[MitzaLizalor]

Re: The Christian's Guide To Detecting Demonic Music

So far in the thread we've seen how different musical styles were used to communicate sentiments alien to the original intended purpose. It's quite common though for a newly invented instrument to be used in a very different way from what its designer imagined. Early electronic devices were made to emulate other instruments, for instance when the shawm player didn't turn up for rehearsal the settings could be adjusted to sound like a shawm and someone else could play the shawm part. What actually happened though, is that weird psychedelic sounds could be made as unlike anything previously possible as you could get.

The Hammond organ is another example. How it finished up being used, in the blues and the jazz and the rock & roll, was very innovative and turned it into a whole new class of instrument. Electric guitar? Same. Both now have extensive repertoires unique to themselves. When samplers came out, again they could be used as the manufacturers imagined but they could also do other things well outside anything envisaged at the design stage and pushing the boundaries into whole new musical genres. Adapting and innovation had always been a part of music.

Demons combine subtle cues in similarly innovative ways. How often have you heard a "catchy" tune but for some reason felt uneasy? There will have been a little quirk slipped in. The subtle grace note, a slightly different tuning – and you're undone. Before long it's magic crystals, new-age amulets, hippie art festivals and all because of a catchy tune. It could even be a well-known piece, a novel twist thrown in: "How is he doing that?" and you investigate. Lutherans, opposed to Rome in every way, produced some great music. So did medieval minstrels. Now though, repurposed contraptions are wheeled out and used by wiccans and by Rome to play new stuff suited to their respective agendas. But it's the same agenda really, isn't it. Satan's agenda. Be very wary when you see these things promoted. It's another way for Christians to successfully detect demonic music.

[Isabella White]

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Yes their music still pesters. On oldies stations you can still hear Little Richard and Fats Domino. Sin dominated their messages.

God has taken out several of them but for some reason Little (Rev. Sin) Richard lives on. Talk about sexual messages, "you sure like to ball" in "Good Golly Miss Molly." Shame.

Oh, I am so happy that you have raised this, dear Brother Mayor Hold, and I do thank you for such a wonderful explanation.

Earlier, we had some discussion about "the great" Bob Dylan -- a "wonder" that I have never understood. As mentioned in my earlier response, I do remember when I first heard of him, around 1967. I could not get over what the fuss was about, and I still have no idea. But, another singer who became popular at the very same time was that Rita Franklin woman of soul, or whatever they call her. You might know of her, the one who screeches her way through a song. Well, it was said that she was a "secularized" gospel singer -- which is really code for "backslidden", no longer serving the -- and was using gospel music and putting the devil's words to the songs! Oh, how annoyed I was when I found that she had replaced Dale Evans on my favorite radio show!

Evidently, one of Rita's biggest songs was based on an actual gospel song -- same tune, same rhythm, same screeching. But, the music to glorify is now about anything other than glorious Son, the . How the must grieve when such abominations take place! You will hear what I mean here:

[Johny Joe Hold]

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Jimi Hendrix, John Lee Hooker, Chuck Berry... those subhuman negro still pesters musical history until this day.

Yes their music still pesters. On oldies stations you can still hear Little Richard and Fats Domino. Sin dominated their messages.

God has taken out several of them but for some reason Little (Rev. Sin) Richard lives on. Talk about sexual messages, "you sure like to ball" in "Good Golly Miss Molly." Shame.

[LW1997 (On Moderation)]

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Jimi Hendrix, John Lee Hooker, Chuck Berry... those subhuman negro still pesters musical history until this day. Good Hitler did something against the American negro swing music during the Third Reich as well as those Jewish posers like Mendelssohn trying to steal the glory of our German greats like Mozart, Beethoven or Wagner (with whom I would be careful with tho, since he was a Vegetarian, which is bad).

Eric Clapton did the right thing. No, not musically, but he spoke up in 1976 in Birmingham. He pushed an underrated white warrior, Enoch Powell, but sadly because Cultural Marxism had already taken over, there was no chance for him.

[Isabella White]

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Not sure if you know much about the fundamentals of music theory but there are many inaccuracies in your post.

It seems you have a thing against black culture.

So you are a racist.

You are living in a fantasy world.

Hello Miss Best: to , at . It appears that you are new here. Rather that frittering your time away, condemning the servants of the with your angry statements, why don't you make your way over to our Introduction Forum, where you can post a proper message -- to introduce yourself to the dignified, Godly believers here at .

The link to our Introduction Forum is below, and you can post your message by clicking on the blue "New Thread" button on the upper left of your screen.

https://www.landoverbaptist.net/forumdisplay.php?f=16

Please remember to provide the information that we've requested at the top of the Introduction Forum page, which is:

Attention Unsaved Trash: This the ONLY subforum you can start threads in. Here is where you introduce yourself. Tell us what church you go to and what your favorite Bible verse is and how you came to find Jesus.

We look forward to reading your introduction, once you've simmered down. I'd like to leave you with this blessed verse of Holy Scripture for you to consider, to appreciate, and to apply to your life --

Psalm 37:8: "Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil."

Sincerely, Isabella W.

[MitzaLizalor]

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Not sure if you know much about the fundamentals of music theory but there are many inaccuracies in your post.

A thorough knowledge of music theory can be assumed in any post requiring such knowledge on a Christian forum.

Do you realize that the time interval of a minute is man made? We have hours in the Bible, nothing less, right? We could choose to have 50 minutes in an hour or 1000. We can choose anything we want. Same with the seconds. This is why coming to these conclusions is ludicrous.

some idiotic remarks concerning devils’ numbers excluded from this quote

Ignorance personified. A frequency is a matter of fact. There are not special "magic" frequencies to engender miraculous conduits where otherwise we'd be grovelling in darkness. The cycling of pressures in the air as it impacts the eardrum (very simply) accounts for our description of what musicians do. Wow! It's the same as cycling of tensions in the string producing its sound in the first place! But that's not magic.

The length of your second is immaterial. A string (or a column of air in a pipe) will oscillate at the same rate regardless of seconds or hours or centuries—or Potrzebies for that matter—and could be defined in those terms. Now clearly a Potrzebie unit would relate to wavelength but elsewise the frequencies you're obsessing over could be expressed using any time unit you preferred. Oscillations per century is a bit ham-fisted when tempering a scale (for example to quantify the differences between strings and pipes) but absolutely possible. Similarly regarding seconds. If a second were twice as long then there'd be double the oscillations per second it really is back to a-b-c- isn't it.

Have you ever looked at a metronome? It doesn't go anywhere near 666.

That's because the length of the second, a point you've already raised in your post, would not admit 666 as a frequency of tempo. As a pitch class, however, it could be quite easily a fundamental frequency. Such scales have been produced. The reason why they're irrelevant is because the unit of time is arbitrary. You could just as easily adjust a C-256 to be a C-666 by altering the length of your second, but you don't seem to understand this.

I took music for many years and never did we ever use the metronome past about 140 as I can recall.

Trance techno as vomited forth in Goa or similar Portuguese strongholds and anywhere hippies have a stranglehold over musical taste do run stuff quite a bit faster than that. Usually a good three hours before sunrise. So they say. But as an aficionado you wouldn't need to be told that.

To think that something is going to be 4 times faster is ridiculous to the extreme. Post on subject you have actual knowledge on!

This really is the crown upon droppings from canines. Not so long ago you were saying that units of time were arbitrary. Just by quadrupling the length of your minute a BPM 4 times faster could be achieved and all the (imaginary) benefits of specific frequencies developed into a new harmonic spectrum.

The obvious problem here, by your own standard, is that resonant frequencies generated in the human body—such as the knees, the sinus cavity, the aorta or the pelvic floor—would remain the same and any impetus for healing (or demon possession) would be unaltered.

Now there is music today where drums are played. The scaled kettle drums of Carl Orff are verboten where Christians assemble, even if kettle drums are admitted, for a reason. Aphrodite triumphs in no Church. Maniacs belt out the metal (overtly glorifying evil, by their own account such as the raison d’âitre for metal abomination "Children of Bodom") yet somehow strangely you seem not to know these facts.

cymbals

Cymbals are not drums.

The tones in western music were devised by man.

Here is a fundamental problem. Tones are not "devised" by anyone. Sure, about 3 millennia ago, someone described them. But they'd been the same ever since sound was possible. Music comes first. NEXT, someone describes what it is that musicians are doing. PYTHAGORAS launched the "theory" here but exactly what microtonal variations were employed so long ago we can only imagine. Very few ancient instruments survive to supply their melodic scales. Sure, we can guess, but.........

That's why eastern music sounds very different.

Big gap here. We know what eastern music sounds like. However the "frequencies" fed by your compulsion have no standing of their own accord. They do not relate any absolute standard other than the resonant frequencies of the human body. Therefore a specific pitch class could be defined as so many multiples of the resonant frequency of a bodily cavity. The skull, used in post-hypnotic trance-techno; the sinuses, used in buddhist polyphonic overtone singing; the knees and ankles (each having their own specific resonant frequencies) used in vibroacoustic therapies for arthritis and similar, in this case transmitted by contact; the pelvic floor, stimulated by relatively low frequencies referring to no absolute standard beyond what causes the resonance itself: would you like it in Potrzebies?

God didn't set the tones, did He? There are no tone setting instructions in the Bible, are there?

Joshua 6:20-21 So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city. And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.

Here the fundamental frequency was established from the geometry of rams’ horns and the specific cycle of blastings ordered by God. Did it work? Yes: the walls fell down. Why?

I Samuel 16:20-23 Jesse took an ass laden with bread, and a bottle of wine, and a kid, and sent them by David his son unto Saul. And David came to Saul, and stood before him: and he loved him greatly; and he became his armourbearer. And Saul sent to Jesse, saying, Let David, I pray thee, stand before me; for he hath found favour in my sight. And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.

Here is a different pitch relationship. David was playing strings where octave stretching becomes a factor in describing what musicians do. The effect remains consistent. It's the relationship between sound (or vibration) and the nervous system. Again these are simple observations. Wow! The proportional relationships between "musical" frequencies and those of dendrites in the auditory cortex are the same! Who would have thought? Those are the relationships endorsed by God. Do you imagine that septimal scales would have calmed Saul?

Perhaps in your introduction you could address the characteristics of oriental scales, the chromatic variations they use, how and/or why they affect neurons in the temporal lobes of the brain and to what extent other associated phenomena would be affected, according to your theory?

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

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Not sure if you know much about the fundamentals of music theory but there are many inaccuracies in your post. I have no doubt there are evil/Satanic lyrics. Let me address the other stuff and preface it by the fact (I think!) nowhere in the Bible does it ever warn about evil rhythm patterns, notes or chords. If there is something there please post where.

. . . .

I simply don't have the time here to correct all your ignorant blattering about music theory - you're definitely a product of today's education system that will only be corrected once the Republicans return some sanity to our country.

I will take a moment here to address several of your more egrigous and stunning errors concerning God and the Bible (KJV1611) when it comes to music.

The Bible (KJV1611) doesn’t need to speak about music extensively because it comes from natural laws that exist in the universe that God created. Notes and intervals come from the natural laws of vibrating strings, standing waves in tubes of various shapes, and other natural phenomenon that govern the formation of intervals, partials, overtones, phase, and harmonics in the physical world. Even the cymbal sound (percussion) that you talk about is the result of many inharmonic partials that are produced by the instrument.

The "keys" you talk about are simply a way of deriving them by the circle of fifths (or fourths) - nothing more. The use of the key of C is simply a comment on the modern (man made) insistence on using the equal tempered scale - being that there is no longer any difference between the keys as there once was. Even Bach's well tempered clavier left some ambiguity as he didn't bother to tell us how it was tempered.

And yes, there is Satan in music (diabolus in musica), first occurring in the Locrian mode and is known as the tritone or augmented forth (or diminished fifth). The cathylicks once banned its use, but in any event you don't want to listen to it for very long.

Then there is the sin in tempo, mainly coming from rock muscians as the speed at which heathens fornicate (they call it "rocking" in their argot). Many of them freely admit it, so there is no reason that tide-pod eating individuals from your generation should deny it other than stupidity.

[Didymus Much]

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...Do you not remember all the times people from different groups intermarried in the Bible and it was OK?...

Prove it.

[Heavenisbest]

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Not sure if you know much about the fundamentals of music theory but there are many inaccuracies in your post. I have no doubt there are evil/Satanic lyrics. Let me address the other stuff and preface it by the fact (I think!) nowhere in the Bible does it ever warn about evil rhythm patterns, notes or chords. If there is something there please post where.


"Certain rhythms can lead to toe-tapping, dancing, fornication, drug use, murder, and self-mutilation."
Prove it.


"Tempos are measured in beats per minute (BPM) and any song that clocks in at a speed of over 90 BPM should be turned off. 85 to 90 beats per minute is considered the upper limits of the margin of musical safety, and should never be exceeded."
Says who? Not the Bible! And why 90? What's the significance? Why would a faster beat make any inference as to Satanic influences? You make these wild claims and offer absolutely zero evidence to back anything up. I don't even know why I'm bothering to reply to this. I suppose because I don't want other people dissuaded by inaccuracy.
Do you realize that the time interval of a minute is man made? We have hours in the Bible, nothing less, right? We could choose to have 50 minutes in an hour or 1000. We can choose anything we want. Same with the seconds. This is why coming to these conclusions is ludicrous. Did Satan set the number of minutes to the hour? It is 60 after all. 6x10....the devil's number times 10.


"If you find yourself listening to a song with a tempo of 666 BPM"
When I read this I knew your understanding of music is rock bottom. Have you ever looked at a metronome? It doesn't go anywhere near 666. I took music for many years and never did we ever use the metronome past about 140 as I can recall. To think that something is going to be 4 times faster is ridiculous to the extreme. Post on subject you have actual knowledge on!


"The actual rhythm of the song can be much harder to identify for Christians, since they are not used to listening to music with drums."
What? Are you on planet Earth? Almost ALL Christian music today has drums. The music that doesn't have drums in it usually is classical unless you're listening to a symphony which has large drums called Tympani.


"Drums are the most dangerous of all musical instruments, even more than the electric guitar! Drums have their roots in the dark continent of Africa where the voodoo hoodoo is just rampant. It is currently unknown to Christian scientists if it is ever safe to listen to drums or not."
Somebody else posted an exerpt from Psalms talking about cymbals which are percussion. Or are you now going to talk about pitch of percussion and if its too low its Satanic?


Then you talk about rhythm patterns. What makes them Satanic? You give no reasons.


"There is no such thing as 3/3 time because Satanic music theorists want to prevent full glorification of the Holy Trinity."
I can assure you there are MANY classical pieces of music in 3/3 time. It may not be as common as 3/4 time but its there. See the wide variety of rhythm structures here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...er_number_of_3


"Melody (the tune of the song) consists of a series of notes played on an instrument. It is usually accompanied by chords, which determine the "tone" of the music, which is either happy (major chords) or sad (minor chords.)"
Wrong again. Minor chords usually signify stress, danger, caution.....and sometimes sadness. You'll notice most music is in minor keys. Its because its trying to replicate the challenges we feel in life. We don't skip cheerfully to work every day. God wants our minds dwelling on important things that take our full mind to grasp. (Like all the mistakes in your post.)


"Christians should avoid any music that is played in any key except for C Major, which is the only key in which music can be played on the piano without using any of the black keys."


Why? C+ was devised by man. The tones in western music were devised by man. That's why eastern music sounds very different. God didn't set the tones, did He? There are no tone setting instructions in the Bible, are there? If man made it it doesn't carry much weight. Hopefully you've learned that by now. Manmade stuff can never be any authority because it always has errors. The black keys are on a piano. There are other instruments with no black keys. Is it OK to play those tones on different instruments?


It seems you have a thing against black culture.


"Playing the white and black keys together on the piano is glorification of race mixing and desegregation. GOD HATES ACCIDENTALS!"


So you are a racist. Do you not remember all the times people from different groups intermarried in the Bible and it was OK? What was important was their belief in their Creator. Laws we are meant to live by are clearly itemized and often repeated in the Bible. Theft, adultary, fornication, murder, homosexuality, bestiality, idolization and many more are clearly stated over and over. God is a very clear communicator.


You are living in a fantasy world. Open your Bible, get a concordance and good Bible study manuals, and plunge in to reality. I'm sure your motives are good but your common sense is just way off. Its not good to misrepresent your Father.

[Diesel Stanford]

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Really? When?

Pat Robertson on the Pope

[Mary Etheldreda]

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And about Pat Robertson: he is to be ignored, since he he endorses Catholism.

Really? When?

[Basilissa]

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Anyways, nothing can be as evil as homosexuality, abortion and divorce.

Careful, dear - abortion is good as long as the mother dies with the child:

Hosea 13:16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

Divorce is accepted under special circumstances:

1 Corinthians 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such [cases]: but God hath called us to peace.

But you are absolutely correct that God abhors homosexuals more than serial killers!

[Diesel Stanford]

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Why should the devil have all the good music?

And when it comes to secular music (by the way, classical music, is secular too haha), we in Australia and New Zealand have the smallest amount of demonic music It's the lyrics that destroy. You should not listen to anything that has blasphemous or obscene lyrics. OK, and neither 95 % of the trash that's on the Billboard Hot 100.

And about Pat Robertson: he is to be ignored, since he he endorses Catholism.

By the way, this verse without a doubt describes the whole situation:
All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. (1 Corinthians 6:12)
Anyways, nothing can be as evil as homosexuality, abortion and divorce.

[LW1997 (On Moderation)]

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Perfect by Ed Sheeran is the most demonic song ever.
The best song ever? Well, the hymn "Jesus Paid It All"! MARANATHA!

And well, even though nothing replaces the Old Hymns, Psalm 150 tells that ANY type of music can be used to write a worship song:
"Praise ye the Lord. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power. Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness. Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp. Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs. Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals. Let every thing that hath breath praise the Lord. Praise ye the Lord."

Anyways, brethren, this is interesting:

As I can tell you, Alice Cooper, Dave Mustaine (Megadeth) and Brian Welch (KoRn) are Christians.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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But I am willing to discuss this, because as a believer in Jesus Christ, I believe it is important to stand firm together in truth without division.

Tell me what sect or cult do you belong to, and why do you think that "all those other sects and cults are wrong," such that you rejected their dogma and do not attend their so-called 'churches'?

I ask as Landover has the final and only way to Praise God and understand the Bible - We in fact offer you that ability to "stand firm together in truth without division".