[Lost Sheep McUinnean]

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Phub!? Phub??!? what is THAT!=?!?

Some kind of dyslexic blessing or curse?!?

Pray he undoes Baghdad?
Phillistines hateful u-turn bombing?
Panties hidden under bed?

[Imam Rashik]

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Handmaiden

Islam is the true religion of Allah (pbuh) (the one you call God pbuh). You have taken text from a source that you do not believe to be true and claimed to be true. You have deceived yourself in knowing Allah (pbuh) and following the path of disbeleivers. You are like the jinn to make mischief for the believers and make yourself look foolish.

Do not deny the Prophet Mohammad (phub) and the prophets before him. To claim as you do that Islam does not recognize those after Prophet Mohammad (phub) is hypocritical for you since you deny Prophet Mohammad (phub) who came after Prophet Jesus (phub)

Take time to read the following Sura's to gain knowledge on your failings

SURA 2.
11. And when it is said to them, Do not make mischief in the land, they say: We are but peace-makers.
12. Now surely they themselves are the mischief makers, but they do not perceive.
13. And when it is said to them: Believe as the people believe they say: Shall we believe as the fools believe? Now surely they themselves are the fools, but they do not know.

135. And they say: Be Jews or Christians, you will be on the right course. Say: Nay! [we follow] the religion of Ibrahim, the Hanif, and he was not one of the polytheists.
136. Say: We believe in Allah and [in] that which had been revealed to us, and [in] that which was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and [in] that which was given to Musa and Isa, and [in] that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit.

SURA 3.
19. Surely the [true] religion with Allah is Islam, and those to whom the Book had been given did not show opposition but after knowledge had come to them, out of envy among themselves; and whoever disbelieves in the communications of Allah then surely Allah is quick in reckoning.
20. But if they dispute with you, say: I have submitted myself entirely to Allah and [so] every one who follows me; and say to those who have been given the Book and the unlearned people: Do you submit yourselves? So if they submit then indeed they follow the right way; and if they turn back, then upon you is only the delivery of the message and Allah sees the servants.
21. Surely [as for] those who disbelieve in the communications of Allah and slay the prophets unjustly and slay those among men who enjoin justice, announce to them a painful chastisement.

[Titus Templeton]

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Since Sister Handmaiden brought up the Mormons, I have one thing.

The prophets in the Bible spoke to God. Joseph Smith and Muhammad spoke to "an angel" so even if they were telling the truth, it's just an angel. Oh, and what does the Bible say about angels?

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Somehow I don't think accepting new teachings from an angel is such a trustworthy thing to do.

Amen to that Sister!

[BelieverInGod]

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Since Sister Handmaiden brought up the Mormons, I have one thing.

The prophets in the Bible spoke to God. Joseph Smith and Muhammad spoke to "an angel" so even if they were telling the truth, it's just an angel. Oh, and what does the Bible say about angels?

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Somehow I don't think accepting new teachings from an angel is such a trustworthy thing to do.

[handmaiden]

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So, Mister My-Religion-Is-Truer-Than-Yours-Because-It-Supposedly-Builds-On-The-Beliefs-That-Came-Before-It, what about the Baha'i Faith? I'll throw in some Wikipedia babble to alert other readers about it (not that you can trust Wikipedia, but since it's a false religion it doesn't really matter if they get it wrong.)

From what I have heard, Judaism and Christianity are legally allowed in Muslim countries because Islam believes that their tenants are precursors to the "final" dispensation of Islam. Baha'i came after Islam, so you people eradicate it like rats chewing on an oriental carpet.

So much for all your tolerance. As far as you are concerned, Jews and Christians have it a little right, but Islam got it perfect and God stopped sending out prophets at that point. Anything that comes after Muhammad is from Satan.

Hmmm . . . that's kind of how True Christians consider Mormonism. The guy who started it tore some pages out of a Bible, mixed it up with some fancy sounding prose and insisted that it was God's latest, but final word to humankind.

Listen, pal. God started the ball rolling with the Old Testament. In it, He handed us all manner of hints to let us know about Jesus. Jesus came, did what had to be done to fulfill the Old Testament and God directed His contemporaries to write about it so that we would have His Word to guide us until Jesus comes back to wrap up a few loose ends (which are mentioned in both the OT and NT).

There was no need of any other prophets or messengers because God came down personally in the mortal form of Jesus Himself.

So, do the math. Jesus is God. He came directly so that nothing could get distorted by the hand of man. After He ascended into heaven, why would He send another messenger? Do you think that He snapped His fingers after a thousand years and said, "Darn! I knew there was something that I forgot to mention!"?

There was no logical reason He would send a mere man to do a job He already had His Son take care of. The idea that Muhammad was a legitimate mouth piece for God is therefore ridiculous.

We, Christians take your claims of divinely revealed knowledge about as seriously as you take the Baha'i guys. In other words, we are offended beyond measure.

So take your camel crap that you impudently call religious "truth" and get out of here!


Boldly Yours,

Handmaiden



The Bahá'í Faith is a monotheistic religion founded by Bahá'u'lláh in nineteenth-century Persia, emphasizing the spiritual unity of all humankind.
In the Bahá'í Faith, religious history is seen to have unfolded through a series of divine messengers, each of whom established a religion that was suited to the needs of the time and the capacity of the people. These messengers have included Abraham, the Buddha Jesus Muhammad and others, and most recently the Báband Bahá'u'lláh.

[Imam Rashik]

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You're not fooling me!

"A la peanutbutter sandwhiches!" Right!?

You Holy Book warns you of the use magic. Just as the The Holy Quran does.

SURA 2.
101. And when there came to them a Messenger from Allah verifying that which they have, a party of those who were given the Book threw the Book of Allah behind their backs as if they knew nothing.
102. And they followed what the Shaitans chanted of sorcery in the reign of Sulaiman, and Sulaiman was not an unbeliever, but the Shaitans disbelieved, they taught men sorcery and that was sent down to the two angels at Babel, Harut and Marut, yet these two taught no man until they had said, "Surely we are only a trial, therefore do not be a disbeliever." Even then men learned from these two, magic by which they might cause a separation between a man and his wife; and they cannot hurt with it any one except with Allah's permission, and they learned what harmed them and did not profit them, and certainly they know that he who bought it should have no share of good in the hereafter and evil was the price for which they sold their souls, had they but known this.
103. And if they had believed and guarded themselves [against evil], reward from Allah would certainly have been better; had they but known [this].

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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You're not fooling me!

"A la peanutbutter sandwhiches!" Right!?

[Imam Rashik]

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Oh I get it! You're trying to do magic!

There is no magic in Allah (pbuh). The jinn has no association with Allah (pbuh). Allah (pbuh) did create the jinn, but does do His work.

SURA 6.
100. And they make the jinn associates with Allah, while He created them, and they falsely attribute to Him sons and daughters without knowledge; glory be to Him, and highly exalted is He above what they ascribe [to Him].

SURA 7
179. And certainly We have created for hell many of the jinn and the men; they have hearts with which they do not understand, and they have eyes with which they do not see, and they have ears with which they do not hear; they are as cattle, nay, they are in worse errors; these are the heedless ones.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Oh I get it! You're trying to do magic!

[Imam Rashik]

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Hey sand nigra, can you answer THESE QUESTIONS?

Why are you disputing what Allah (pbuh) has given us. Is anyone better or more knowing than Allah (pbuh)

SURA 2.
139. Say: Do you dispute with us about Allah, and He is our Lord and your Lord, and we shall have our deeds and you shall have your deeds, and we are sincere to Him.
140. Nay! do you say that Ibrahim and Ismail and Yaqoub and the tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Are you better knowing or Allah? And who is more unjust than he who conceals a testimony that he has from Allah? And Allah is not at all heedless of what you do.

SURA 3.
177. Surely those who have bought unbelief at the price of faith shall do no harm at all to Allah, and they shall have a painful chastisement.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Hey sand nigra, can you answer THESE QUESTIONS?

[Imam Rashik]

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God's name isn't Allan. It's God.

Pastor Ezekiel I never called God (pbuh) Allan.

SURA 31
6. And of men is he who takes instead frivolous discourse to lead astray from Allah's path without knowledge, and to take it for a mockery; these shall have an abasing chastisement.

SURA 18
56. And We do not send messengers but as givers of good news and warning, and those who disbelieve make a false contention that they may render null thereby the truth, and they take My communications and that with which they are warned for a mockery.

[Imam Rashik]

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How about that, a real live Mudslime posting here.

You must be out of wells to poison, homes to burn, sheep to steal, children to enslave, men to murder and women to rape.

Are you some kind of slacker Mudslime??

Allah (pbuh) does forbid communicating with those who have not made war against us. Do you always fight?, there is time for peace and time for war.

SURA 60
8. Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of [your] religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice.
9. Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of [your] religion, and drove you forth from your homes and backed up [others] in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Pastor Ezekiel the one you call God (pbuh) in your Holy Book is Allah (pbuh). Your Holy Book mentions Allah (pbuh) many times but refer to him as God (pbuh).

God's name isn't Allan. It's God.

[Imam Rashik]

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Where is this "Allan" mentioned in the Holy Bible? Nobody cares about your islamofascist cult manual. Bible chapter and verse.

Pastor Ezekiel the one you call God (pbuh) in your Holy Book is Allah (pbuh). Your Holy Book mentions Allah (pbuh) many times but refer to him as God (pbuh).