

[Irrational One]

Re: Please pray for Japanese nuclear reactors to meltdown

'Religion' is a MAN-MADE psychological construct. Christianity/Hinduism/Buddhism/Satanism etc. were all man-made thought-constructs...they did not EXIST until we (mankind) made them up in our own minds. 'Religion' is the anti-spirit.

Before mankind could fathom the concept of 'religion', before mankind could fathom the thought-concept of 'faith', before mankind could fathom the notion of 'supernatural power(s)', before mankind could fathom the belief in a 'divine power'....before all of that, there was: GOOD, EVIL, LOVE, HATE, RESPECT, AND DISRESPECT...ALL OF WHICH EXISTED NATURALLY IN THE FREE-WILL, SPACE-AND-TIME IN WHICH WE EXIST IN.

Religion gets in the way of mankind reaching/understand his or her own 'self-actualization'. The natural spirit that is in all our physical bodies does not need religion, all it needs is FREE-WILL and the universal expectation of RESPECT.

[studentoftheword (On Moderation)]

Re: Please pray for Japanese nuclear reactors to meltdown

Why do you think we are praying for disaster to strike Japan? It is precisely because of our Christian Love that we want them to snap out of their delusional way of thinking and accept Jesus Christ as their personal LORD and Savior! If you had one iota of Christian discernment, you would realize this.

The Holy Spirit is telling me that you are no Saved® because you flagrantly refuse to follow His Word in its entirety.

And just so you realize that our prayers are indeed being answered, take a look at this uplifting story:

What have you done for the Glory of the Kingdom lately, son?

Oh really? What if I told you that the Holy Sprit was telling me the same thing about you? You have no right to judge me. You are usurping God's role.

Read the scripture and be learn IF you are able. You do take scripture literally don't you. Take this then:

Romans 2:1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

Interesting how you handle people who point out your errors. You slow them down by forcing more time between posts to give yourself an advantage. Can't think fast enough?

[studentoftheword (On Moderation)]

Re: Please pray for Japanese nuclear reactors to meltdown

What do you think we've been doing all these years?!! What do you think I'VE BEEN TRAVELLING THERE all these years for?!

You don't know what you're talking about, boy!




And why would you put yourself in direct opposition to God's Loving Wrath against that demon worshiping nation? Who are you to judge God?

Putting "stud" back into Bible study? Is Pastor Ezekial having a pride problem? I don't know what you've been praying for. Hopefully you have been praying fro Japan to come to Christ. I would certainly agree with you there. I don't agree with this thread that prays for a nuclear holocaust to fall upon Japan. You presume that's what God wants. How do you what is in the mind and heart of God?

Isaiah 55:

8For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 9For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

[Born Again Bob]

Re: Please pray for Japanese nuclear reactors to meltdown

Dear Friend,

'Religion' is a MAN-MADE psychological construct. Christianity/Hinduism/Buddhism/Satanism etc. were all man-made thought-constructs...they did not EXIST until we (mankind) made them up in our own minds. 'Religion' is the anti-spirit.

Before mankind could fathom the concept of 'religion', before mankind could fathom the thought-concept of 'faith', before mankind could fathom the notion of 'supernatural power(s)', before mankind could fathom the belief in a 'divine power'....before all of that, there was: GOOD, EVIL, LOVE, HATE, RESPECT, AND DISRESPECT...ALL OF WHICH EXISTED NATURALLY IN THE FREE-WILL, SPACE-AND-TIME IN WHICH WE EXIST IN.

Religion gets in the way of mankind reaching/understand his or her own 'self-actualization'. The natural spirit that is in all our physical bodies does not need religion, all it needs is FREE-WILL and the universal expectation of RESPECT.

How is Lyndon Larouche these days?

YIH,
BAB

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Please pray for Japanese nuclear reactors to meltdown

"Pastor" William Nathaniel. You are absolutely incorrect. First the word perfect in scripture does not mean without sin. The word in the greek means "mature", not sinless. The Bible makes it very clear we are all sinners. Christians are imperfect people saved by God's grace. You are a wonderful example of imperfection yourself. I at least admit to my imperfection.

I have heard that argument before. In Matthew 5, when Jesus exhorts us to be perfect, the word used is teleios. That quite literally means perfect. Strong's defines it thusly. You total depravity dummies are putting a lot on hoping that it is definition 4b1.

1) brought to its end, finished
2) wanting nothing necessary to completeness
3) perfect
4) that which is perfect
a) consummate human integrity and virtue
b) of men
1) full grown, adult, of full age, mature

You still haven't accounted for Luke 1 and all the Old Testament scriptures.

1 John 1

8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

Again, that is before Salvation. Why would John go on to completely contradict himself in chapter 3 if it wasn't?

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Please pray for Japanese nuclear reactors to meltdown

Oh really? What if I told you that the Holy Sprit was telling me the same thing about you? You have no right to judge me. You are usurping God's role.

While you sit high on the judgment seat of us. Pride comes before the fall.

Interesting how you handle people who point out your errors. You slow them down by forcing more time between posts to give yourself an advantage. Can't think fast enough?

It's to make you actually put some work into your posts instead of hysterically waving your arms screaming at us that we are doing Christianity wrong.

[Jedediah]

Re: Please pray for Japanese nuclear reactors to meltdown

Oh really? What if I told you that the Holy Sprit was telling me the same thing about you? You have no right to judge me. You are usurping God's role.

Then I would say that you are a liar and a backbiter, attempting to sow discord and deceive Jesus' very elect. God hates that! (Proverbs 6:16-19)

The Holy Spirit is telling me that your mind is infested with demons, who whisper wicked things into your ear. I will keep you in my prayers.

Read the scripture and be learn IF you are able. You do take scripture literally don't you. Take this then:

Romans 2:1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

How dare you suggest that the Bible contradicts Itself!

Paul is addressing unsaved trash here, not True Christians™. In fact, I was taught in seminary that Paul was addressing dirty, hypocritical jews in Romans 2. But don't believe me; read for yourself.

Let's read what Paul says when he is writing to Jesus' elect instead of Christ-killers.

I Corinthians 2:15
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

As blood-bought children of God who follow His Commandments and abide by His Word without deviation, not only may we judge others; others may not judge us!

Paul goes on to tell the Corinthians that we will indeed judge angels in our righteousness and perfection. Hosanna!

I Corinthians 6:2-4
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.

[studentoftheword (On Moderation)]

Re: Please pray for Japanese nuclear reactors to meltdown

I have heard that argument before. In Matthew 5, when Jesus exhorts us to be perfect, the word used is teleios. That quite literally means perfect. Strong's defines it thusly. You total depravity dummies are putting a lot on hoping that it is definition 4b1.

1) brought to its end, finished
2) wanting nothing necessary to completeness
3) perfect
4) that which is perfect
a) consummate human integrity and virtue
b) of men
1) full grown, adult, of full age, mature

You still haven't accounted for Luke 1 and all the Old Testament scriptures.



Again, that is before Salvation. Why would John go on to completely contradict himself in chapter 3 if it wasn't?

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Everything you mention here argues in favor of the maturity argument. One of your lines even uses the word maturity. NONE of these definitions say anything about sinless perfection.

Also 1 John is addressed to believers. This IS NOT speaking t to the unsaved. The audience is beleivers. As backup I submit again the verses from the Apostle Paul:

1 Timothy 1:15 - This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Paul says "I am chief". This is present tense, not past before he was saved.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Please pray for Japanese nuclear reactors to meltdown

Everything you mention here argues in favor of the maturity argument. One of your lines even uses the word maturity. NONE of these definitions say anything about sinless perfection.

Again, you have no response for Luke 1 and all the Old Testament quotes I showed you.

Also 1 John is addressed to believers. This IS NOT speaking t to the unsaved. The audience is beleivers.

Stop the presses! 1 John is telling believers that they don't sin?

That's my point precisely.

As backup I submit again the verses from the Apostle Paul:

1 Timothy 1:15 - This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Paul says "I am chief". This is present tense, not past before he was saved.

Are you saying the Bible is contradictory?

I am trying to show you, using the Bible, why you are wrong and are hell bound!

[studentoftheword (On Moderation)]

Re: Please pray for Japanese nuclear reactors to meltdown

Then I would say that you are a liar and a backbiter, attempting to sow discord and deceive Jesus' very elect. God hates that! (Proverbs 6:16-19)

The Holy Spirit is telling me that your mind is infested with demons, who whisper wicked things into your ear. I will keep you in my prayers.

How dare you suggest that the Bible contradicts Itself!

Paul is addressing unsaved trash here, not True Christians™. In fact, I was taught in seminary that Paul was addressing dirty, hypocritical jews in Romans 2. But don't believe me; read for yourself.

Let's read what Paul says when he is writing to Jesus' elect instead of Christ-killers.

I Corinthians 2:15
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

As blood-bought children of God who follow His Commandments and abide by His Word without deviation, not only may we judge other; others may not judge us!

Paul goes on to tell the Corinthians that we will indeed judge angels in our righteousness and perfection. Hosanna!

I Corinthians 6:2-4
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.

Again you presume to judge my salvation and claim to have discernment from the Holy Spirit - not your right to do so. You could not be more wrong but let me predict that you will of course claim to be right. I welcome your prayers but not your vile judgments. I'm only hoping to set you straight and deter you from your self-righteousness, not sow discord. By your responses I can see that is very doubtful.

[Samuel Coleridge]

Re: Please pray for Japanese nuclear reactors to meltdown

Everything you mention here argues in favor of the maturity argument. One of your lines even uses the word maturity. NONE of these definitions say anything about sinless perfection.

Also 1 John is addressed to believers. This IS NOT speaking t to the unsaved. The audience is beleivers. As backup I submit again the verses from the Apostle Paul:

1 Timothy 1:15 - This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Paul says "I am chief". This is present tense, not past before he was saved.

To be honest with you, friend. 1 and 2 Timothy are highly suspect as not being actually written by Paul even by Christian scholars. You should do a search on Authorship of Pauline epistles.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Please pray for Japanese nuclear reactors to meltdown

First the word perfect in scripture does not mean without sin. The word in the greek means "mature", not sinless.

Hello friend. Let's use your word mature in the context of Matthew 5:48.

Be ye therefore mature, even as your Father which is in heaven is mature.

Does that make any sense to you?

In Christ,

Levi Jones.

[Jedediah]

Re: Please pray for Japanese nuclear reactors to meltdown

Again you presume to judge my salvation and claim to have discernment from the Holy Spirit - not your right to do so.

You would have a point if I wasn't a True Christian™ whose every though, word, and deed is guided by the Spirit. However, as a perfect, righteous, blood-bought beloved son of God, it is entirely my right and my prerogative to judge you and all the other false christians who come here in a vain attempt to promulgate false doctrine.

The first several verses of Matthew 7 tells us that if we judge, we will be judged accordingly. But as all my actions are guided by the Holy Spirit and I only judge in righteousness, I welcome God to judge me! Perhaps He will give me an even larger mansion in Heaven! Praise Him!

You could not be more wrong but let me predict that you will of course claim to be right. I welcome your prayers but not your vile judgments. I'm only hoping to set you straight and deter you from your self-righteousness, not sow discord. By your responses I can see that is very doubtful.

Please do not mistake my scourging and chastening as a negative thing. I want you to join me in Heaven, and if I did not love you with Christian Love, I wouldn't be wasting my words on you.

Hebrews 12:5-8
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

I hope you have found this edifying, and I exhort you to take your faith more seriously.

YIC

[studentoftheword (On Moderation)]

Re: Please pray for Japanese nuclear reactors to meltdown

Hello friend. Let's use your word mature in the context of Matthew 5:48.

Be ye therefore mature, even as your Father which is in heaven is mature.

Does that make any sense to you?

In Christi,

Levi Jones.

Finally a good point. I've been on this forum all evening and this is the first reasonable thing I've heard. I do see your point on this and I'm going to give it some thought and study. I do feel that the lion's share of verses that use the word perfect would be better translated mature but this one has a more difficult rendering. Still I think it is possible if you understand it to me completion as opposed to sinless perfection. I will give this some thought and I appreciate a reasonable post - finally.