[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Coming to this site for the first time, amazed by what I see!

…this thread has been stared by an Atheistically oriented personage who’s only intent is to mock honest True Christians™ and ride roughshod over our most cherished beliefs

I thought I'd have a look at some of the cherished beliefs of Bible contradicting evolutionists.

Abstract
Exposure to ionizing radiation has long been suspected to increase mutation load in humans. Nevertheless, such events as atomic bombing seem not to have yielded significant genetic defects. The Chernobyl accident created a different, long-term exposure to radiation. Clean-up teams (or 'liquidators') of the Chernobyl reactor are among those who received the highest doses, presumably in some combination of acute and chronic forms. In this study, children born to liquidator families (currently either in the Ukraine or Israel) conceived after (CA) parental exposure to radiation were screened for the appearance of new fragments using multi-site DNA fingerprinting. Their sibs conceived before (CB) exposure served as critical internal controls, in addition to external controls (non-exposed families). An unexpectedly high (sevenfold) increase in the number of new bands in CA individuals compared with the level seen in controls was recorded. A strong tendency for the number of new bands to decrease with elapsed time between exposure and offspring conception was established for the Ukrainian families. These results indicate that low doses of radiation can induce multiple changes in human germline DNA.

Royal Society published The National Center for Biotechnology Information

It turns out they get ridden over roughshod too!

Yes, evolution is the process through which species diversify as genetic mutations offer random advantages over millions/billions of years. Care explaining the cracks in the theory?

The idea is that genetic mutations offer random advantages (and disadvantages, a point overlooked by Cossik) over millions or billions of years. Sticking with their own pronouncements, the Royal Society reports a "Very high mutation rate in offspring of Chernobyl accident liquidators." The liquidators are people who cleaned up the mess.

Here we have the genetic mutations. Next we'd be looking for random advantages (and disadvantages) to emerge over millions or billions of years. Guess what? The disadvantages emerged first. The main disadvantage was death. As yet no benefits have been detected despite significant mutation levels—a sevenfold increase—compared to internal and external controls in subsequent generations.

That's a millions- or billions-of-years crack right there.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Coming to this site for the first time, amazed by what I see!

hi just new here too

Welcome to God’s Favourite Forums!

Please be aware that this thread has been stared by an Atheistically oriented personage who’s only intent is to mock honest True Christians(tm) and ride roughshod over our most cherished beliefs

YIC

[selinacantrell]

Re: Coming to this site for the first time, amazed by what I see!

hi just new here too

[Dana723]

Re: Coming to this site for the first time, amazed by what I see!

Oh, the number of times we have been visited by folk who try to invalidate the precious faith that we have all found by reading the Word of God, the Holy Bible. It hasn't worked yet - and do you know why?


The Lord of Hosts is real. His Word is real. Praise God, our salvation® is REAL. Our love for others is REAL. Yes, friend, there is nothing you will find here that isn't rooted in reality - the reality that God formed the earth in seven days; Eve was tempted by the serpent and fed the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil which our LORD had given instructions not to touch.


Sin was brought to earth that day and God had a plan. A plan whereby His ONLY Son should have to come to earth, be implanted in a virgin, be born in Bethlehem (Israel, not PA), turn water into wine, calm an angry sea, suffer immeasurable agony, be betrayed, spit upon, nailed to an old rugged cross, temporarily die, and, thanks to the beautiful holiday of Easter, rise again to conquer darkness and death. He ascended back to Heaven and will someday return to gather His Bride (us). The good news is that YOU TOO can be a part of that Heavenly Throng. And it's so simple - as all things Christian are.


All you have to do is BELIEVE on the LORD JESUS CHRIST and our Bible says YOU WILL BE SAVED. Conditions do apply: You must walk in complete faith, obeying every single Word of the Holy Bible. You must go into the world as we do and preach the gospel to every creature. You must tithe to His Work, and while there are millions of churches, the one that pleases GOD the most is Landover Baptist Church in halcyon Freehold, Iowa. You can be assured to get the most from your tithing dollar when you tithe above the usual 10 percent.


We are not guilty of the things you've set forth in your accusational posting. No. Indeed you will find no more love anywhere than you will find here. We simply follow the teachings of the Holy Scriptures completely - without fail. Again - it's so simple. I assure you that we welcome you here and sincerely hope that we can show you what being a Christian is - not what people who don't know say it is, but what it truly is. That truth, which we hold dear, is exemplified in all we do, and in all we say. Won't you come and taste Jesus? You'll find He is good. (Psalm 34:8)


BrotherLarry

[James Hutchins]

Re: Coming to this site for the first time, amazed by what I see!

It’s obvious that you are beyond reason, but thank you for creating such a wonderful goldmine of hilarity.

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Dear Godmocker,

Thank you for taking the time to crawl out from whichever rock you live under to come to our forum and belittle us and spread lies about us because we dare to stand up for Jesus. If you had ever opened a Bible, you would know that we are blessed because of your persecution (Mt 5:10-11), so I thank you for that.

I would also like to thank the Lord Jesus that I don't live in a police state like Germany where the police can come and shut down any website that the government disagrees with. God bless the USA!


There is no racism here, friend, and making such false accusations is a violation one of the ten commandments. I hope you enjoy your time in Hell, Mary-worshiper.

Neither is anyone here ignorant, nor shortsighted. We have our eyes on eternity, friend. What are your eyes on?

We don't hate anyone, either. We love sinners, and that's why we preach the word to them. People can't get saved if they don't recognize that they need to get saved.

God's Plan of Salvation is to:

1. Recognize and admit that you are a sinner (Rom 3:23,Rom 5:12,1 John 5:10).
2. Repent of sin (Lk 13:5,Acts 17:30).
3. Believe that Jesus died for your sins and was resurrected (John 3:16,Rom 5:8,Rom 10:9).
4. Pray and ask Jesus to become your personal Savior (Rom 10:10,Rom 10:13)
   Friend, it is not too late for you. Please read the Bible verses linked from the Plan of Salvation, and think long and hard about them. Then I want you to do it. Admit that you are a sinner, repent from sin, believe on Jesus, and pray this prayer:

Dear God, I know that I am a worthless sinner, abominable in your sight, and need I forgiveness. I believe that Jesus Christ shed His precious blood and died for my sin. I am willing give up my sin and live without it. I now invite Christ to come into my heart and life as my personal Saviour.

Amen


I will be praying for you also, friend.

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[Brother Gonzalez]

Re: Coming to this site for the first time, amazed by what I see!

There’s no real “unit of complexity”. The fossil record shows single celled organisms giving way to multicellular organisms and so on.
Yet again, using the Bible as proof. Do you really not see how nonsensical that is? Have you gone to London and tried to enter Platform 9 3/4 because Harry Potter said it was real?

At least someone is using a book to prove something, you are just making statements.
I simply cannot believe in transposons or polyploidy. It requires a lot of faith to believe in such nonsense. And of course, those explanations lose against theology if we apply Occam's razor.


The time frame does not add, for sure. How come in that slow process that is evolution, a Homo Erectus became a Homo Sapiens? In only 2 million years, 50 billion neurons should be added randomly to the new specie, and even in a perfect sequence (very unlikely in a random process) that seems not possible. The whole evolution of mammals seems unlikely, how do you go from the first mammal to elephants in only 65 million years? It doesn't makes sense once you study how slow the process should be, and how many changes should happen . I guess Charles Darwin did not know his math very well.


In opposition, one almighty person could create the world in 6 days, with no problem. Because it is almighty. And every animal on Earth today could be a descendant of the animals in the Ark, if evolution works faster than what scientist believe, meaning "evolution" is a process guided by God. So from a falsifiable point of view, ToE is less likely to explain what happened and predict what's going to happen than Creationism.


And about the creation of the first living cell, you seem to think that something can come from nothing. Which is absurd, and impossible. It is simply not possible applying the laws of physics of the world we know.


All those cracks are sinking down the science ship. It was good while it lasted, but now is time to recognize that we should stay humble, there are things that we do not know and we cannot possibly know.


These facts point towards the existence of a superior being, who can twist the laws of physics and exist beyond those laws. If you fail to see it, you are simply in denial. Like a baby, crying for his atheism to be true, but closing his eyes to the proof shown.


Have you seen evolution, or are you just believing what you have been indoctrinated by the State, School and Scientists to believe?


No, I have not seen God. I have not seen a specie become another, only in movies and documentaries. Those are fictions, you know? Created by men.


The abrahamic God, as you call it, is the only God we need to explain. All the other so called gods, are something we share the line of thinking: they do not exist. So bringing them to this discussion would be a fallacy, and we should avoid fallacies.


This whole forum explains the morals, lack of contradiction and the truth of the Bible. Read it before you state a single line saying "this God cannot exist because of..."


You choose to believe in science, I choose to believe in God. I have stated how science is failing, while religion is on its peak. Never in history were so many religious people in high positions, ruling the world. From Donald Trump to Vladimir Putin, from Jair Bolsonaro to Rodrigo Duterte, Christians are ruling the world and we are not far from Biblical Law.


Open your eyes and be saved! Before it's too late!

[Peter Cossik]

Re: Coming to this site for the first time, amazed by what I see!

Peter, I've been thinking about all you have said. While you provided no proof or facts to back up your outlandish claims, you believe them all the same.
Consider the following:
Isaiah 29:14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

Matthew 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

John 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
John 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

John 12:39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

1st Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
1st Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1st Corinthians 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1st Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

1st Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
1st Corinthians 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
1st Corinthians 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
1st Corinthians 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1st Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

1st Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1st Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

1st Corinthians 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
1st Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
1st Corinthians 3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

Jude 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
Jude 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Jude 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Jude 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

It’s obvious that you are beyond reason, but thank you for creating such a wonderful goldmine of hilarity.

***FOREIGN GIBBERISH REMOVED***

[James Hutchins]

Re: Coming to this site for the first time, amazed by what I see!

Peter, I've been thinking about all you have said. While you provided no proof or facts to back up your outlandish claims, you believe them all the same.
Consider the following:
Isaiah 29:14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

Matthew 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

John 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
John 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

John 12:39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

1st Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
1st Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1st Corinthians 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1st Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

1st Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
1st Corinthians 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
1st Corinthians 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
1st Corinthians 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1st Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

1st Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1st Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

1st Corinthians 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
1st Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
1st Corinthians 3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

Jude 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
Jude 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Jude 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Jude 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

[BrotherLarry]

Re: Coming to this site for the first time, amazed by what I see!

Oh, the number of times we have been visited by folk who try to invalidate the precious faith that we have all found by reading the Word of God, the Holy Bible. It hasn't worked yet - and do you know why?


The Lord of Hosts is real. His Word is real. Praise God, our salvation(R) is REAL. Our love for others is REAL. Yes, friend, there is nothing you will find here that isn't rooted in reality - the reality that God formed the earth in seven days; Eve was tempted by the serpent and fed the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil which our LORD had given instructions not to touch.


Sin was brought to earth that day and God had a plan. A plan whereby His ONLY Son should have to come to earth, be implanted in a virgin, be born in Bethlehem (Israel, not PA), turn water into wine, calm an angry sea, suffer immeasurable agony, be betrayed, spit upon, nailed to an old rugged cross, temporarily die, and, thanks to the beautiful holiday of Easter, rise again to conquer darkness and death. He ascended back to Heaven and will someday return to gather His Bride (us). The good news is that YOU TOO can be a part of that Heavenly Throng. And it's so simple - as all things Christian are.


All you have to do is BELIEVE on the LORD JESUS CHRIST and our Bible says YOU WILL BE SAVED. Conditions do apply: You must walk in complete faith, obeying every single Word of the Holy Bible. You must go into the world as we do and preach the gospel to every creature. You must tithe to His Work, and while there are millions of churches, the one that pleases GOD the most is Landover Baptist Church in halcyon Freehold, Iowa. You can be assured to get the most from your tithing dollar when you tithe above the usual 10 percent.


We are not guilty of the things you've set forth in your accusational posting. No. Indeed you will find no more love anywhere than you will find here. We simply follow the teachings of the Holy Scriptures completely - without fail. Again - it's so simple. I assure you that we welcome you here and sincerely hope that we can show you what being a Christian is - not what people who don't know say it is, but what it truly is. That truth, which we hold dear, is exemplified in all we do, and in all we say. Won't you come and taste Jesus? You'll find He is good. (Psalm 34:8)


BrotherLarry

[James Hutchins]

Re: Coming to this site for the first time, amazed by what I see!

It was decided by religious people, based off their religious belief. This offers no proof for anything. Do you honestly think that thr calander has existed since the beginnng of time and that mystical humans somehow knew what time to start at because of god? Yeah, no.

'Decided by Religious people'. I see. No one else had a say.
So until God came waltzing along, no one tracked the days or seasons. Each morning, they woke and said 'Oh boy, Saturday, no work!" Do you even realize how absurd that is? Or do you think it is by Intelligent Design, that there are seven days in a week, 24 hours in a day and twelve months in a year? That we have water to drink and pigs for bacon? Or do you think it is all by absolute random chance?


How about you run an experiment? You can use dice. Roll the dice 1,000,000 times, recording all the combinations you get and the number of times you get it. Also record the time (subtracting for sleep, breaks, ect.) Let's say, you got snake eyes 3256 times and it took you seven days. Now place the dice on the table, with snake eyes every time. How long did it take? How many times did you not get snake eyes when you Intelligently placed the dice on the table?


See, we are all for proving Gods existence.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Coming to this site for the first time, amazed by what I see!

Goodness but you are an angry, bitter atheist. I'd say you need a snickers but what you really need is to open your heart to JESUS!

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Coming to this site for the first time, amazed by what I see!

There’s no real “unit of complexity”. The fossil record shows single celled organisms giving way to multicellular organisms and so on.

Yet again, using the Bible as proof. Do you really not see how nonsensical that is? Have you gone to London and tried to enter Platform 9 3/4 because Harry Potter said it was real?

If there is no unit of complexity how are you measuring complexity? If you are going by the number of cells then an Redwood tree is more complicated than a person.

Harry Potter is a self acknowledged work of fiction. If the Bible(KJV1611) was a work of fiction it would have a disclaimer in the dust jacket.

Let me ask you this: do you believe in evolution because someone told you or did you read it in a book?

YIC

[Peter Cossik]

Re: Coming to this site for the first time, amazed by what I see!

How do you know things are more complex after ‘millions’ of years? What units are you measuring complexity in?

The Bible(KJV1611) clearly states in Genesis 1:25 “And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Why would things need to evolve if God saw that they were good?

YIC

There’s no real “unit of complexity”. The fossil record shows single celled organisms giving way to multicellular organisms and so on.

Yet again, using the Bible as proof. Do you really not see how nonsensical that is? Have you gone to London and tried to enter Platform 9 3/4 because Harry Potter said it was real?

[Thinks Design]

Re: Coming to this site for the first time, amazed by what I see!

Mistakes in the genome called mutations are what changes, allowing more complexity.

It doesn’t happen quickly. As I said, it takes place over millions of years.

That’s abiogenesis, a completely separate topic from evolution. We don’t know exactly how, but there are many hypothesis and experiements getting us closer to an answer, I can find some for you.

Not sure what you mean by this, but the Big Bang theory has nothing to do with evolution.

Don’t you think that the Earth has to have been designed by something or someone I mean it can’t just have happened all by random.

I think intelligent design has been gathering a lot of people who are walking away from evolution because it cannot answer the important questions of why things work so well like a clock work.

ThinksDesign

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Coming to this site for the first time, amazed by what I see!

Mistakes in the genome called mutations are what changes, allowing more complexity.

It doesn’t happen quickly. As I said, it takes place over millions of years.

That’s abiogenesis, a completely separate topic from evolution. We don’t know exactly how, but there are many hypothesis and experiements getting us closer to an answer, I can find some for you.

Not sure what you mean by this, but the Big Bang theory has nothing to do with evolution.

How do you know things are more complex after ‘millions’ of years? What units are you measuring complexity in?

The Bible(KJV1611) clearly states in Genesis 1:25 “And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Why would things need to evolve if God saw that they were good?

YIC