[Basilissa]

Re: How My Little Pony destroyed my daughter's marriage.

No we are not adding to the word of God. Since the records that became the Book of Mormon was created before the writings of the New Testament.

Thank you for making me laugh. That was really very funny!

Claiming that there was a whole set of writings completely unknown for nearly two millennia until that guy who liked to sleep with many ladies came around!

And the whole thing about the garments I can't really explain. I only turned 18 this year and garments are something I haven't learned much about yet since it's an adult thing. But I do know that garments isn't magic, it's spiritual.

So... you don't wear any underwear at all? Or are you just not using the magic underwear, just the normal stuff?

[IAmGamerFun]

Re: How My Little Pony destroyed my daughter's marriage.

I apologize for you to think the way you think. To laugh and make fun of my beliefs, even though I haven't insulted any of you once. Real mature if I do say so myself. So you keep thinking the way you think. Frankly I don't care much myself. I only came in here to say that not all bronies are the way you make them out to be. So my job here is done. You can keep thinking the way you think, and i won't judge you for your beliefs. Have a good day sir.

[handmaiden]

Re: How My Little Pony destroyed my daughter's marriage.

No we are not adding to the word of God. Since the records that became the Book of Mormon was created before the writings of the New Testament. And the whole thing about the garments I can't really explain. I only turned 18 this year and garments are something I haven't learned much about yet since it's an adult thing. But I do know that garments isn't magic, it's spiritual.

Curious, do the writings of the Book of Mormon reference Jesus at all? Because a half awake Christian scholar can find "types and shadows" of Our Lord Jesus in the Old Testament.


And if Jesus is indeed, "the author and finisher of our faith", why would God release a book that doesn't tell us about His Son before He sent Him to do what He knew He had to do since before the invention of--well, anything?


Seriously, Jesus talked about the Old Testament like, all the time, because it was part and parcel of His claim to Authority as God's point man on earth. If Jesus knew about some other scriptures that His Dad had given to mankind to communicate His Big Reveal, then why no mention?


Are you suggesting that Jesus held out on His own apostles? Why would He do such a thing when He charged them with the sacred mission to preach His gospel? Jesus flashed a big light to blind Saul/Paul so that Paul would hear clearly when Jesus spoke to him directly. Jesus laid a lot of responsibility on Paul's shoulders, but He didn't clue him in on some other critical scriptures?


Wow. You are blowing my mind. God sure does like deceiving His chosen prophets. . . Wait, that doesn't seem right, does it? Hmm . . .deceiving people, now whose MO does that sound like?


Cynically Yours,
Handmaiden

[IAmGamerFun]

Re: How My Little Pony destroyed my daughter's marriage.

The Book of Mormon talks about Jesus, but he only appears in America after his crucifixion. That is the only time Jesus appears as himself in the Book of Mormon. So maybe the reason why Jesus didn't bring it up with his apostles was because it was unknown to all of them except for God.

[handmaiden]

Re: How My Little Pony destroyed my daughter's marriage.

The Book of Mormon talks about Jesus, but he only appears in America after his crucifixion. That is the only time Jesus appears as himself in the Book of Mormon. So maybe the reason why Jesus didn't bring it up with his apostles was because it was unknown to all of them except for God.

And yet the Holy Spirit came to His Disciples en mass within a few weeks after His resurrection. And God directed the Gospel writers and the other Apostles to write out His Truth for the early church so that they would know everything they needed to know to follow Him.

Again, why would God hold out on His Own followers when He was showing them that He was the Truth, the Light and the Way? Why would He send them out to the world to proclaim Salvation and teach them to worship Him when He Himself knew that He was only providing a partial playbook?


You just said that God knew about the book. If people needed the information in the book to be right with God, He would have given it to them when He was providing them with the Blood Sacrifice that He provided them to be right with God.


Head-shakingly Yours,
Handmaiden

[Basilissa]

Re: How My Little Pony destroyed my daughter's marriage.

The Book of Mormon talks about Jesus, but he only appears in America after his crucifixion. That is the only time Jesus appears as himself in the Book of Mormon. So maybe the reason why Jesus didn't bring it up with his apostles was because it was unknown to all of them except for God.

Jesus is God, dear.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: How My Little Pony destroyed my daughter's marriage.

And I wasn't convincing anyone to join my church. Go to the very first post I made and read it, including the replies people made to my comment. And you will see that I did not ask anyone to join once. But please don't tell me to learn more about my own religion. The things you hear about my church are probably either fake or belong to other so called "Mormon branches" like the flds. Please be careful what you read on the Internet. It might not be true.

Or, it might be very much true, but embarrassing when the smoke and mirrors of the pseudo-spiritual aspect is removed and divine tradition is revealed to be 19th century man-made rituals dressed up with some Old Testament spice. The quotes are from your own endowment ceremony, and Mormons have traditionally believed these garments will protect them from fire, bullets, knives and other assaults if the person wearing the garments have kept all of their temple covenants. If they were wrong, the church never corrected them. In fact, many believe it today still.

But how interesting that the most important parts of your religion are tucked away in secret, only to be revealed when you're deeply invested in the ceremony, surrounded by family and church members when emotions run deep and rational thought is suppressed. Until you go through these ceremonies, your own religion's beliefs are still kept secret from you. After the ceremonies, you're only allowed to talk about them in the Temple, which requires an oath for you to pass. So should you doubt your church's beliefs and are unable to take this oath, no one will talk with you about these beliefs. But, should you take that oath in good faith and then ask your bishop about theological inconsistencies, you'll be told you simply need faith. This, my friend, is why I suggest you learn about the teachings of your church. Look into them with an open mind, seeking only the truth and not validation, "If we have the truth, it cannot be harmed by investigation.If we have not the truth, it ought to be harmed." (President J. Reuben Clark)

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: How My Little Pony destroyed my daughter's marriage.

But let's just say that Joseph smith did indeed wrote the Book of Mormon without divine intervention. Remember that Joseph smith was a poor farmer boy with very little education, and they didn't write the way the Book of Mormon is written in, so he had to have some kind of artifact or records in order to speak that way.

It's written in pseudo-Elizabethan English, mixed with the English of the 19th century.

He also prophesied that tobacco and alcohol is bad for the human body. Back then tobacco was something not only used for casual use, but for medical use. In fact chapels were filled with the horrific smell of tobacco smoke back then. No one believed him, but wouldn't you look at that, over 100 years later, it was proven that tobacco was bad for the human body.

So what about all the historical inaccuracies in the BOM? There's no evidence that elephants roamed North America at the time of Ether. And we know that horses, sheep, goats, cattle, wheat and barley were introduced by Europeans.

Oh and then there is this tiny little verse that means a lot. 1. Nephi 3:10 And it came to pass that when we had gone up to the land of Jerusalem, I and my brethren did consult one another. Do you see why that is a major point? No? Ok well let me point it out "gone up to the land of Jerusalem" it's only Jerusalem that they say it like that. The reason why that's a big deal, is that they are literally going up to Jerusalem, as in the city is on a hill, and a steep one at that. Joseph smith wouldn't known about that unless he was extremely educated and had access to ancient artifacts or had divine help. If he was extremely educated, that means he wasn't a poor farmer boy, and if he had access to ancient records, he still needed a translator, something that didn't exist for ancient languages at that time.

That just shows He "borrowed" from the Bible when inventing his new religion.

Is 10:32 As yet shall he remain at Nob that day: he shall shake his hand against the mount of the daughter of Zion, the hill of Jerusalem.

Is 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: How My Little Pony destroyed my daughter's marriage.

Jesus is God, dear.

Interestingly, Joseph Smith originally believed it too, but Mormons today will tell you God and Jesus and the Holy Ghost are three separate, individual entities. Smith changed this view regarding the nature of God over time. One needs only to read the originals against the modern version to see the changes in theology (which is not hard to do as there are over 100,000 changes to theBook of Mormon).

Examples include:

And he said unto me, Behold, the virgin whom thouseest, is the mother of God, after the manner of the flesh. (1 Nephi 3; 1830)
vs
And he said unto me: Behold, the virgin whom thou seest isthe mother of the Son of God, after the manner of the flesh. (current)

and

And the angel said unto me, behold the Lamb of God, yea,even the Eternal Father! (1 Nephi 3; 1830)
vs
And the angel said unto me: Behold the Lamb of God, yea,even the Son of the Eternal Father! (current)

And I looked and beheld the Lamb of God, that he wastaken by the people; yea, the Everlasting God, was judgedof the world; (1 Nephi 11:32; 1830)
vs
And I looked and beheld the Lamb of God, that he wastaken by the people; yea, the Son of the everlasting Godwas judged of the world(current)

These last records…shall make known to all kindreds,tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the EternalFather and the Savior of the world (1 Nephi 13:40; 1830)
vs
1 Nephi 13:40:These last records…shall make known to all kindreds,tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Son of theEternal Father, and the Savior of the world (current)

Then again, the Book of Mormon hasn't been fully corrected, and passages that reveal the Trinitarian belief can still be found in it today:

Behold, I am he who was prepared from the foundation of the world to redeem my people. Behold, I am Jesus Christ. I am the Father and the Son. In me shall all mankind have life, and that eternally, even they who shall believe on my name; and they shall become my sons and my daughters.
And never have I showed myself unto man whom I have created, for never has man believed in me as thou hast. Seest thou that ye are created after mine own image? Yea, even all men were created in the beginning after mine own image. (Ether 3:14-15)


As you can see Sister, the Mormons are theologically a mess. But what kind of intelligence can one expect from a theology that was created by a charlatan who convinced a bunch of gullible fools that God told him to have sex with their wives?

[handmaiden]

Re: How My Little Pony destroyed my daughter's marriage.

As you can see Sister, the Mormons are theologically a mess. But what kind of intelligence can one expect from a theology that was created by a charlatan who convinced a bunch of gullible fools that God told him to have sex with their wives?

The Apostle Paul only told men to have sex with their own wives, and he only allowed that so that they wouldn't get all sweaty thinking about sex at inconvenient moments.


I know that the Mormons like to downplay that whole polygamy thing but it really does seem like a horny fellow using fancy language to justify his behavior.


Sincerely Yours,
Handmaiden

[IAmGamerFun]

Re: How My Little Pony destroyed my daughter's marriage.

Look, I said it once, I'll say it again. I'm done arguing, if you honestly believe Mormons are bad people and all of that, then please go ahead. I can't make you change your ways of thinking. I can only provide you with information hoping that you would understand. So maybe I'll say it again. I'm not gonna argue anymore. We both believe in God, we both believe in the crucifixion of Jesus Christ and his resurrection, and we both read the same bible. So why are we even arguing? Honestly, we have the same beliefs, it's just we have a few things you wouldn't believe in, but we agree on similar things. So just remember to do your research right, check your sources, and understand that this wonderful country gives us freedom of religion, so there is no need for getting on someone else's religion.

[Roland]

Re: How My Little Pony destroyed my daughter's marriage.

[...]

Perhaps you can melt the gold from those plates into a bar and sell it for some profit?

[IAmGamerFun]

Re: How My Little Pony destroyed my daughter's marriage.

Oh and one more thing, that is a great example of getting your sources correctly. Mormons don't believe in polygamy. That would belong to the fundamental Latter Day Saints. They claim they are real Mormons but they ruin our imagery by claiming they are Mormon.

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: How My Little Pony destroyed my daughter's marriage.

So just remember to do your research right, check your sources.

You obviously haven't done this with your own religious beliefs and, sadly, I doubt you will. You've just ignored the contradictions and falsehoods we've shown you. You haven't even made any attempt to address them. Are you afraid of what you'll find if you do?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: How My Little Pony destroyed my daughter's marriage.

I know that the Mormons like to downplay that whole polygamy thing but it really does seem like a horny fellow using fancy language to justify his behavior.

You have to appreciate the power of smooth talking that charlatan had. Can you imagine the conversations?

Joe: Hey Henry, I know this is gonna sound, well... a bit funny. But you see, last night the Holy Ghost came to me in a vision and told me I ought to marry your Zina.

Henry: Um, Joe, you know I love you like a brother, man, but she's my wife.

Joe: Yeah, yeah [scratches head]. It's just that, well... um... it's what Heavenly Father wants, and who am I to say no?

Henry: Seriously? Joe, we've been friends a long time, man. She's my wife.

Joe: I know, Henry. But think about how now that your bed'll be empty, young Abigail who lives down the road could warm it for you, right? I mean, you and Zina have had some squabbles terrible lately. I'll take good care of her and you can raise up Abigail to be the sweet little thing you like a woman to be. You can teach her just what to do in bed if'n you know what I mean! Think about it, man! A sweet young ass like that? All yours? You can train her up just the way you like, and you won't have to listen to Zina's long, boring stories any more? C'mon! Heavenly Father will reward you in Heaven. I promise.

Henry: Okay, okay. You'll talk to Abigail's father?

Joe: Sure! Sure I will! No problem! It'll be worked out by week's end!

Henry: Well, if Heavenly Father wants it...

Joe: He does!

Henry: Well, okay.

Joe: Great! Hey, when you send Zizi over, have her wear that saucy little number that makes her ass look like it's got its own wagon train under that bustle. Yeah! That'll do. Mmm-MMM! Okay, see you later!
Henry: 0.o