[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

3:6 No one who abides … sins. Like the phrase "practices sin" of verse 4, the sense conveyed here is the idea of habitual, constant sinning. No one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. If no check against habitual sin exists in someone who professes to be a Christian, John’s pronouncement is absolutely clear—salvation never took place.

Stop trying to interpret the Bible and simply obey it.

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Sovereign Election

Because I love Sovereign Election, my favorite verse is Rom 9:13


Before the earth was created God loved some babies and hated other babies.


Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
Rom 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.


Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.


Rom_5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

[Marko Loimaan-Aho]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

He could also snap His fingers and heal all children suffering in children's hospitals but has not.

Our Lord has good reasons for everything he does. Sometimes a child dies, because Lord wants child's parents to find a way to Eternal Life in Heaven. Even things that look stupid for us are part of Lord's Great Plan. For example - you. You are clear sign for me to try harder to get out of ordinary life. Sign for me to work harder, so that one day I could be a True Christian.

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

I have shown you where that is not what God says. It is what you say. What you say is the opposite of what God says. And God even explains why (check out the perfect tense concerning our regeneration and the present indicative as regards the propensity to sin: it does not exist, we do not sin)

ἸΩΑΝΝΟΥ Α
Οἰδαμεν ὁτι πας ὁ γεγεννημενος ἐκ του Θεου οὐχ ἁμαρτανει ἀλλ’ ὁ γεννηθεις ἐκ του Θεου τηρει αὐτον, και ὁ πονηρος οὐχ ἁπτεται αὐτου.

You are directly contradicting god. Therefore I will refer you to verse 10 from the same chapter [5]:

Ὁ πιστευων εἰς τον υἱον του θεου ἐχει την μαρτυριαν ἐν αὐτῳ, ὁ μη πιστευων τῳ θεῳ ψευστην πεποιηκεν αὐτον, ὁτι οὐ πεπιστευκεν εἰς την μαρτυριαν ἡν μεμαρτυρηκεν ὁ θεος περι του υἱου αὐτου.

You are calling God a liar and wilfully; numerous passages have been posted for you and you have ignored them all. Please explain exactly how you arrive at your position (checking I John 5:18 [above] might help).

3:6 No one who abides … sins. Like the phrase "practices sin" of verse 4, the sense conveyed here is the idea of habitual, constant sinning. No one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. If no check against habitual sin exists in someone who professes to be a Christian, John’s pronouncement is absolutely clear—salvation never took place.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

How many murders does a murderer half to commit to be a murderer?


How many lies does a person need to tell before he is labled a liar?


We ALL have told many lies.


Translation: We are ALL liars.

Speak for yourself, son. I'm no more a liar than Christ Himself, whose very Spirit animates my body, my tongue (1 Corinthians 6:19). I have become a new creature (2 Corinthians 5:17), not one governed by the flesh, but one born of the Spirit (John 3:6). You really have this thing about being a disgusting, revolting creature. Are you the subservient in the bedroom, too? Does Mrs. William discipline you when you are a naughty, naughty boy?

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

No Billy, a True Christian ™ cannot lie. God controls a True Christians™ every move, comment and action. To claim a True Christian™ is a liar is akin to saying God does not exist. Utter insanity.

Psalm 119:1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
Psalm 119:2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
Psalm 119:3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.

1st John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Romans 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

How many murders does a murderer half to commit to be a murderer?


How many lies does a person need to tell before he is labled a liar?


We ALL have told many lies.


Translation: We are ALL liars.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

You invited us to study God's Inerrant Word. Any response to what it actually says, without cherry picking?

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

I think of a Him as a God who must be feared and obeyed.
Proverbs 19:23 The fear of the LORD [tendeth] to life: and [he that hath it] shall abide satisfied; he shall not be visited with evil.
Proverbs 14:27 The fear of the LORD [is] a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death.
Deuteronomy 27:10 Thou shalt therefore obey the voice of the LORD thy God, and do his commandments and his statutes, which I command thee this day.

Good, that makes two of us.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

I agree it's all because of sin, I also believe in Sovereign election, He hates some babies and loves other babies.

Well DUH, you can't expect Him to populate Hell with only adults.

LOL the spinless liberal evangellyfish religious types really hate those verses

Who cares? They'll be burning right alongside the unsaved babies.



Yours in Christ,

Zech

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

All Christians sin

I have shown you where that is not what God says. It is what you say. What you say is the opposite of what God says. And God even explains why (check out the perfect tense concerning our regeneration and the present indicative as regards the propensity to sin: it does not exist, we do not sin)

ἸΩΑΝΝΟΥ Α
Οἰδαμεν ὁτι πας ὁ γεγεννημενος ἐκ του Θεου οὐχ ἁμαρτανει ἀλλ’ ὁ γεννηθεις ἐκ του Θεου τηρει αὐτον, και ὁ πονηρος οὐχ ἁπτεται αὐτου.

You are directly contradicting god. Therefore I will refer you to verse 10 from the same chapter [5]:

Ὁ πιστευων εἰς τον υἱον του θεου ἐχει την μαρτυριαν ἐν αὐτῳ, ὁ μη πιστευων τῳ θεῳ ψευστην πεποιηκεν αὐτον, ὁτι οὐ πεπιστευκεν εἰς την μαρτυριαν ἡν μεμαρτυρηκεν ὁ θεος περι του υἱου αὐτου.

You are calling God a liar and wilfully; numerous passages have been posted for you and you have ignored them all. Please explain exactly how you arrive at your position (checking I John 5:18 [above] might help).

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

Good grief, why would He do that? Obviously the little scumbags did SOMETHING to incur His wrath (or maybe their parents, or even farther back).

People, even kids, deserve everything that God gives 'em.

Right, but don't forget if it's by Grace (unmerited favor) then we are all scumbags.

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

Are they really suffering or are they learning valuable lessons? We can hypothesize all day long but when God sets the Sun, we, as mere people, may not know His Divine Reasons©.
Do you really think you should be a know it all? When given a gift, do you insist on know what the suprise is before you receive it?
No friend, we need to rejoice in the halls of the misery of others for but the by the grace of God, go you.
Realize God heaps horrific lives on people for good and just reasons. I make it more simplistic for you. God punishes people because they are bad.

I agree it's all because of sin, I also believe in Sovereign election, He hates some babies and loves other babies.


Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
Rom 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.


Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.


LOL the spinless liberal evangellyfish religious types really hate those verses

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

He could also snap His fingers and heal all children suffering in children's hospitals but has not.

Good grief, why would He do that? Obviously the little scumbags did SOMETHING to incur His wrath (or maybe their parents, or even farther back).

People, even kids, deserve everything that God gives 'em.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

He could also snap His fingers and heal all children suffering in children's hospitals but has not.

Are they really suffering or are they learning valuable lessons? We can hypothesize all day long but when God sets the Sun, we, as mere people, may not know His Divine Reasons©.
Do you really think you should be a know it all? When given a gift, do you insist on know what the suprise is before you receive it?
No friend, we need to rejoice in the halls of the misery of others for but the by the grace of God, go you.
Realize God heaps horrific lives on people for good and just reasons. I make it more simplistic for you. God punishes people because they are bad.

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

If there were errors in the KJV, don't you believe God could snap His Fingers and correct them? Are you implying that is beyond the power of the Creator?

He could also snap His fingers and heal all children suffering in children's hospitals but has not.