[Can I justify that]

Re: Hello.

AH HA! You admit it!

You hate God and His rules, so you deny that He exists so you won't have to obey.

Congratulations, you have proven what we have known to be true about atheists all along: You know God exists, you just don't want to obey and you hate Him so you deny His existence.

No. That's not what I was saying at all. That's not WHY I'm atheist. I know he does not exist. Come on, that's just silly. I'm simply saying Atheism is quite special and full of liberty, free from the stupid commandments that you all have to follow.

[James Hutchins]

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No. That's not what I was saying at all. That's not WHY I'm atheist. I know he does not exist. Come on, that's just silly. I'm simply saying Atheism is quite special and full of liberty, free from the stupid commandments that you all have to follow.

What proof do you have that God does not exist? And do not respond by asking me to prove he does. I asked you FIRST since your threw down the Gauntlet of Challenge(r). You cannot use theories or guess. concrete irrefutable proof.

[Can I justify that]

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OK, so let me see if I understand what you believe.

First, there was nothing. Nothing exploded (for no apparent reason) and became something. In the midst of this explosion were life forms existing in a vacuum, that got stuck to meteors that landed on planets and interbred to make humans.

Is that about right? You have no idea where the something came from, or the life forms that were part of the explosion.

Can you even provide a "science" reference that supports this ridiculous cosmology?

Really?

But all the atheists who come here claim that atheism is the LACK OF BELIEF in gods and IS NOT a religion.

While we know that atheism is really hatred of God so intense that they deny He exists, atheists claim that there is no "atheist set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe". Atheists say they do not believe in "a supernatural agency or agencies", do not have "devotional and ritual observances", and have no moral code.

Secular humanism might fit part of that definition, in the moral code. Unitarianism has the devotional and ritual observances.

But sorry, every atheist I've ever met or conversed with on this forum or interacted with in any way would disagree with your claim that atheism fits any part of your definition of a religion.

SO, please explain for us the atheist beliefs about the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe.

Bear in mind that many atheists do not subscribe to the Big Bang OR to M Theory.

Tell us about the supernatural agency or agencies that atheists worship.

Describe the atheist ritual and devotional observances.

Point us to the atheist moral code.

Thanks!

First, there was nothing. Nothing exploded (for no apparent reason) and became something. In the midst of this explosion were life forms existing in a vacuum, that got stuck to meteors that landed on planets and interbred to make humans.

I love how you took that from a stupid Christianity diss picture.
But no, there wasn't nothing. As I've explained, it was a huge ball, or whatever the shape was, and it exploded spreading across the universe.

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Is that about right? You have no idea where the something came from, or the life forms that were part of the explosion.

Neither do you. Suppose "God" doesn't exist. Do you know where it came from? No. Hence, theories.

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Can you even provide a "science" reference that supports this ridiculous cosmology?

I already have. Read my posts.

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But all the atheists who come here claim that atheism is the LACK OF BELIEF in gods and IS NOT a religion.

As I've already quoted, a religion is something that a group of people believe in. In this case, a mass belief of something that ISN'T.

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While we know that atheism is really hatred of God so intense that they deny He exists,

>we know
You must not know s hit about atheism, then. It's not "hatred" of God. Who can hate something that doesn't exist? Sure, you can hate the belief. Actually, a lot of atheists do hate the belief. But not as if he's real. Atheism is simply not surrendering to any type or form of supernatural thing/God. Not the hate of your Christian God, which is completely conceited because "God/Jesus" isn't the only belief of a God out there.

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atheists claim that there is no "atheist set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe". Atheists say they do not believe in "a supernatural agency or agencies", do not have "devotional and ritual observances", and have no moral code.

Secular humanism might fit part of that definition, in the moral code. Unitarianism has the devotional and ritual observances.

Okay, yes, you're right, it may. But those are just parts of atheism. Don't you see? Those things are simply parts of Atheism, and doesn't cover the entire meaning and purpose of it.

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But sorry, every atheist I've ever met or conversed with on this forum or interacted with in any way would disagree with your claim that atheism fits any part of your definition of a religion.

No, they wouldn't. Explain to them what I just did you. They would understand and agree with me.

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SO, please explain for us the atheist beliefs about the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe.

Bear in mind that many atheists do not subscribe to the Big Bang OR to M Theory.

Tell us about the supernatural agency or agencies that atheists worship.

Describe the atheist ritual and devotional observances.

Point us to the atheist moral code.

Thanks!

1. Cause of the universe? Whatever theory you want to believe in. Atheism lets you make your own connections, there's no "instruction guide." You can make your own beliefs and rules. And again, we're only human. We don't know EXACTLY how the universe was created. The best theory so far is the Big Bang, so that.
Nature? Just the logic and physics explained by science.
Purpose? None. It is, after all, inanimate. It's a wide open space. It's not supposed to support life, or even ANYTHING, but it just so happens that it does.

2. The only "supernatural" thing that Atheists may believe in are aliens. Not the "illegal aliens," ones who have illegally migrated, but real aliens. And most atheists are smart enough not to believe in the stereotypical alien and UFO. But just living somewhere in another solar system on a planet. Even if they're tiny, or don't operate like we do at all. Though they do not at all "worship" anything.

3. N/A

4. Two main things, basically the same.
-Don't believe in any God
-Don't follow any other religion, if it's a God or not

You're welcome!

[Lisa H]

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... Atheism lets you make your own connections, there's no "instruction guide." You can make your own beliefs and rules. ...

Is another rule for atheists. There seems to be a lot of rules for something that has no rules.

From this "rule" Christians can be atheists.

[Can I justify that]

Re: Hello.

What proof do you have that God does not exist? And do not respond by asking me to prove he does. I asked you FIRST since your threw down the Gauntlet of Challenge®. You cannot use theories or guess. concrete irrefutable proof.

The reason I replied with a question is because YOU can't prove it either. But; here are some theories I have come up with myself to prove that God doesn't exist.

-In the Bible, I'm pretty sure it says somewhere that WAY underground is Hell. But, there are other planets out there, are there not? So that means if you die on Mars and you've been a bad person, or homosexual, whatever, you get transported light-years away, back to Earth, underground. Also at some points it says Heaven is located in the clouds. Okay, say it's invisible, so airplanes can't reach it. We'll say only souls can reach/see/be in it. Either way, that would make Earth the special planet in the universe. One governed by a God and a Demi-God. One with THE Heaven and Hell. There is no other, right? And so God says, there are no other Gods than him, right? So no other Gods are monitoring other planets. So what makes the human race so special? If we exist here, and can find other planets with same or close conditions, such as Titan, one of Saturn's moons, then there's bound to be life somewhere else in the universe, right? A Godless society? So why in the hell would "God" chose this planet? What's the point? There may be even more advanced life somewhere in the universe. And don't tell me you don't believe in life starting without a God. How do you think we cloned a sheep and a dog with no problems? Atoms/Molecules. DNA. That could form on some planet with a good atmosphere. So, why Earth?



-And, just because there's a book governing your every move, and the religion yourself does not mean it's true. And, I don't get how it could be written through a span of thousands of years, whereas Jesus was born, killed, revived and never heard from again in under a span of 100 years. Okay, sure, written by about 40 people. I'll believe that. But say all those 40 people were writing it for the same cause. For a better future. One with less killing, stealing, something to scare the idiots into believing.


And that's just two. Completely legit. Thought-out. Happy?

[Can I justify that]

Re: Hello.

Is another rule for atheists. There seems to be a lot of rules for something that has no rules.

From this "rule" Christians can be atheists.

What? How old are you? 12?
>lets you
>can

It doesn't say you HAVE TO do any of those things, or there will be a consequence. It doesn't say you have to do any of those things period.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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I love how you took that from a stupid Christianity diss picture.
But no, there wasn't nothing. As I've explained, it was a huge ball, or whatever the shape was, and it exploded spreading across the universe.

And where did this "huge ball" come from? It had to come from somewhere, didn't it? Or are you saying it "always existed", then after an eternity, randomly exploded?

That makes no sense at all.

I already have. Read my posts.

No, you have never provided any scientific reference claiming that a "huge ball" exploded, flinging life forms across the universe. In fact, I will wager you $100 in tithe to Landover Baptist Church (loser tithes the $100) that you cannot find any such scientific reference which claims life forms were flung from an exploding "huge ball", then clung to meteors in the vacuum of space until landing on planets.

As I've already quoted, a religion is something that a group of people believe in. In this case, a mass belief of something that ISN'T.

Then why do all atheists besides you say that atheism is, as the etymology of the word would suggest, a lack of belief?

1. Cause of the universe? Whatever theory you want to believe in. Atheism lets you make your own connections, there's no "instruction guide." You can make your own beliefs and rules. And again, we're only human. We don't know EXACTLY how the universe was created. The best theory so far is the Big Bang, so that.

Nature? Just the logic and physics explained by science.

Purpose? None. It is, after all, inanimate. It's a wide open space. It's not supposed to support life, or even ANYTHING, but it just so happens that it does.

Really, this sounds like what you believe, not what all atheists believe. You said atheism is a religion. You defined religion. Now you are saying that atheism does not fit your own definition of religion.

2. The only "supernatural" thing that Atheists may believe in are aliens. Not the "illegal aliens," ones who have illegally migrated, but real aliens. And most atheists are smart enough not to believe in the stereotypical alien and UFO. But just living somewhere in another solar system on a planet. Even if they're tiny, or don't operate like we do at all. Though they do not at all "worship" anything.

Many atheists believe in ghosts. Being an atheist means only that they claim not to believe in GODS.

What exactly would be supernatural about extraterrestrials? In fact, to an atheist, who thinks life evolved on its own, it would be silly NOT to believe that there is life on other planets.

3. N/A

N/A? Your very own definition of a religion is that it includes rituals and observances. Now you say atheism has none. How can it be a religion?

4. Two main things, basically the same.

-Don't believe in any God
-Don't follow any other religion, if it's a God or not

You're welcome!

That's not a moral code. A moral code explains what is right and wrong, and teaches people how to behave.

Actually, your answer demonstrates something I've said literally hundreds of times: Atheists have no morals. You don't even know what a moral code IS!

[Lisa H]

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What? How old are you? 12?
>lets you
>can

It doesn't say you HAVE TO do any of those things, or there will be a consequence. It doesn't say you have to do any of those things period.

Answer this simple question.

Is there rules for atheism Yes or No.

[Can I justify that]

Re: Hello.

Can I justify that cracks me up. Making so many guess and interestingly, "prayers of hope" that these 'scientific theories' are correct. Time and time again, most theories have been eventually proven false. However, the Bible has remained steadfast with no change , Ever! That alone should tell you something.
Theories are guess of explanations, the Bible has no guesses. It tells it like it was and is. There are no 'Maybes' in the Bible.
I look out my window in the middle of the day and see light. A scientist might 'theorize' I left the floodlights on or maybe the sun is shinning. He does not know, he is guessing. Believing in God, I know enough to see the Truth® so I simply go outside and see for myself. So where the 'scientist' is guessing, I know the fact. Just like the Bible. The Truth®.
So, as a 'scientist' you better pray your guess is correct because if you are wrong, you will be mighty sorry.

So you're saying you don't believe in SCIENCE. Things that are PROVED with SCIENCE.
Nice going.

Not following rules & regulations is rebellious or lawless, not atheism. If Christians cannot be atheists then it must be a law. What is so hard to understand about that. You were the one that said atheism was a religion, so admit you are following religious laws.

Why cannot you accept the Bible has been written over a long period of time by different people, and is valid proof. According to your scientific theory models, it counts as valid proof. Funny how you would accept data from your scientists presented in the same way, but not the Bible.

It's only valid because of your religion. Only the people of your religion can accept it as proof. The Bible hasn't been proved. The Bible is simply text and writing. Give me real proof, proof how it's not just a fairytale. The first fictional book ever written.

[Can I justify that]

Re: Hello.

Answer this simple question.

Is there rules for atheism Yes or No.

No, there are no rules. You do want you want to do. Or you don't. It really doesn't matter. It's an open religion. Sure, there's requirements to be an Atheist, but there's requirements for everything religion in order to be a part of it.

[Lisa H]

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No, there are no rules. You do want you want to do. Or you don't. It really doesn't matter. It's an open religion. Sure, there's requirements to be an Atheist, but there's requirements for everything religion in order to be a part of it.

If there are no rules, then why are there requirements. Requirements are rules.

If I can do what I want as an atheist, then I can still be a Christian.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Hello.

What proof do you have that God does not exist? And do not respond by asking me to prove he does. I asked you FIRST since your threw down the Gauntlet of Challenge®. You cannot use theories or guess. concrete irrefutable proof.

The reason I replied with a question is because YOU can't prove it either. But; here are some theories I have come up with myself to prove that God doesn't exist.

<<<<<<<<<<<< Wacked out theories >>>>>>>>>>>> Happy?

No, not happy

What part of the challange did you fail to understand?


Typical Athiest!

[James Hutchins]

Re: Hello.

So you're saying you don't believe in SCIENCE. Things that are PROVED with SCIENCE.
Nice going.




It's only valid because of your religion. Only the people of your religion can accept it as proof. The Bible hasn't been proved. The Bible is simply text and writing. Give me real proof, proof how it's not just a fairytale. The first real book ever written.

No, science guesses at things and hopes they are right. Reality proves things are what they are. God is reality. You did a total fail at the Gauntlet of Challenge(r). Until you succeed at that, your future questions hold no merit.

A man can not walk until he makes the first step. You need to take that first step before you can go on to the second one.

[Phebe Carlyle]

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No, science guesses at things and hopes they are right. Reality proves things are what they are. God is reality. You did a total fail at the Gauntlet of Challenge®. Until you succeed at that, your future questions hold no merit.

A man can not walk until he makes the first step. You need to take that first step before you can go on to the second one.

Amen Brother! That is what I was saying all yesterday, but he just kept side-stepping and avoided the issue.

Atheists, especially the "know it all" sciency ones, are in denial of reality.

YIC

Sister Phebe.

[Can I justify that]

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No, science guesses at things and hopes they are right. Reality proves things are what they are. God is reality. You did a total fail at the Gauntlet of Challenge®. Until you succeed at that, your future questions hold no merit.

A man can not walk until he makes the first step. You need to take that first step before you can go on to the second one.

Science most certainly does not "guess." They prove it with reality, they don't take utter bullshit from a book and believe it. They do experiments and prove the theories.

God is not reality. You're so naive.

No, not happy

What part of the challange did you fail to understand?


Typical Athiest!

Theories are all you have. Theories are all I have. You have no proof whatsoever that the Bible is true. There's no way to prove it. And you still haven't. What else am I gonna say? Theories are all anyone has. You have no REAL proof that he exists, and I don't have much REAL proof he doesn't. But you still didn't acknowledge my arguments, most likely because you know they were right, and you're reverting to immaturity like "DERP, WHAT A TYPICAL ATHEIST," and changing my username from "Can you justify that" to "Can I justify that." Really, how immature of you. How old are you all? Age your god damn age. Ridiculing me by changing my posts, my name, and to say my location is "worshiping monkies," REALLY? Grow up. Every one of you. None of you can actually give me a head-to-head argument about why they think I'm wrong.

Just look at what I said, disregarding it's a theory, and try to prove it wrong.