[Ahmad_Deedat]

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That just sounds like a lot of thinly veiled contempt for Jesus to me. It seems that if Mo loved Jesus, he would just admit the obvious truth that Jesus is the Son of God. After all, Jesus says God is His Father. Such scripture has been recited over and over for you, yet you, like Mudhammer, persist in denying the divinity of Jesus. So you are calling Jesus a liar. It sounds to me like you and Mohamhead hate Jesus. How do you expect to make friends if you hate Jesus?

Get real.. Please.

How divine is someone who is allegedly crucified and killed ?? Not very.

[James Dewitt]

Re: Intro !

Not all is to be taken literally..

The Bible(KJV1611) Is true

2nd Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


Yes you will follow it word for word, no question, no debate!

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Matthew 4:4 Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

[Brother Temperance]

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Get real.. Please.

How divine is someone who is allegedly crucified and killed ?? Not very.

Someone who is crucified, killed, and comes back from the dead sounds pretty divine to me. Besides
John 10:28 - And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
How divine is someone who can give eternal life? VERY.

[Ahmad_Deedat]

Re: Intro !

The Bible(KJV1611) Is true

2nd Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


Yes you will follow it word for word, no question, no debate!

If we do that then we suddenly have many Gods instead of One Almighty. We have the Devil, Moses, and the Jews also. A great many Gods..

Someone who is crucified, killed, and comes back from the dead sounds pretty divine to me. Besides
John 10:28 - And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
How divine is someone who can give eternal life? VERY.

Jesus rose from the dead not by his own will or doing but by that of God. If I die and God decides that I must rise and live on that won´t make me divine at all.

And Jesus does not give anyone eternal life on his own but again by the will of God.

[James Dewitt]

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=Ahmad_Deedat;601547]If we do that then we suddenly have many Gods instead of One Almighty. We have the Devil, Moses, and the Jews also. A great many Gods..

The devil, Moses and Jews are not God.
Revelation 1:8

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.



Praise Jesus

[Ahmad_Deedat]

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The devil, Moses and Jews are not God.
Revelation 1:8

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.



Praise Jesus

But he says they are in other verses. So either we take every single word and verse literally or we don´t.. If we do then Jesus is in fact the son of God. Or one of the God´s, cause we then have many..If not it means we have One God Almighty and Jesus is "only" his prophet. The Messiah..

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Jesus rose from the dead not by his own will or doing but by that of God. If I die and God decides that I must rise and live on that won´t make me divine at all.

And Jesus does not give anyone eternal life on his own but again by the will of God.

So you're either saying Jesus lied, or that the Bible is incorrect.

Which is it?

Did God let Jesus (whom you claim to be a man) lie, misleading billions into Hell, and not correct it . . .

Or has God let His Word be incorrect, knowingly allowing billions to be misled in to Hell?

Why do you think God is evil and wants people to be misled so they go to Hell?

[Brother Temperance]

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Jesus rose from the dead not by his own will or doing but by that of God. If I die and God decides that I must rise and live on that won´t make me divine at all.

And Jesus does not give anyone eternal life on his own but again by the will of God.

Cite scripture to back up your assertions please.

[Ahmad_Deedat]

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So you're either saying Jesus lied, or that the Bible is incorrect.

Which is it?

Did God let Jesus (whom you claim to be a man) lie, misleading billions into Hell, and not correct it . . .

Or has God let His Word be incorrect, knowingly allowing billions to be misled in to Hell?

Why do you think God is evil and wants people to be misled so they go to Hell?

Gods word was corrupted by man and the correction is The Holy Quran.. Which still stands as God true uncorrupted words..

Cite scripture to back up your assertions please.

3:45 - Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah;

5:75 - The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded.

[Lisa H]

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Dear Lisa.. It´s not that I do not want to answer your questions. But I have been working alot these past two days and there are many posts that need answering. Precious little time I´m afraid have been available..

That said..


Let´s then have a look at 2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world (The Devil) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Who else blinded the minds of them which believe not?

So God, in this own words, calls the Devil, The God of this world. But the Devil is not really God is he?

Not all is to be taken literally..

Thanks for your reply. I will respond to your points in different posts.

2 Corinthians 4
1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;
2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

This is talking about worshiping man made gods, not just Satan. This can be seen in the line "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not" notice god is in all lower case, signifying it is not the One True God.

As in today, people back then worshiped false gods and idols. Verse 1 & 2 are showing the true believes, True Christians worship God and are not deceived by false gods and lie. Verse 3 is talking about hiding or taking away the teaching of the Lord and Bible, so not not to allow the truth about the Lord to be known.

Some examples of other or man made gods are given in the Bible;

Judges 8:33 And it came to pass, as soon as Gideon was dead, that the children of Israel turned again, and went a whoring after Baalim, and made Baalberith their god.
Numbers 25:3 And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel.
1 Kings 18:18 And he answered, I have not troubled Israel; but thou, and thy father's house, in that ye have forsaken the commandments of the LORD, and thou hast followed Baalim.

So the verse is really talking about worshiping God and not other gods or trying not hide the truth about God.

Another example can be more clearly seen in this verse
Deuteronomy 32:17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.

[Lisa H]

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No, Levi Jones used John 10:30 out of context. I brought it back into context. Reread my post.

If you read my post with rest of John 10, then it shows Jesus is the Son of God.

Also we can see this in these verses
Matthew 10
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

[Lisa H]

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Gods word was corrupted by man and the correction is The Holy Quran.. Which still stands as God true uncorrupted words..

3:45 - Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah;

5:75 - The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded.

The Bible is Gods Word. Why would you say the Quran is uncorrupted is the Gods words. The Quran and Mohammad denies Jesus is the Son of God.

Jesus warned of false prophets that are out to deceive;
Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

By denying Jesus is the Son of God, then the Quran has corrupted the Word of God.
Where are the Biblical stories and parables that are in the Bible, but not in the Quran?
Much of the Quran is about Mohammad, so how can it be the Word of God?

Also God has given mankind the will to believe in him or not. If a person no longer wants to believe in God then they will persecuted by the Lord in their eternal life. Mohammad and the Quran say that person must be killed. Therefore you are taking away God's gift of free will to believe in Him.

[Ahmad_Deedat]

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Hmm.. This is so frustrating..

19:30 - [Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet.

19:31 - And He has made me blessed wherever I am and has enjoined upon me prayer and zakah as long as I remain alive

19:32 - And [made me] dutiful to my mother, and He has not made me a wretched tyrant.

19:33 - And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive."

19:34 - That is Jesus, the son of Mary - the word of truth about which they are in dispute.

19:35 - It is not [befitting] for Allah to take a son; exalted is He! When He decrees an affair, He only says to it, "Be," and it is.

19:36 - [Jesus said], "And indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path."

19:37 - Then the factions differed [concerning Jesus] from among them, so woe to those who disbelieved - from the scene of a tremendous Day.

19:38 - How [clearly] they will hear and see the Day they come to Us, but the wrongdoers today are in clear error.

19:39 - And warn them, [O Muhammad], of the Day of Regret, when the matter will be concluded; and [yet], they are in [a state of] heedlessness, and they do not believe.

19:40 - Indeed, it is We who will inherit the earth and whoever is on it, and to Us they will be returned.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Stop right there.

Before you go any further at cramming your cult down our throats, answer THESE QUESTIONS.

[Ahmad_Deedat]

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Ok then.. Explain to me if you can this passage from the KJV

Acts 2:22 - Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

A man.. The miracles and wonders and signs. Which God did by him. Jesus didn´t do it.. God did it..