My favorite verse in the bible(KJV)

[Omniverse]

I'm not Christian. But here is my favorite scripture I think more people could 'get':

1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Have love for the 'unsaved trash' not angst. Letteth notteth the sinners dampereth your moodeth. Pity themeth and treateth them good, for theyeth will endureth far worse than you willeth. I just wrote some scripture myself!

If I want to view God I listen to music. Or check out some pictures of animals or go experience nature. That is more my connection to God. his creations. his living energy inside me. I do not find God in the Bible any more than I find it in toilet paper or an ant. As all are creations of God.

I find all language to be a creation and the words of God. God created all words and all formations of words, right? So it's all the words of God in my view.

[Jedediah]

Re: My favorite verse in the bible(KJV)

I'm not Christian. But here is my favorite scripture I think more people could 'get':

Because you are not a Christian, you do not have the Holy Spirit inside you, guiding your understanding of God's Plan. In other words, you lack discernment and the ability to truly understand His Word because you are in rebellion against your Creator and continually refuse Jesus' kind offer of Redemption. So, much like one of these cherry-picking false christians who come here trying to push their vain, distorted view of what it means to serve the LORD, you take one nice-sounding verse out of context and try to negate the rest of God's Word because of your own lack of understanding.

If you had one iota of Christian discernment, you would recognize our Christian love for what it is. Why do you think we are here, spreading God's Word to lost souls? It is precisely because of our love for them. We even love you, which is why we scourge you and chasten you. If we didn't love you, we would just ignore you and let you continue to wallow in depredation without trying to get you to wake up and realize that you will burn in the lake of fire for all eternity if you don't accept Jesus Christ as your personal LORD and Savior. Even worse, if we hated you, we would molly-coddle you and tell you that your lack of belief in God is a-okay. But we love you, and we want you to join us in Heaven, believe it or not.

Hebrews 12:5-8
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

[Omniverse]

Re: My favorite verse in the bible(KJV)

Because you are not a Christian, you do not have the Holy Spirit inside you, guiding your understanding of God's Plan. In other words, you lack discernment and the ability to truly understand His Word because you are in rebellion against your Creator and continually refuse Jesus' kind offer of Redemption.

I am not in rebellion of my creator. I just don't know my creator. I feel the bible is not convincing enough. I'm going to need something more potent to turn me to a believer of your cult. As would most humans.

Why wouldn't God just give all creations a connection to the holy spirit?

There are distinct contradictions in the beliefs I see here. Some major problems at least. Maybe you can clear some up for me.

WHY did God create Satan.... And why did he not just purge his soul of existing once he turned on him???

Why did God not create harmony on earth?

Why would God create disease?

Why did God make us sinners? Why not bypass original sin, and create a harmonious utopia where everything is understood of God and creation, and we can live without confusion?

Why would a loving God create so many beings to suffer for ALL OF ETERNITY. Wouldn't that be part of his making? Wouldn't he know countless beings would suffer for all eternity for being how he made them? Thats his fault if they end up in hell as I see it(if the belief is true). It would be his fault they suffer for eternity. And thats a pretty big mistake... If even just one being experiences that. I do not wish hell for even beings who have tortured me hundreds of times... I do not think this is how it really is... Its just built in to my soul to reject that...


Why not just create angels to explain the truth to beings all over the place in an undisputable fashion?

Why is God covert with his body? Where does God reside? My name is where God resides(if there is one). The Omniverse.

There is many more but I would like it if someone could explain all these things to me as per the strict KJV belief system displayed here.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: My favorite verse in the bible(KJV)

I am not in rebellion of my creator. I just don't know my creator. I feel the bible is not convincing enough. I'm going to need something more potent to turn me to a believer of your cult. As would most humans.

So aliens don't really talk to you?

Why wouldn't God just give all creations a connection to the holy spirit?

God does. It's just asking the Holy Spirit into you and listening. Some of us might all hear a different message from the Holy Ghost, but that's because He has a special voice and command only for each one of us individually.

Isn't it amazing?

There are distinct contradictions in the beliefs I see here. Some major problems at least. Maybe you can clear some up for me.

WHY did God create Satan.... And why did he not just purge his soul of existing once he turned on him???

Because He is God and you aren't. His ways are too mysterious for our mere human minds. Maybe it was because God still has a special place in His heart for His former angel of light.

Remember God and Satan's bet over Job's soul.

Job 2:1-5 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.
And Satan answered the LORD, and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life.
But put forth thine hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face.

Why did God not create harmony on earth?

Why would God create disease?

Because, He is God and you aren't.

Why did God make us sinners? Why not bypass original sin, and create a harmonious utopia where everything is understood of God and creation, and we can live without confusion?

And deny our free will?

Why would a loving God create so many beings to suffer for ALL OF ETERNITY.

Because He is jealous and until 2000 years ago, He required blood sacrifice. Why wouldn't He make people suffer eternally, but ours is not to question, ours is to OBEY.

Wouldn't that be part of his making? Wouldn't he know countless beings would suffer for all eternity for being how he made them?

Of course He does. Here's the thing, God makes certain people to send them to hell.

2 Thessalonians 2:11-13 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: My favorite verse in the bible(KJV)

Why wouldn't God just give all creations a connection to the holy spirit?

He has. Think of everybody as radios. Just because you're not tuned into the station doesn't mean you can't pick it up.

There are distinct contradictions in the beliefs I see here. Some major problems at least. Maybe you can clear some up for me.

I don't see any contradictions. Can you elaborate?

WHY did God create Satan.... And why did he not just purge his soul of existing once he turned on him???

We don't know why exactly, but it's really not important. The book of Isaiah tells us that God creates both the light and the darkness, evil and good. So I'm sure He has his reasons. And if you read the book of Job, it's clearly a test between God and Satan, so perhaps you can look at evil as a test for your soul.

Why did God not create harmony on earth?

Because harmony is reserved for Heaven. Why give harmony to everybody on Earth, even the worst sinners? Are you saying Hitler should've been able to live in harmony?

Why would God create disease?

To punish the wicked.

Why did God make us sinners? Why not bypass original sin, and create a harmonious utopia where everything is understood of God and creation, and we can live without confusion?

What you're describing is Heaven, right there. The thing is, it's not on Earth. God didn't make us sinners, Adam did. We are born of original sin and thus need Jesus Christ to cleanse us of that sin.

Why would a loving God create so many beings to suffer for ALL OF ETERNITY. Wouldn't that be part of his making? Wouldn't he know countless beings would suffer for all eternity for being how he made them? Thats his fault if they end up in hell as I see it(if the belief is true). It would be his fault they suffer for eternity. And thats a pretty big mistake... If even just one being experiences that. I do not wish hell for even beings who have tortured me hundreds of times... I do not think this is how it really is... Its just built in to my soul to reject that...

Hell is a punishment. Does that mean if you punish someone you don't love them? Say your kid comes home from school and he's been smoking pot. Do you think you should turn a blind eye and ignore it? Of course not. You punish them. And yet, it doesn't make you "unloving" at all. You are a loving parent.

Think of Hell as being grounded, except it's for life and you're burned alive.

Why not just create angels to explain the truth to beings all over the place in an undisputable fashion?

An irrelevant point. See, angels did explain the truth to people....Gabriel came down and told Mary she would bear Jesus. So God does use angels to get his message around. But what you're asking relates to what I was saying earlier. If He did that, then EVERYBODY would be a believer, but it wouldn't require faith.

Think about doubting Thomas. In the Bible, after Jesus was resurrected, Thomas didn't believe that Jesus came back so he touched the wounds in his hands. Was Thomas the most blessed disciple? Of course not.

Why is God covert with his body? Where does God reside? My name is where God resides(if there is one). The Omniverse.

God is everywhere.

[Omniverse]

Re: My favorite verse in the bible(KJV)

He has. Think of everybody as radios. Just because you're not tuned into the station doesn't mean you can't pick it up.

I'm curious what other spirits exist we can tap into. Is the holy spirit the only good one?

I don't see any contradictions. Can you elaborate?

I have found many in peoples interpretations of the bible. But I suppose most of them were 'cherry picking' christians. I have also heard in other versions of the bible(not KJV) there are much more contradiction. And they covered those up or 'God edited them' in the KJV.

We don't know why exactly, but it's really not important. The book of Isaiah tells us that God creates both the light and the darkness, evil and good. So I'm sure He has his reasons. And if you read the book of Job, it's clearly a test between God and Satan, so perhaps you can look at evil as a test for your soul.

This is the first time I have detected universal wisdom I have found in my experiences with extraterrestrials in what people speak here, at least a distinct one. They told me the universe was designed with balance in mind. That "without bad, there is no good. Without knowing hot, we cannot differentiate cold." Something an angel I speak to says she will offer you right now, is the philosophy that MAY be what God's is(she knows, but I dont get told everything by this angel). She says for you:

"Maybe part of why negative is designed into existence is to give you something to base your experiences in heaven on. Something to compare it to, to be thankful for not having once you are in the gates of heaven. To make heaven more heavenly. Duality is also part of choosing which side you sponsor. And deigned intentionally for many reasons, one being positive and negative have ways of molding a consciousness into a unique being."

If I could pick a structurally sound metaphor of how you view unsaved trash or brown people, I view people who choose the dark side. I see them as the bane of humanity. Traitors to humanity exist. Ones who interact with 'Satan' or demons and conspire with them(I have suspicions the US government and CHinese governments have had dealings with "Demons", and at times do their bidding knowing it's bad for humanity. If I could call someone an 'infidel', it would be those people. Not people who have a hard time believing in Jesus with no hard evidence or proof.


I do like how you are able to say you don't know too. Some people are not capable of admitting they don't know.

Because harmony is reserved for Heaven. Why give harmony to everybody on Earth, even the worst sinners? Are you saying Hitler should've been able to live in harmony?

I believe all beings with a consciousness should have optimally good lives. Some of some beings natures, in my humble view, should be suppressed, but that doesn't mean they should suffer beyond what would be a lesson in the mode of changing that being. Like if the only thing that makes someone happy is hurting other people. That person should not have bliss based on that coding. But in general I would rather exist in a place where all beings are happy, and cared for.

Optimally if I was God I would not have made the universe this dark. But I am nowhere near as wise as to be able to make decisions for a whole universe or planet. It's something the "Angels" have taught me. To be humble in thinking my views are so right they should be universal, when I am but one of a countless amount of beings in this universe.

To punish the wicked.

That's fine and dandy. I don't think most Buddhists are wicked personally. In fact I've never met a mean one. Also, forever? Bit harsh IMHO.

What you're describing is Heaven, right there. The thing is, it's not on Earth. God didn't make us sinners, Adam did. We are born of original sin and thus need Jesus Christ to cleanse us of that sin.

Are you suggesting Adam did something that God did not intend or foresee for us?

Hell is a punishment. Does that mean if you punish someone you don't love them? Say your kid comes home from school and he's been smoking pot. Do you think you should turn a blind eye and ignore it? Of course not. You punish them. And yet, it doesn't make you "unloving" at all. You are a loving parent.

Think of Hell as being grounded, except it's for life and you're burned alive.

Would you send a loved one to ETERNAL SUFFERING FOREVER, as a punishment? That is too severe of a punishment IMO. Someone who is a good person, but just confused on some things?? Doesn't seem right to me.

An irrelevant point. See, angels did explain the truth to people....Gabriel came down and told Mary she would bear Jesus. So God does use angels to get his message around. But what you're asking relates to what I was saying earlier. If He did that, then EVERYBODY would be a believer, but it wouldn't require faith.

Why not make everyone a believer? Why not make your presence known?

God is everywhere.

That is possible. But where was he before he created our universe?

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: My favorite verse in the bible(KJV)

Frankly I can't believe the Lizard Whisperer™ is still at it, but nevertheless I will counter some of his nonsense.

I'm curious what other spirits exist we can tap into. Is the holy spirit the only good one?

It's "Holy Spirit" you disrespectful, disingenuous heathen.

I have found many in peoples interpretations of the bible. But I suppose most of them were 'cherry picking' christians. I have also heard in other versions of the bible(not KJV) there are much more contradiction. And they covered those up or 'God edited them' in the KJV.

Yes, many hell-bound people have "interpreted" the Bible. If they would simply READ it and FOLLOW it they might have a chance at REDEMPTION and ETERNAL SALVATION.

This is the first time I have detected universal wisdom I have found in my experiences with extraterrestrials in what people speak here, at least a distinct one. They told me

Whoa, I had to stop reading at the part where a gila monster was giving you advice!

I do like how you are able to say you don't know too. Some people are not capable of admitting they don't know.

Please tell me you can taste the delicious irony in your statement.

But in general I would rather exist in a place where all beings are happy, and cared for.

YOU DO! But there are many (yourself included) who cast off the very things that will guide you and warm you and feed you and SAVE you. It's utterly insane.

Optimally if I was God

Whoa, whoa, whoa, blasphemer! What are you THINKING?

I don't think most Buddhists are wicked personally.

So, you're claiming that the ones who lit themselves on fire to protest our selfless protection of the Vietnamese from Godless Communism™ weren't wicked?

Would you send a loved one to ETERNAL SUFFERING FOREVER, as a punishment?

No, but God would, and I have absolutely no problem with that.

YiC,

The Vicar