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Originally posted by napa valley nan
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Now I do understand what she is saying (she's said it often enough!) but cannot agree with her because what she says contradicts The Bible. I understand what she thinks and that she would like to post something here that would persuade others to her "world view" i.e. one in which the divinity does not want to kill all homosexuals, or perhaps one in which there is no divinity at all; at any rate it is a world in which homosexuals are not perverts and are equal in every way, a world where their belief systems are respected and their contribution to society is valued. The culture associated with homosexual lifestyles would not be differentiated in any way from "the mainstream" because it would be a part of the mainstream.
The Bible presents a very different world. I would imagine that even the most rabid of academic atheists (a Dawkins, say, or a Hitchins)
would understand that BIBLE BELIEVING Christians BELIEVE THE BIBLE just as we understand that a
DARWIN BELIEVING evolutionist BELIEVES DARWIN or a
TROTSKYITE communist BELIEVES TROTSKY.
NVN does not understand that.
Nevertheless I will post some of what The Bible does say. God hates homosexuals. He does not regard their contribution to society as valid and furthermore regards any society in which homosexuals flourish as an abomination. Perhaps NVN thinks "abomination" means "caring and sensitive" (even though it is a noun)?
HERE IS A DICTIONARY DEFINITION:
1 anything abominable; anything greatly disliked or abhorred.
2 intense aversion or loathing; detestation
3 a vile, shameful, or detestable action, condition, habit, etc.
2 intense aversion or loathing; detestation
3 a vile, shameful, or detestable action, condition, habit, etc.
HERE'S ANOTHER ONE
1 something abominable
2 extreme disgust and hatred : loathing
2 extreme disgust and hatred : loathing
“although once common, torture is now an abomination to the civilized peoples of the earth”
God is VERY VERY clear on the subject of homosexuals. They are perverts, they are abominations, they are disgusting filth and they are going to Hell.
LEVITICUS 18
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankinde, as with womankinde: it is abomination.
23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast, to defile thy selfe therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie downe thereto: It is confusion.
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Now homosexuality may be legal in some countries. Bestiality generally is not. But whatever legal status a perversion might enjoy does not alter what The Bible says. Sodomy is worse then gang raping virgins.
GENESIS 19
4 But before they lay downe, the men of the citie, euen the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and yong, all the people from euery quarter.
5 And they called vnto Lot, and said vnto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out vnto vs, that we may know them.
6 And Lot went out at the doore vnto them, & shut the doore after him,
7 And said, I pray you, brethren, doe not so wickedly.
8 Behold now, I haue two daughters, which haue not knowen man; let mee, I pray you, bring them out vnto you, and doe ye to them, as is good in your eyes: onely vnto these men do nothing: for therefore came they vnder the shadow of my roofe.
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The Bible tells us that Lot was a just man II PETER 2:7 and his behaviour is contrasted with that of the Sodomites whose behaviour is described as wicked [verse 8 (above)].
Similarly in Judges, gang rape is presented as preferable to homosexuality:
JUDGES 19
22 Now as they were making their hearts merrie, behold, the men of the citie, certaine sonnes of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the doore, and spake to the master of the house, the olde man, saying; Bring foorth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.
23 And the man, the master of the house, went out vnto them, and said vnto them, Nay my brethren, nay, I pray you doe not so wickedly; seeing that this man is come into mine house, doe not this folly.
24 Behold, here is my daughter, a maiden, and his concubine, them I wil bring out now, and humble yee them, and doe with them what seemeth good vnto you: but vnto this man doe not so vile a thing.
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Notice how God is consistent? Women are excluded neither from this depravity nor from God's condemnation:
ROMANS 1
24 Wherefore God also gaue them vp to vncleannesse, through the lusts of their owne hearts, to dishonour their owne bodies betweene themselues:
25 Who changed the trueth of God into a lye, and worshipped and serued the creature more then the Creatour, who is blessed for euer. Amen.
26 For this cause God gaue them vp vnto vile affections: for euen their women did change the naturall vse into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leauing the naturall vse of the woman, burned in their lust one towards another, men with men working that which is vnseemely, and receiuing in themselues that recompense of their errour which was meet.
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Those people did not become perverts because God liked them but because He had abandoned them, just as He has abandoned Nan and her pervert daughter. There are many passages that have been quoted to NVN but she just does not get it.
We are BIBLE BELIEVING Christians. We BELIEVE THE BIBLE.
NVN, we will never believe you.
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