[Redeemed Papist]

Re: My study on logical fallacies.

Then I answered correctly, if not completely? Thank you.

Do you live for the opportunity to vex people?

God will not be mocked. But if you do mock Him anyway you burn forever.

[Didymus Much]

Re: My study on logical fallacies.

. . . and yet you're using it in answer to OP's question, "what would you do if you found a non-Christian in your neighborhood". . .

Then I answered correctly, if not completely? Thank you.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: My study on logical fallacies.

Nor did I ever claim such. But an oath taken by ALL of the true believers of God of the time, then printed in a book that claims to be 100% profitable for instruction in righteousness, does seem to have been given more weight than "oh, it's just a nice story for the kids".

. . . and yet you're using it in answer to OP's question, "what would you do if you found a non-Christian in your neighborhood".

Being deliberately obtuse is not the same as either debating or discussing.

[Didymus Much]

Re: My study on logical fallacies.

...An account of an oath voluntarily taken by particular people does not bind every human to that oath...

Nor did I ever claim such. But an oath taken by ALL of the true believers of God of the time, then printed in a book that claims to be 100% profitable for instruction in righteousness, does seem to have been given more weight than "oh, it's just a nice story for the kids".

I'm also surprised that all of the other times I've mentioned this Scripture, with my interpretation being at least heavily implied if not clearly stated, no Landover pastor has taken exception? They seem happy to admit that they would really like to honor and follow God's wishes to the letter (ie. kill all unbelievers where found), but have their hands presently tied by secular legislation.

Which other parts of the Bible that you tell your congregation to ignore?

...Are you next going to suggest that Acts 2 requires all Christians to be Communists, because the apostles shared their goods?...

Next time there's an inane thread in desperate need of derailing, I'll keep that one in mind.

[tomasespensen]

Re: My study on logical fallacies.

Bible says: 2 Chronicles 15:13 "That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman."

Dead Didymus, No matter how often i can agree with your opinion, and no matter how often i aswell disagree with you, i must say that here you crossed the line !!!

I am as most know former Christian, turned to the other side.... Or lost.... or whatever you will call it.

HOWEVER i have NOT recived any death treath, i am indeed still alive, i get a few negative responses here and there, but what i foremost experiance is the fact that theese nice people try to teach me and convince me, not by treath me (well they say i will burn in hell, but this i take more as a promise, and its from God and not them !!)

What you are doing is saying that theese people is ready to kill you if you dont believe in their God..... May I inform you (even that you have been on theese bords longer than me) that this is not moohslimes that will force you to believe in God by force, theese people will explain to you, they will help you, they will retry and retry, but at the end of the day, they will let the decition be up to you;

Will you belive in God and become saved
Or
Will you NOT belive in God and become punished.

They explain it to you, BUT the choise is yours...

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: My study on logical fallacies.

If it doesn't apply to anyone aside from those gathered there at that time, why is it in the Bible? Why have they been wasting paper in the KJV for four hundred years?

Are you saying some scripture is not profitable for instruction in righteousness?

Unless the point of the Scripture quoted is that there is no random Scripture.

Also known as "Christian discernment", that baffling ability of otherwise intelligent people to delude themselves into the fantasy that an unproveable Being powerful enough to create this universe in its wondrous complexity would give a shit when they lost their piffling car keys or whether they make that touchdown pass or especially where they choose to stick their Johnsons (consenting adults only, of course). Yup, I ain't got that.

I don't recall agreeing that? When I was talking about the "Jews and other Bible believers", I meant those who would be responsible for enforcing the death sentence for all non-believers (frankly, your talk about the "state of the Midianites" just confused me; your knowledge on that subject is probably far greater than mine but I don't claim to be a Reverend on the internet).

As to who would be condemned by this Scripture, I see no reason for limiting it to apostates (those who forsake their religion). In the "those who would not seek" wording I see the implication that the opportunity to seek the Lord God of Israel must be offered, but nothing that says it must be accepted and then rejected before execution is Biblicly justified.

This is getting tiresome.

An account of an oath voluntarily taken by particular people does not bind every human to that oath, any more than Jepthah's oath to sacrifice the first thing leaving his home after his great victory binds every human to do the same.

Are you next going to suggest that Acts 2 requires all Christians to be Communists, because the apostles shared their goods?

Acts 2: 44-45

44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

You 'reach' more than Richard Simmons.

[Didymus Much]

Re: My study on logical fallacies.

...I didn't say the Scripture was wrong. The verse describes an oath taken. It's explaining an event. It doesn't say the oath taken applies to anyone other than those who swore it...

If it doesn't apply to anyone aside from those gathered there at that time, why is it in the Bible? Why have they been wasting paper in the KJV for four hundred years?

Are you saying some scripture is not profitable for instruction in righteousness?

...Throwing out random Scripture isn't going to prove any point, atheist...

Unless the point of the Scripture quoted is that there is no random Scripture.

...Unelss your point is that you lack understanding...

Also known as "Christian discernment", that baffling ability of otherwise intelligent people to delude themselves into the fantasy that an unproveable Being powerful enough to create this universe in its wondrous complexity would give a shit when they lost their piffling car keys or whether they make that touchdown pass or especially where they choose to stick their Johnsons (consenting adults only, of course). Yup, I ain't got that.

...You've already agreed that the death sentence only applies to apostates...

I don't recall agreeing that? When I was talking about the "Jews and other Bible believers", I meant those who would be responsible for enforcing the death sentence for all non-believers (frankly, your talk about the "state of the Midianites" just confused me; your knowledge on that subject is probably far greater than mine but I don't claim to be a Reverend on the internet).

As to who would be condemned by this Scripture, I see no reason for limiting it to apostates (those who forsake their religion). In the "those who would not seek" wording I see the implication that the opportunity to seek the Lord God of Israel must be offered, but nothing that says it must be accepted and then rejected before execution is Biblicly justified.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: My study on logical fallacies.

2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

And?

I didn't say the Scripture was wrong. The verse describes an oath taken. It's explaining an event. It doesn't say the oath taken applies to anyone other than those who swore it.

Throwing out random Scripture isn't going to prove any point, atheist. Unelss your point is that you lack understanding.

You've already agreed that the death sentence only applies to apostates, so we're in agreement. Once you've reached agreement, it's time to stop arguing.

[Didymus Much]

Re: My study on logical fallacies.

Please show me where the Bible says that a voluntary oath taken by pre-Christian Jews is part of the God-given LAW; that is, a Commandment of God...

2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: My study on logical fallacies.

Matthew 5:18 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Please show me where the Bible says that a voluntary oath taken by pre-Christian Jews is part of the God-given LAW; that is, a Commandment of God.

I said Jews and believers of the Bible, not non-believers.

Which means at most that it applies to apostates, and is therefore identical to the condition of the Midianites. Apostates, not non-Christians. (Not that you've shown that the oath of pre-Christian Jews is binding on Gentiles, of course.)

So the 2 Chronicles verse does not apply to the question asked by the OP, what a True Christian(tm) would do if he found a non-Christian living in his neighborhood.

Thank you for supporting my position!

You atheists sure are entertaining! You work so hard to make the Bible look ridiculous, and instead make yourselves look the fool with your cherry-picking.

[Didymus Much]

Re: My study on logical fallacies.

Please show me where the Bible says that Gentiles are bound by the oaths of pre-Christian Jews.

Matthew 5:18 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

...Then, please show me where the Bible says that non-believers are bound by the oaths of pre-Christian Jews...

I said Jews and believers of the Bible, not non-believers.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: My study on logical fallacies.

Therefore that oath applies to all Jews and other believers of the Bible.

Please show me where the Bible says that Gentiles are bound by the oaths of pre-Christian Jews.

Then, please show me where the Bible says that non-believers are bound by the oaths of pre-Christian Jews. I'd suggest that all the instruction about how to treat 'strangers among you' (note: not execute them) would pretty well contradict the very idea that such bondage occurs, but I'm happy to see any evidence to the contrary you might wish to present.

Thanks!

[Didymus Much]

Re: My study on logical fallacies.

...That is an agreement/voluntary oath made among a particular group, the tribes of Judah and Benjamin, not a command to kill all nonbelievers...

What you call the "tribe" of Judah was actually the nation of Judah, which during Asa's reign encompassed the southern half of what most people would consider the Israel of the time.

2 Chronicles 14 mentions Asa raising an army of 300 thousand out of Judah, and 280 thousand out of "Benjamin". If we assume that the Benjamin referred to there is the Kingdom of Israel, which was the northern half of what most people would refer to as the Israel of the time, so when Asa gathers "all Judah and Benjamin" he's gathering all of the Jews of the time. Therefore that oath applies to all Jews and other believers of the Bible.


Map of the region in the 9th century BCE

...As Christians living in a Godless nation, we True Christians™ follow the law of the land -- as God commands. Slaughtering nonbelievers is not permitted in the US of A...

At this time. The fact that 2 Chronicles 15:12 is held in temporary abeyance by laws worldwide does not remove that obligation from His Eternal and Unchanging Word now, does it, Reverend?

...BUT!...I have no doubt that we will treat nonbelievers as Moses treated the Midianites. ...

What, were the angels of the Lord busy that day? Or all tuckered out from previous ventures:

Exodus 23:23 "For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off. "

[Zechariah Smyth]

I will soon get my degree in psychology, and I wanted to research fallacies. Looking at a few posts, I find that this is the best place for testing. I will ask a few questions. Also, imply that a nihilist is asking you these question.
1. How do you know that god exists?
2. Would you believe anything in the bible and take every word literally?
3. What if you are presented with 100 contradictions in the bible that could only be written by human greed?
4. If there was a nonbeliever living in your 100% christian neighborhood, what would you do?

Which school? Who is the professor teaching that class? Contact info? What is the exact title of your thesis?
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[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: My study on logical fallacies.

I will soon get my degree in psychology, and I wanted to research fallacies. Looking at a few posts, I find that this is the best place for testing. I will ask a few questions. Also, imply that a nihilist is asking you these question.
1. How do you know that god exists?
2. Would you believe anything in the bible and take every word literally?
3. What if you are presented with 100 contradictions in the bible that could only be written by human greed?
4. If there was a nonbeliever living in your 100% christian neighborhood, what would you do?

This section of the forum is called the INTRODUCTION section, not the "Look at me, I'm so cool because I'm snarky at Christians" section.

If you want to debate people, THIS is the place to go.

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.