[Didymus Much]

Re: The Christian's Guide To Detecting Demonic Music

...if you want a scripture or two to match the occasion, here you go...

Couple things should be covered right about now:

1) Please clear the "waaaaaah" from your KJV search terms and find something relevant. No one is interested in a "no, I'm more persecuted" fight with you.

2) This is their forum, to which they have been kind enough to invite you to participate, as a guest. Tantrums will not be tolerated.

3) Please use the "Quote" function (little button, lower right corner of every post) when replying to make things clearer.

[Farrier88]

Re: The Christian's Guide To Detecting Demonic Music

Didymus Much,


Thanks for the advice, but no I will continue to post my way, if that is to difficult for you, oh well, I stopped caring what anyone on this site thought a while ago. And continue to act superior, I am almost impressed. Also if these good people want to ban me, go right ahead, I don't give a damn at all. Frankly there are more profitable conversation to have, then what can be find on this site.

Luke 9:5 And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.


Sincerely,
Farrier88

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Frankly there are more profitable conversation to have, then what can be find on this site.

Friend, there is nothing more profitable than Salvation! If you are concerned that a True Christian(tm) has misquoted the Word of God, kindly point out where and we'll fix it right away in addition to contributing a small financial gift to the anti-homosexual/revisionist history advocacy organization of your choice!

[Farrier88]

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Mary,


Why bother, you people will just twist it around, show me a true Christian on this site, and maybe I would be concerned, I have been nothing but kind and polite, while your members have been taking pot shots at my character, you are no friend of Jesus Christ, and you are no friend of me either, so why don't you just ban me, because the truth is unwelcome here, and if you don't, I will continue to speak the truth, and if you or any of the other member don't like what I say, well tough. And I am still waiting for my 1000 infraction points.


Sincerely,
Farrier88

[Basilissa]

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Basilissa,

yes I do believe some members on this site our taking the scriptures out of context, But I am willing to discuss this, because as a believer in Jesus Christ, I believe it is important to stand firm together in truth without division.

I am looking forward to you pointing out specific examples rather than just throwing accusations without proof.

As to my fine opinion of man's authority, first it was not an opinion, by following John 3:16-17 I am saved by Christ, I made that statement of man's authority, to clarify that only the person who accepts Christ and Jesus Christ will know if you are actually saved, no third party can make that judgement, that was all I wanted to imply.

Are you implying that faith is the sole condition to be Saved?

If so, the Holy Bible says you are mistaken:

Matthew 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Matthew 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Matthew 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Matthew 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Matthew 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Matthew 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
[. . .]
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
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James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
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James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
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James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

As you should know, not everyone who professes to be a servant of the Lord will be Saved:

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

In addition to believing and doing good works, you have to keep all Commandments:

Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

A single slip and you're on your way to Hell:

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

I'm not judging you (even though Jesus wants me to judge using righteous judgment, John 7:24), I'm just merely stating that your confidence that you are going to Heaven seems a bit exaggerated.

Now, to your statement of abandoning worldly belongings, that would be a difficult task, because your car, your house, your clothing are also worldly belonging, but it would make no sense to get rid of all these thing,

And I do not believe I said that.

[BrotherLarry]

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We do not "damn" anyone here. No one has the power to damn, save God.


However, the Bible explicitly gives us the power to condemn those who ignore Jesus and His teachings. (Isaiah 54:14-17) We have not yet condemned you as far as I can tell, but rather we have reached out in True Christian(TM) love, speaking only the truth that is the Word of God. Hallelujah! Glory! Praise God!


I am not sure why you are so skeptical of my words, since I am definitely not skeptical of them. I live that of which I speak. Being washed in the Blood of the Lamb, I no longer sin (1 John 3:9), which means Christ liveth within me, giving me authority and wisdom. He asks me to be perfect (Matthew 5:48), and I am.


Perhaps you have envy of the fact that I am a handsome, intelligent, well-built, muscular and tall certified equine gnathologist soon to hold a PhD in Creation Science. Perhaps you are just ignorant of what being a Christian truly means. Either way, I want to warm the cockles of your heart and the bowels of your being by informing you that GOD IS ON THE THRONE. He will hear and answer prayer and bring you to His Fullness if you surrender to His will.

Don't close yourself off to those of us who are trying to shew unto you the special gifts of knowledge with which we've been blessed.


Yours,
BrotherLarry

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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But I am willing to discuss this, because as a believer in Jesus Christ, I believe it is important to stand firm together in truth without division.

Tell me what sect or cult do you belong to, and why do you think that "all those other sects and cults are wrong," such that you rejected their dogma and do not attend their so-called 'churches'?

I ask as Landover has the final and only way to Praise God and understand the Bible - We in fact offer you that ability to "stand firm together in truth without division".

[LW1997 (On Moderation)]

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Perfect by Ed Sheeran is the most demonic song ever.
The best song ever? Well, the hymn "Jesus Paid It All"! MARANATHA!

And well, even though nothing replaces the Old Hymns, Psalm 150 tells that ANY type of music can be used to write a worship song:
"Praise ye the Lord. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power. Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness. Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp. Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs. Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals. Let every thing that hath breath praise the Lord. Praise ye the Lord."

Anyways, brethren, this is interesting:

As I can tell you, Alice Cooper, Dave Mustaine (Megadeth) and Brian Welch (KoRn) are Christians.

[Diesel Stanford]

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Why should the devil have all the good music?

And when it comes to secular music (by the way, classical music, is secular too haha), we in Australia and New Zealand have the smallest amount of demonic music It's the lyrics that destroy. You should not listen to anything that has blasphemous or obscene lyrics. OK, and neither 95 % of the trash that's on the Billboard Hot 100.

And about Pat Robertson: he is to be ignored, since he he endorses Catholism.

By the way, this verse without a doubt describes the whole situation:
All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. (1 Corinthians 6:12)
Anyways, nothing can be as evil as homosexuality, abortion and divorce.

[Basilissa]

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Anyways, nothing can be as evil as homosexuality, abortion and divorce.

Careful, dear - abortion is good as long as the mother dies with the child:

Hosea 13:16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

Divorce is accepted under special circumstances:

1 Corinthians 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such [cases]: but God hath called us to peace.

But you are absolutely correct that God abhors homosexuals more than serial killers!

[Mary Etheldreda]

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And about Pat Robertson: he is to be ignored, since he he endorses Catholism.

Really? When?

[Diesel Stanford]

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Really? When?

Pat Robertson on the Pope

[Heavenisbest]

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Not sure if you know much about the fundamentals of music theory but there are many inaccuracies in your post. I have no doubt there are evil/Satanic lyrics. Let me address the other stuff and preface it by the fact (I think!) nowhere in the Bible does it ever warn about evil rhythm patterns, notes or chords. If there is something there please post where.


"Certain rhythms can lead to toe-tapping, dancing, fornication, drug use, murder, and self-mutilation."
Prove it.


"Tempos are measured in beats per minute (BPM) and any song that clocks in at a speed of over 90 BPM should be turned off. 85 to 90 beats per minute is considered the upper limits of the margin of musical safety, and should never be exceeded."
Says who? Not the Bible! And why 90? What's the significance? Why would a faster beat make any inference as to Satanic influences? You make these wild claims and offer absolutely zero evidence to back anything up. I don't even know why I'm bothering to reply to this. I suppose because I don't want other people dissuaded by inaccuracy.
Do you realize that the time interval of a minute is man made? We have hours in the Bible, nothing less, right? We could choose to have 50 minutes in an hour or 1000. We can choose anything we want. Same with the seconds. This is why coming to these conclusions is ludicrous. Did Satan set the number of minutes to the hour? It is 60 after all. 6x10....the devil's number times 10.


"If you find yourself listening to a song with a tempo of 666 BPM"
When I read this I knew your understanding of music is rock bottom. Have you ever looked at a metronome? It doesn't go anywhere near 666. I took music for many years and never did we ever use the metronome past about 140 as I can recall. To think that something is going to be 4 times faster is ridiculous to the extreme. Post on subject you have actual knowledge on!


"The actual rhythm of the song can be much harder to identify for Christians, since they are not used to listening to music with drums."
What? Are you on planet Earth? Almost ALL Christian music today has drums. The music that doesn't have drums in it usually is classical unless you're listening to a symphony which has large drums called Tympani.


"Drums are the most dangerous of all musical instruments, even more than the electric guitar! Drums have their roots in the dark continent of Africa where the voodoo hoodoo is just rampant. It is currently unknown to Christian scientists if it is ever safe to listen to drums or not."
Somebody else posted an exerpt from Psalms talking about cymbals which are percussion. Or are you now going to talk about pitch of percussion and if its too low its Satanic?


Then you talk about rhythm patterns. What makes them Satanic? You give no reasons.


"There is no such thing as 3/3 time because Satanic music theorists want to prevent full glorification of the Holy Trinity."
I can assure you there are MANY classical pieces of music in 3/3 time. It may not be as common as 3/4 time but its there. See the wide variety of rhythm structures here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...er_number_of_3


"Melody (the tune of the song) consists of a series of notes played on an instrument. It is usually accompanied by chords, which determine the "tone" of the music, which is either happy (major chords) or sad (minor chords.)"
Wrong again. Minor chords usually signify stress, danger, caution.....and sometimes sadness. You'll notice most music is in minor keys. Its because its trying to replicate the challenges we feel in life. We don't skip cheerfully to work every day. God wants our minds dwelling on important things that take our full mind to grasp. (Like all the mistakes in your post.)


"Christians should avoid any music that is played in any key except for C Major, which is the only key in which music can be played on the piano without using any of the black keys."


Why? C+ was devised by man. The tones in western music were devised by man. That's why eastern music sounds very different. God didn't set the tones, did He? There are no tone setting instructions in the Bible, are there? If man made it it doesn't carry much weight. Hopefully you've learned that by now. Manmade stuff can never be any authority because it always has errors. The black keys are on a piano. There are other instruments with no black keys. Is it OK to play those tones on different instruments?


It seems you have a thing against black culture.


"Playing the white and black keys together on the piano is glorification of race mixing and desegregation. GOD HATES ACCIDENTALS!"


So you are a racist. Do you not remember all the times people from different groups intermarried in the Bible and it was OK? What was important was their belief in their Creator. Laws we are meant to live by are clearly itemized and often repeated in the Bible. Theft, adultary, fornication, murder, homosexuality, bestiality, idolization and many more are clearly stated over and over. God is a very clear communicator.


You are living in a fantasy world. Open your Bible, get a concordance and good Bible study manuals, and plunge in to reality. I'm sure your motives are good but your common sense is just way off. Its not good to misrepresent your Father.

[Didymus Much]

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...Do you not remember all the times people from different groups intermarried in the Bible and it was OK?...

Prove it.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

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Not sure if you know much about the fundamentals of music theory but there are many inaccuracies in your post. I have no doubt there are evil/Satanic lyrics. Let me address the other stuff and preface it by the fact (I think!) nowhere in the Bible does it ever warn about evil rhythm patterns, notes or chords. If there is something there please post where.

. . . .

I simply don't have the time here to correct all your ignorant blattering about music theory - you're definitely a product of today's education system that will only be corrected once the Republicans return some sanity to our country.

I will take a moment here to address several of your more egrigous and stunning errors concerning God and the Bible (KJV1611) when it comes to music.

The Bible (KJV1611) doesn’t need to speak about music extensively because it comes from natural laws that exist in the universe that God created. Notes and intervals come from the natural laws of vibrating strings, standing waves in tubes of various shapes, and other natural phenomenon that govern the formation of intervals, partials, overtones, phase, and harmonics in the physical world. Even the cymbal sound (percussion) that you talk about is the result of many inharmonic partials that are produced by the instrument.

The "keys" you talk about are simply a way of deriving them by the circle of fifths (or fourths) - nothing more. The use of the key of C is simply a comment on the modern (man made) insistence on using the equal tempered scale - being that there is no longer any difference between the keys as there once was. Even Bach's well tempered clavier left some ambiguity as he didn't bother to tell us how it was tempered.

And yes, there is Satan in music (diabolus in musica), first occurring in the Locrian mode and is known as the tritone or augmented forth (or diminished fifth). The cathylicks once banned its use, but in any event you don't want to listen to it for very long.

Then there is the sin in tempo, mainly coming from rock muscians as the speed at which heathens fornicate (they call it "rocking" in their argot). Many of them freely admit it, so there is no reason that tide-pod eating individuals from your generation should deny it other than stupidity.