[Something-on-my-Paws]

Re: Was Jesuschrist the very first socialist?

No. Jesus was most certainly NOT a socialist. I know this because I am a socialist. Did socialism even exist back then? I doubt it.

[Basilissa]

Re: Was Jesuschrist the very first socialist?

No. Jesus was most certainly NOT a socialist. I know this because I am a socialist. Did socialism even exist back then? I doubt it.

Well, according to the prophet of your religion, primitive communism was one of the very early stages of human civilizations.

Do you ever read anything?! Or do you just proclaim yourself to be a Buddhist or a socialist without researching first what these terms actually mean?

[Something-on-my-Paws]

Re: Was Jesuschrist the very first socialist?

Well, according to the prophet of your religion, primitive communism was one of the very early stages of human civilizations.

Do you ever read anything?! Or do you just proclaim yourself to be a Buddhist or a socialist without researching first what these terms actually mean?

I am a socialist, not a Marxist. I was taught not to be a Marxist in school in Thailand, because Marxism has ruined Vietnam.

[Alvin Moss]

Re: Was Jesuschrist the very first socialist?

I am a socialist, not a Marxist. I was taught not to be a Marxist in school in Thailand, because Marxism has ruined Vietnam.

Are you saying that Marx was not the high priest of socialism? Now that communism is in such high odor, communists call themselves socialists. That didn't work for the Russians, though. They fell apart a few years ago in spite of the clever name change.

[Red Army]

Re: Was Jesuschrist the very first socialist?

How silly of me, thinking that the state owned utilities, the government mandated worker's councils dictating policy at factories and plants, food and water rationing, China pumping billions of dollars into the country, and the current president being a member of the United Socialist Party was somehow an indication that the country was socialist.

All of that and belonging to a USP is because calling themselves "a bunch of thieves trying to steal everything they can before they get caught" is not a very fashionable name. And the acronym is too long, ABOTTTSETCBTGC.


Populism is like that, they always disguise their true intentions behind other ideologies. And that's what I like the most about Donald Trump: he has no other ideology, he is not disguising what he is doing, and he is VERY populist in his policies. At least he does not call himself a socialist, or belonging to some high philosophy. He just does what he does, and that's it.


Of course, he needed not to disguise anything as people wanted someone telling the things he was telling. Not the same case in Venezuela: people needed to hear about a big story of their country becoming something new, something greater. And they found Chavez and Maduro. It is like Pinky and the Brain, with Maduro being Pinky of course.


Maduro: Gee, Chavez, what do you want to do tonight?
Chavez: The same thing we do every night, Maduro- try to take over the world!



After Chavez died, the country was left to Pinky. No wonder things are going really bad for them.

[Red Army]

Re: Was Jesuschrist the very first socialist?

I am a socialist, not a Marxist. I was taught not to be a Marxist in school in Thailand, because Marxism has ruined Vietnam.

BULLSHIT. There is no socialism without Marxism. It is like a decaf. IT IS NOT COFFEE.


"Socialism" is just a bunch of ideas put together without any thought put on that. No framework.


Socialist are ecologists, feminists, or whatever is the new hype of "cool" thinking. Socialists like to sit in cool bars and talk about changing the world. Socialists like Volvos and Prius, and they go to Harvard. Most likely, they live on their parent's money.


Please, I want to know everything about the paradise Vietnam was before communism. Please indicate figures that state that rural populations were thriving and they embarked themselves in a war against the most powerful country in the world just because they were bored, and had nothing else to do.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Was Jesuschrist the very first socialist?

It is terrible to see how the still lingering anarchistic communists try to dismiss the explicit message of Jesus. He was once given the choice to practice socialism. We all know that story, and it is a beautiful one.

Matthew 26:7-14
There came unto him a woman having an alabaster box of very precious ointment, and poured it on his head, as he sat at meat. But when his disciples saw it, they had indignation, saying, To what purpose is this waste? For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor. When Jesus understood it, he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me. For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always. For in that she hath poured this ointment on my body, she did it for my burial. Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her. Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went unto the chief priests,

Many things to learn from here.



1. Jesus preferred the luxurious feeling of the precious ointment over feeding the poor.
2. Good works for Jesus are more important than good works to feed the poor.
3. Jesus was adamant that this story be told for ever and ever as a warning against communism.



4. We can presume that Mr. Iscariot was among those who tried to promote socialism to Jesus and, as a result, he became the first communist. He did look like Lenin, as we can see here:






Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Darren Ingram-Myers]

Re: Was Jesuschrist the very first socialist?

Yes, the Christ was a socialist. To prove it, first we need to understand the correct way to interpret the Bible. A good guide to doing so is found here. As you will see, it is completely different from what many people who call themselves Christians do, which is first deciding what to believe and then cherry-picking and reinterpreting Bible verses to fit.

Here is a salient part:

11. We employ a hermeneutic of compassion, love, and justice. (Which Jesus utilized). A hermeneutic is “an interpretive lens” and intentional filter. The hermeneutic of love seeks to see the forest for the trees and that allows the spirit of the law to trump the letter of the law (which Jesus modeled).

That is, we must interpret and filter any specific teaching in Scripture in light of the overall message of compassion, love, and justice. When we do so, we see that the passage from Matthew 26 quoted above actually is not about denying the poor, but instead gives an anti-capitalist message about valuing spiritual things over the monetary value of luxury items. When we apply this interpretive lens more generally, we see that the references in Scripture to giving to the poor instruct us to set up a socialist society (which is, after all, the most compassionate, loving, and just) and that the references to miracle healing instruct us to institute single-payer health care.

[Catholicbooger]

Re: Was Jesuschrist the very first socialist?

It is terrible to see how the still lingering anarchistic communists try to dismiss the explicit message of Jesus. He was once given the choice to practice socialism. We all know that story, and it is a beautiful one.

Matthew 26:7-14
There came unto him a woman having an alabaster box of very precious ointment, and poured it on his head, as he sat at meat. But when his disciples saw it, they had indignation, saying, To what purpose is this waste? For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor. When Jesus understood it, he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me. For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always. For in that she hath poured this ointment on my body, she did it for my burial. Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her. Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went unto the chief priests,

Many things to learn from here.



1. Jesus preferred the luxurious feeling of the precious ointment over feeding the poor.
2. Good works for Jesus are more important than good works to feed the poor.
3. Jesus was adamant that this story be told for ever and ever as a warning against communism.



4. We can presume that Mr. Iscariot was among those who tried to promote socialism to Jesus and, as a result, he became the first communist. He did look like Lenin, as we can see here:






Yours in Christ,

Elmer

Please, that painting its an artist despiction of Judas. There is no register about Judas portrait.


And about the cologne, in no part is explained how she got it. May be it was a gift from some fan or something. What is wrong to give it to a man who is going to die.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Was Jesuschrist the very first socialist?

Yes, the Christ was a socialist. To prove it, first we need to understand the correct way to interpret the Bible. A good guide to doing so is found here. As you will see, it is completely different from what many people who call themselves Christians do, which is first deciding what to believe and then cherry-picking and reinterpreting Bible verses to fit. Here is a salient part:

11. We employ a hermeneutic of compassion, love, and justice. (Which Jesus utilized). A hermeneutic is “an interpretive lens” and intentional filter. The hermeneutic of love seeks to see the forest for the trees and that allows the spirit of the law to trump the letter of the law (which Jesus modeled).

That is, we must interpret and filter any specific teaching in Scripture in light of the overall message of compassion, love, and justice. When we do so, we see that the passage from Matthew 26 quoted above actually is not about denying the poor, but instead gives an anti-capitalist message about valuing spiritual things over the monetary value of luxury items. When we apply this interpretive lens more generally, we see that the references in Scripture to giving to the poor instruct us to set up a socialist society (which is, after all, the most compassionate, loving, and just) and that the references to miracle healing instruct us to institute single-payer health care.

OK, you can see where I stopped reading, right at the yellow bit. I have read The Bible, you have not.

II Peter 1:20

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Was Jesuschrist the very first socialist?

OK, you can see where I stopped reading, right at the yellow bit. I have read The Bible, you have not.

II Peter 1:20

Darren, don't tell us; let us guess. That verse has to be "interpreted correctly," too, right?

[handmaiden]

Re: Was Jesuschrist the very first socialist?

Yes, the Christ was a socialist.

No, He wasn't. He was the Son of God. That is what the Bible says.

To prove it, first we need to understand the correct way to interpret the Bible.

You mean your way, right? Because all I need to do is look at black letters on white pages and note the actual words that are actually there.

A good guide to doing so is found . . .

Not clicking on some link that could lead me God only knows where.

As you will see, it is completely different from what many people who call themselves Christians do, which is first deciding what to believe and then cherry-picking and reinterpreting Bible verses to fit.

That is precisely what you have done. You decided that Jesus was a socialist and went beyond cherry-picking to using tweezers to pluck at little threads to weave into a pretty tapestry of false Christianity.

Here is a salient part: That is, we must interpret and filter any specific teaching in Scripture in light of the overall message of compassion, love, and justice.

Here is the salient part: You have taken a book about obedience, righteousness and justice and turned it into a hippy Coke commercial.

When we do so, we see that the passage from Matthew 26 quoted above actually is not about denying the poor, but instead gives an anti-capitalist message about valuing spiritual things over the monetary value of luxury items.

Of course spiritual things are more important than luxury goods. But the Bible specifies that it is the LOVE of money that is the root of all evil, not money itself. 1 Timothy 6:10 (People miss that particular distinction all the time.) Furthermore, we have Proverbs 10:4-- "He becometh poor that dealeth with a slack hand: but the hand of the diligent maketh rich" and Proverbs 10:15-- "The rich man's wealth is his strong city: the destruction of the poor is their poverty". Also, we have Ecclesiastes 10: 19-20, "A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things. Curse not the king, no not in thy thought; and curse not the rich in thy bedchamber; for a bird in the air shall carry thy voice, and that which hath wings shall tell the matter."

When we apply this interpretive lens more generally, we see that the references in Scripture to giving to the poor instruct us to set up a socialist society (which is, after all, the most compassionate, loving, and just)

Right. And Stalin was just a teddy bear who hugged 20 million of his own people to death.

. . and that the references to miracle healing instruct us to institute single-payer health care.

Oh, my word, you are s-t-r-e-t-c-h-i-n-g those threads which you have plucked to make a huge blanket statement (supposition, really) of how scripture tells us to order the world.

Please give me one good reason why your interpretive lens is the one that I should trust.

As for your tendency to apply scripture "more generally", I could argue that we should not curse (criticize) our king (president) or rich people, not even in our minds. Moreover, our leaders should have the right to listen in on our private bedroom conversations. ( See verses from Ecclesiastes, above.) Remember, if you think that my points lack merit, I am not making anything up. I am just "interpreting more generally."

[Celestial]

Re: Was Jesuschrist the very first socialist?

This thread had 666 views, it made me feel so uneasy so i had to click to become the 667th viewer.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Was Jesuschrist the very first socialist?

This thread had 666 views, it made me feel so uneasy so i had to click to become the 667th viewer.

Thank you for your concern but we are not superstitious here. Numbers are just numbers. Indeed, no demons can attack us successfully because we are protected by Jesus. Hallelujah!

II Thessalonians 3 . KJV . look up
3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.
4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you.
5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.

[Celestial]

Re: Was Jesuschrist the very first socialist?

At least I am a believer

Revelation 21:8 - But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.