A question brothers?

[Homertard]

Just a question, that I am puzzled by, but does the Church (Southern Baptists) have something against, gays, black people and jews?

Edit: i'm not accusing anyone of anything, and am merely concerned by this really.

[Sister Noddy]

Re: A question brothers?

Just a question, that I am puzzled by, but does the Church (Southern Baptists) have something against, gays, black people and jews?

Edit: i'm not accusing anyone of anything, and am merely concerned by this really.

Omerta, just a note -- the (Southern) Baptist denomination is an American church, and much more recent than the original three protestant churches of Europe at the time of the Reformation; Lutheran, Scottish Presbyterian, Anglican.

The Baptist Church of the USA has essentially dropped the tradition: the Liturgy of the Word (ritual of the Holy Eucharist) which has been central to worship since Medieval times; and has replaced the ritual with sermons and preaching.

It has also dropped the original music: liturgical chant; Medieval chant, once performed by monks in monasteries; and has replaced this hauntingly beautiful sacred music with modern hymns.

It is to the point now where the religion of many modern American churches (Baptist, Pentecostal, Congregational, Presbyterian, etc) is no longer recognizable to the original.

Many modern evangelical (preaching) fundamentalist (literal interpretation of the Bible) churches are conservative on the issues of racism and gays.

That's all I know -- and I'm not accusing anyone of anything either.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: A question brothers?

Just a question, that I am puzzled by, but does the Church (Southern Baptists) have something against, gays, black people and jews?

Edit: i'm not accusing anyone of anything, and am merely concerned by this really.

This answers one of my questions about you, Homerta. I've long wondered why you don't make any sense, but now I've figured out why. You obviously haven't read any of the literally dozens if not hundreds of posts explaining all this, and we already know you've never bothered reading the KJV1611 Bible.
Instead of coming with an open heart to read and learn, you instead randomly strike at letters on your keyboard and pray to Satan that what you just wrote makes any sort of sense.

[Sista Lateefah]

Re: A question brothers?

Just a question, that I am puzzled by, but does the Church (Southern Baptists) have something against, gays, black people and jews?

Don't call our church "Southern Baptist". Southern Baptists be denyin' the Truth of Scripture by sayin' that drinkin' alcohol be sin. Since the Lord Himself had drank (Matthew 11:18-19), they is callin' Him a sinner, and that be blasphemy. And as Sista M&Ms have already pointed out, they is stuff all ovah this site explainin' the stuff you is axin' about.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: A question brothers?

Just a question, that I am puzzled by, but does the Church (Southern Baptists) have something against, gays, black people and jews?

Edit: i'm not accusing anyone of anything, and am merely concerned by this really.

Homertard, we're very concerned by your ignorance of the Bible. If you don't have one of your own, you should save the dimes that you get for turning in aluminum cans until you have the money to buy one. In the meantime, there are many Web sites where you can read it and even do word searches.

The Baptist Church of the USA has essentially dropped the tradition: the Liturgy of the Word (ritual of the Holy Eucharist) which has been central to worship since Medieval times; and has replaced the ritual with sermons and preaching.

If you mean that we're not "making the word of God of none effect through your tradition" (Mark 7:13), then you're right. And your point is ... ? Also, if your liturgies and rituals are such an important part of the original church, shouldn't they have been central to worship since before medieval times and even back to ... oh, I don't know ... the year 33?

[Brother Temperance]

Re: A question brothers?

Just a question, that I am puzzled by, but does the Church (Southern Baptists) have something against, gays, black people and jews?

Edit: i'm not accusing anyone of anything, and am merely concerned by this really.

We are not Southern Baptists, so perhaps you'd be better off asking them. If you meant to ask if the Godly True Christians™ of Landover Baptist have something against gays and Jews, then yes we very much do, since GOD clearly condemns them in the Holy Bible. We're fine with negroes as long as they know their place, though. What do you think of queers?

[Sister Noddy]

Re: A question brothers?

Also, if your liturgies and rituals are such an important part of the original church, shouldn't they have been central to worship since before medieval times and even back to ... oh, I don't know ... the year 33?

Some history for the dogma (traditional foundation) of the rite of the Holy Eucharist:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_roots_of_Catholic_Eucharistic_theology

Christian documents show that this dogma was maintained with the passage of time. From Origen, c 244: "[W]hen you have received the Body of the Lord, you reverently exercise every care lest a particle of it fall
..." (Jurgens §490).

From St. Ephraim, ante 373: "Do not now regard as bread that which I have given you; but take, eat this Bread, and do not scatter the crumbs; for what I have called My Body, that it is indeed" (Jurgens §707).

From St. Augustine, c 412: "He walked here in the same flesh, and gave us the same flesh to be eaten unto salvation. But no one eats that flesh unless first he adores it; and thus it is discovered how such a footstool of the Lord's feet is adored; and not only do we not sin by adoring, we do sin by not adoring" (Jurgens §1479a).

At the Roman Council VI, 1079, Berengarius affirmed: "I, Berengarius, in my heart believe and with my lips confess that through the mystery of the sacred prayer and the words of our Redeemer the bread and wine which are placed on the altar are substantially changed into the true and proper and living flesh and blood of Jesus Christ, our Lord ..." (Denziger [Dz] §355).

In a discussion of the form of consecration (the word now used to refer to the blessing given by Jesus), Pope Innocent III states (1202) "For the species of bread and wine is perceived there, and the truth of the body and blood of Christ is believed and the power of unity and of love .... The form is of the bread and wine; the truth, of the flesh and blood ..." (Dz §414-4).

The dogma was affirmed repeatedly by the Roman Catholic Church and within Roman Catholic theology, e.g. at the Council of Lyon, A.D. 1274 (Dz §465); by Pope Benedict XII, 1341 (Dz §544); by Pope Clement VI, 1351 (Dz §574a); at the Council of Constance, 1418 (Dz §583); at the Council of Florence, 1439 (Dz §698); by Pope Julius III at the Council of Trent, 1551 (Dz §874); by Pope Benedict XIV, 1743 (Dz §1469); by Pope Pius VI, 1794 (Dz §1529); and by Pope Leo XIII, 1887 (Dz §1919), inter alia. Other examples can be found to flesh out any interim.

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So -- the dogma (tradition) of the rite of the Holy Eucharist was established much earlier than Medieval times.

[Joo (Quarantined)]

Re: A question brothers?

Just a question, that I am puzzled by, but does the Church (Southern Baptists) have something against, gays, black people and jews?

Edit: i'm not accusing anyone of anything, and am merely concerned by this really.

...Where have you been the last several hundred posts? Yes, yes, and yes.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: A question brothers?

Some history for the dogma (traditional foundation) of the rite of the Holy Eucharist:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_roots_of_Catholic_Eucharistic_theology

So -- the dogma (tradition) of the rite of the Holy Eucharist was established much earlier than Medieval times.

Origen? You cite Origen as a source? ROFLWJ!!!!!
He claimed to have castrated himself at the age of eighteen – not to avoid becoming a homer, which would be perfectly reasonable, but so as to avoid the duty of marriage. In the year 553, even the Cathylicking church condemned him for his wild idea that the body is a prison created for souls that fall from grace, but this was three centuries after his death, and by this time many of his other ideas had already wormed their way into mainstream catlick ‘thought.’ For example, in ‘In genesim homiliae 5’ he claimed that it was more honourable for a woman to commit incest with her father in order to conceive than to have sexual intercourse that did not result in children with one’s husband, even though the Bible specifically orders the death penalty for incest. This perverted idea was adopted by other catlicks, as it supported their fear of women and love of children.
You seriously want to cite a deranged, nut-chopping heretic who claimed the body was a prison created for disgraced souls in support of your dogma?

[Homertard]

Re: A question brothers?

Homerta? I'm not gay. I'm 100% straight.

And I can't be bothered to maklesense to Southern Bapsit morons.

Right Joo. Since it's you, then it's correct.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: A question brothers?

Homerta? I'm not gay. I'm 100% straight.

And I can't be bothered to maklesense to Southern Bapsit morons.

Right Joo. Since it's you, then it's correct.

Stop dodging the question! Do you hate queers as God commands or don't you?

[Homertard]

Re: A question brothers?

I'm not sure, if I can, but I don't want to insult Jesus.

[Sista Lateefah]

Re: A question brothers?

I'm not sure, if I can, but I don't want to insult Jesus.

Then stop breathin'.

[Homertard]

Re: A question brothers?

Not gunna happen.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: A question brothers?

Bare with this long post, my brothers in Christ.

Some history for the dogma (traditional foundation) of the rite of the Holy Eucharist:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_roots_of_Catholic_Eucharistic_theology

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So -- the dogma (tradition) of the rite of the Holy Eucharist was established much earlier than Medieval times.

And that's complete hogwash. The "eucharist" is a SYMBOLIC act! (Luke 22:19 & 1 Corinthians 11:23-26)
There is no such thing as "transsubstantiation"!
Such belief is preposterous and blasphemous as man cannot create God, which is the idea that it relies upon!

But also, the idea that the eating of Jesus flesh is literal.. it's completely contrary to Scripture:

For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life:
He that cometh to me shall never hunger; And he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
John 6:33-35

He "that COME to me". NOT "he that literally eat of me".

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. (You do NOT need to eat a cookie to gain access to Heaven!)
I am that bread of life. Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever:
And the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
John 6:47-51

Note this last passage, "the bread I will give is my flesh":
But what is the true flesh of Jesus? The WORD of God!

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
John 1:14-16

Also notice Jesus constant referrals to the fathers eating manna in the desert...

This is that bread which came down from heaven:
Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead:
He that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
John 6:58

Just what could He be getting at? That you should change bread for flesh?
No, just as when tempted by satan in the desert, Jesus is reffering to THIS verse!

And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know;
That he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only,
But by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
Deuteronomy 8:3

And now again, just what was Jesus?
..THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH.. (John 1:14)
So what Jesus is telling us is that a true believer lives by the Word of God! THE BIBLE!

And this which is also written in John 6 should explain this even further:
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the WORDS that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go?
Thou hast the WORDS of eternal life. (And NOT "literal-flesh-that-we-must-consume"!)
John 6:63-68

This that we are to live by the Word of God is a very important aspect of Jesus teachings.. Not that I would expect FALSE "Christians" to know that..
It's crucial infact, as whoever who disobeys it, will NOT enter Heaven. (Matthew 7:21-27)
And He kept saying that it's crucial REPEATEDLY, sometimes plainly, and sometimes not, as in John 6.

But he answered and said,
It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Matthew 4:4

And Jesus answered him, saying,
It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
Luke 4:4

But he said,
Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
Luke 11:28

Get it now, you female antichrist?
If you believe in this transsubby crap, then put up (your scriptural evidence) or shut up.

Not gunna happen.

Fool!
EVERYONE dies eventually. And when you do, you're in for an eternity of hellfire.
Praise God!

Man is like to vanity: his days are as a shadow that passeth away.
Psalm 144:4