[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Is this an interesting place?

Yes, verses 16-18, in particular, do seem to be very clear. It's not our desire or anything that we do that matters. It all depends on what God decides.

That seems to settle the matter.

Hmm. There doesn't seem to be anything left to talk about.

Tell the Turks everything is solid here, sir.

[Jedediah]

Re: Is this an interesting place?

Yes, verses 16-18, in particular, do seem to be very clear. It's not our desire or anything that we do that matters. It all depends on what God decides.

That seems to settle the matter.

Hmm. There doesn't seem to be anything left to talk about.

So are you ready to accept Jesus Christ as your personal LORD and Savior now???

Jesus will be so pleased with us!!!

Luke 15:7
I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

[EveningStarNM]

Re: Is this an interesting place?

More like when we read. There are too many false Christians running around out there who are willing to forsake the Bible's important lessons about such things as homosexuality, in favor for what they think God wants from them. They substitute that voice over Bible study.

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

You just got done saying:

There is no free will. There is only what God decides. Only those who are predestined get into Heaven.

The decision has already been made. We can't decide. "There is only what God decides". We have no free will. I have no free will to decide to obey or to disobey God. "There is only what God decides."

What's more, absolutely no one can be "willing to forsake the Bible's important lessons" because no one has any will with which to be willing.

I'm not going to argue about it. You want to have it both ways.

No.

[EveningStarNM]

Re: Is this an interesting place?

So are you ready to accept Jesus Christ as your personal LORD and Savior now???

Jesus will be so pleased with us!!!

Luke 15:7
I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

I'm sorry, but I came here to try to understand what you folks were saying. But then Pastor Sampson said that we have no free will and that only what God decides matters. Then he said that we can "will" to ignore the Bible, and now you want me to decide to accept Jesus Christ as my "savior".

And no one has explained to me why I would need to. I'm convinced that I don't need to.

Romans 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

And THEN he had the nerve to give me an infraction for "Twisting Scripture to make it sound internally contradictory" when it was HE who was being contradictory. I didn't say that the Bible contradicted itself. I said that HE contradicted HIMSELF. Besides, folks around here seem to be pretty unfriendly, and I'm getting pretty darned tired of all of these infractions that people are giving me. I won't say that my experience here hasn't been useful or beneficial to me, because it has.

I am VERY glad that I came here. I mean that sincerely. I wish you all well, and success in your endeavors.

Thank you very much.

And if someone sees Sister Pamela around, please tell her that she is my newest hero. I hope that she is safe and well.



Now, I have to get back to work.

[Bible Student]

Re: Is this an interesting place?

Well, for that matter I "might" be an angel sent here to test you. However, I am neither one of those things. I'm just another flesh and blood human being born to a mother and father who, themselves, were born to mothers and fathers. In fact, my mother has spent a lot of her retirement researching our lineage, and she's found that we've descended from other human beings for at least 430 years. So I'm pretty confident that only human mothers and fathers are in my ancestry or were involved in my conception.

Exactly how many mothers and fathers do you think were involved in your conception? Usually it is one of each.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Is this an interesting place?

The decision has already been made. We can't decide. "There is only what God decides". We have no free will. I have no free will to decide to obey or to disobey God. "There is only what God decides."

What's more, absolutely no one can be "willing to forsake the Bible's important lessons" because no one has any will with which to be willing.

I'm not going to argue about it. You want to have it both ways.

No.

We have a will, just not a free one. You can make decisions, but only the decisions that you are predestined to make. If you are not predestined to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, then you are predestined for Hell. Get it?