[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Please Pray for Jacques

O Lord of Mercy and Compassion, mayest Thou find it pleasing to smite Jacques with astonishment of the brain, as Thou smotest Saul of Tarsus on the Road to Damascus.



For Saul, like Jacques, had a record of brutalizing and persecuting Christians, and thus, having been so smitten like Saul (whom you later called Paul, for “P” is holier than “S”) Jacques may see the Way, The Truth and The Light.

Thus instructed by Thee, may Jacques, like us, walk in the paths of righteousness and may he forsake utterly the Anti-Christ and his minions, their idolatry, trappings, false creeds, heretical and multiple gods and all association with the church of Rome.

We ask this not for ourselves (though well Thou knowest what a pain he has been and how we, thine unworthy servants, have borne it with good grace and fortitude) but for Jacques sake, the sake of his Salvation and his immortal soul.

Amen

[Nobar King]

Re: Please Pray for Jacques

I prayed really hard that he would just go away.

two-shay~!

[Roberta]

Re: Please Pray for Jacques

I prayed really hard that he would just go away.

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: Please Pray for Jacques

Please note I have not lived in France since I was three years old. I am confident in the knowledge that (a) I am American and (b) I am saved. But thanks for your concern.

He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth.... 1 Timothy 6:3-4

[JennyD]

Re: Please Pray for Jacques

While you are no longer in sin when you are saved, you still make mistakes and you're still a sinner.

How sad.

I see that you believe that humans do not have free will.

As a True Christian(tm), I recognize that I choose all my courses of action. I am responsible for sinning or not sinning.

Since I love Jesus, and understand that He went to great lengths to Save(c) me from sin, I find myself unable and unwilling to consider sinning. You apparently do not have the same love and respect for Jesus and His temporary sacrifice as we do.

Let's review all that He went through for us, shall we?

First, He created the universe, the earth, and humans. That's a lot of work, right there.

He put the first people into a wonderful garden, and told them they could eat whatever they wanted, except the fruit of just two trees. Of course, being God, He knew exactly what they would do (omniscience, ya know), but left the trees unguarded anyway. That's a bold move. He told them that if they ate of those trees, they would die in the very same day.

The humans did exactly what God knew they would do, and ate of one of the trees. After all, they didn't know it was wrong to disobey God, because they didn't know right from wrong until they ate from the tree!

God, talking to His other face, Holy Spirit, knew that soon the humans would eat of the Tree of Life, and become "like gods" too. Odd that God would create a tree with fruit that would make people like gods, put it in front of them, and then tell them not to eat from it, but His ways are His to understand. Maybe it was a very pretty tree.

So, God in His infinite mercy decided to go back on His promise of immediate death and merely kicked them out of the Garden. Instead of having to follow just one rule, He gave them a whole heaping pile of new laws to follow, and new ones coming along as generations passed, with eternal damnation the result of breaking just one.

A number of generations later, God saw that nearly all humans were ignoring His laws. Those ingrates! They were worshipping other gods, or none at all! (Atheists! ) Here, God had a choice: He could come to Earth and make Himself known to the people, or He could drown all the humans, including the little newborn (and unborn) babies who didn't even know what a god was yet, and drown all the animals, too.

Clearly, the latter was the better option, so He opened up the floodgates and only allowed Noah and family (along with a boatload of animals) to escape. That's quite a sacrifice, I believe. He destroyed nearly all of His own creation because one creature, the humans, didn't believe in Him or obey, all because He loved them so much that He wanted them to believe by faith, not by actually seeing Him, as Adam and Eve had seen Him. Personally, I think the floodwaters were mixed with God's own tears as He watched His creation die.

Fast forward a couple thousand years, and the humans are at it again. They've divided into a number of cultures after the whole Tower of Babel incident, when they tried to build a tower to Heaven out of mud bricks. Instead of watching them fail and laughing -- how high did they think they could build out of mud? We have buildings far taller now! -- God got mad and made them speak all different languages. Of course, following this, they'd be unable to read the Scriptures or remind one another of God's true nature, and their beliefs diverged into all manner of perversions.

So, God got tired of all these perversions, and decided to change the game.

He sent an angel to talk to Mary, a virgin Jewess (probably about 12 years old or so). The angel told her that she was going to bear God's son.

Then, God used His alternate face of Holy Spirit to impregnate the woman who would be His earthly mother.

When born, He appeared with His third face, that of Jesus.

As Jesus, God went about teaching in parables. His intent? To CONFUSE the Unsaved, of course!

Luke 8:10
And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

Naturally, all this confusing teaching ticked off the True Jews(tm), who convinced the authorities to crucify Jesus, an execution usually reserved for thieves and murderers.

Jesus prayed to Himself, asking Himself:

Luke 22:42
Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

Apparently, He refused His own request. So, He went and got crucified, and was temporarily dead for two to three days. Then, He got up, wandered about the countryside saying "HAI! Sooprize! I'z not ded! See ma hole?" to a handful of people (not including any of the True Jews(tm) or Pilate or His executioners), and went back to Heaven to watch over humans with His other two faces, God and Holy Spirit.

Now, if that's not doing a LOT for humans, I don't know what is.

It is possible for you to sin after knowing these things? That tells me that you are in no way, shape, or form a True Christian(tm).

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Please Pray for Jacques

You are totally missing the point made in Romans 3. While you are no longer in sin when you are saved, you still make mistakes and you're still a sinner.

Consider I Tim 1:15:

"This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief."

Paul uses the present tense, and describes himself as the ‘chief’ sinner. I think that establishes the point I am trying to make.

I'm thinking that you'd like to see confessional booth in Baptist Churches and have priests as the only ones who can speak to Jesus...

We follow every word of the Bible - remind me, Who was it Who said, "Go and sin no more."? And would He have said it if He thought it not possible?

[Walter Brimstone]

Re: Please Pray for Jacques

Jacques,

"While you are no longer in sin when you are saved, you still make mistakes and you're still a sinner. "

How can you make a mistake and be a True Christian™ at the same time? It's a foregone conclusion that it can't be done. Once you become a True Christian™ you can't sin, period. My esteemed friends have provided proof beyond words and you choose to pervert what they say into something that is to your taste and God will (and you mark my words) send you to hell where you and your homer friends belong.

In Him,

Walter Brimstone

[Jacques Anape]

Re: Please Pray for Jacques

You are totally missing the point made in Romans 3. While you are no longer in sin when you are saved, you still make mistakes and you're still a sinner.

Consider I Tim 1:15:

"This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief."

Paul uses the present tense, and describes himself as the ‘chief’ sinner. I think that establishes the point I am trying to make.

[Walter Brimstone]

Re: Please Pray for Jacques

Quoting Jacques: "If you are teaching otherwise you are teaching a false gospel."

I fail to see how Jesus Himself could be commanding us to teach a false gospel like the New International Perversion as an example? Jesus never, repeat, never told us to sugarcoat His words like the NIP does. That's like Him telling us to go worship a false god. Far as that Romans 3:23, you took that completely out of context. When Jesus said "All have sinned" He meant "ALL SINNERS" Equating a True Christian™ and a hellbound heathen is all you're doing. I want you to do Jesus a favor check these verses out which goes along with what is being said:

2 Corinthians 6:13-15

13Now for a recompence in the same, (I speak as unto my children,) be ye also enlarged.

14Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

My point is this, Don't be equating opposites like you are. If anyone else can expand to this, they are most welcome to do so.

In Him,

Walter Brimstone

[Deaner]

Re: Please Pray for Jacques

EVERYONE is a sinner. NO exceptions. Even the most dedicated and devout can NEVER live up to the standard of Jesus.

Wrong again Jacques-O; once we're saved we are sin free...

1st John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

[Jacques Anape]

Re: Please Pray for Jacques

EVERYONE is a sinner. NO exceptions. Even the most dedicated and devout can NEVER live up to the standard of Jesus. We are still humans, and though we may sin less than we did when we were unsaved, we still make mistakes and therefore sin.

If you are teaching otherwise you are teaching a false gospel. Romans 3:23 says that all have sinned and continue to fall short of God's glory - so saved or unsaved - you are a still a sinner in God's eyes.

As for the NIV being a 'false version', that's just plain stupid. It's a far superior translation, and is far greater relevance to folks today, that the KJV of 1611.

[Walter Brimstone]

Re: Please Pray for Jacques

Quite correct, my friend, I will also hasten to add that this sinner used a false version of the verse in question. As far as Jesus is concerned, this will surely speed up his trip to hell.

In Him,

Walter Brimstone

[JennyD]

Re: Please Pray for Jacques

Last I knew this is how it's SUPPOSED to go:

Romans 5:8
8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

In case you are curious, that "us" means True Christians™

In Him,
Walter Brimstone

Mr. Brimstone, you may also wish to note the past tense. While we WERE yet sinners.

We who live in Christ sin no more.

Jacques, you have already declared yourself a sinner. So, how can you possibly be Saved©?

[Walter Brimstone]

Re: Please Pray for Jacques

Jacques,

Being in direct violation of One of God's 10 commandments isn't being Truly Saved ™. By the way, chowderhead, KJV 1611 spoken here at LBC!

"God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" (Romans 5:8). What's this mockery?! Sure looks like New International Perversion to me! Anybody else see something wrong with this?

Last I knew this is how it's SUPPOSED to go:

Romans 5:8
8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

In case you are curious, that "us" means True Christians(tm)

In Him,
Walter Brimstone

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Please Pray for Jacques

God cursed him before he was born by naming him "Jacques". As we all know, French people are all atheists and perverts. What do Voltaire, Camus, and Sartre all have in common? They are all French atheist "thinkers", and they are all roasting in Hell!

God hates existentialists a lot and that's a fact. Especially Camus, for also inspiring queer goth "music".

Touché. Please note I have not lived in France since I was three years old. I am confident in the knowledge that (a) I am American and (b) I am saved. But thanks for your concern.

Don't you have to accept Christ before you can be Saved? Frankly, I'm not even convinced that you're really American.