[JustinSane]

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I am not a god hater at all. Not even an Atheist, I just dont believe in your god. Im here for fun. It is entertaining to hear what you have to say

[Didymus Much]

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Alright, evidence for his existence as a historical figure: Pliny the Younger, Tacitus, Josephus,...

You claimed indisputable sources. All of those sources are disputed (except among Christian "scholars"), due to the very fact that none of them are eyewitness accounts. Add the fact that no originals remain of any of these, only much later copies of copies of copies...

Pliny and Tacitus don't even mention Jesus himself, only "Christians".

As for Josephus? Well, "Scholars have differing opinions on the total or partial authenticity of the reference in Book 18, Chapter 3, 3 of the Antiquities to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate, a passage usually called the Testimonium Flavianum.[10][1] The general scholarly view is that while the Testimonium Flavianum is most likely not authentic in its entirety, it is broadly agreed upon that it originally consisted of an authentic nucleus with a reference to the execution of Jesus by Pilate which was then subject to Christian interpolation..." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus)

Do you expect Christians to be unbiased? I don't.

...the Dead Sea Scrolls, the 27 books of the new testament authored by different sources...

I thought you weren't going to use the Bible?

...and of course the Gnostic texts that have occurred...

I wouldn't trust a Gnostic text on how to tie my shoelaces. I probably wouldn't even understand a Gnostic text on how to tie my shoelaces.

... He is better documented than Cleopatra or Aristotle. As far as historians go, that is as indisputable as it gets...

No one is claiming divinity for Cleopatra or Aristotle. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and you've shown none.

...Now on to the term Christ. I give him that name because it is a part of his name...

Then why does every reference I've checked say it's a TITLE?

...It is simple entomology, all last names come from titles and epithets...

Please learn the difference between etymology and entomology before you use that big word again.

[James Hutchins]

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Oh, yes we are robots, my friend. The human mind is just a very advanced computer. It uses electrical impulses to generate ideas and movement. We are just carbon based while the ones we create are based off of differing metals. Why dont your read the argument first, and dispute it point-counterpoint style rather than use blanket statements like it's stupid.
Second, I discovered this idea long before I read Hume. He wrote it first, so of course it is only fair he get the credit, but I came to the same conclusion he did before I read his work. I made it up, I just was not the first.

Friend, you certainly seem to be troubled and unduly influenced by the mad rantings of a few deluded authors. Let's take it slow and see where this stems from.
Why do you hate God, meaning insist on denying His significance to the point of being on a no fly list? Tell me, did you go to secular college and get raped by your psych professor? Did you experience a homersexual situation where you could of said ;no' but did not because you 'wanted to experiment'?
I care about you friend, we all do.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Alright, evidence for his existence as a historical figure: Pliny the Younger, Tacitus, Josephus, the Dead Sea Scrolls, the 27 books of the new testament authored by different sources and of course the Gnostic texts that have occurred.

I detect the remains of Faith in your righteous citing of the sources upon which we True Christian(tm) rely. Were any of those sources contemporaneous with Our Lord, Faith would not be required, but Faith is what we must have.

I personally think it is good to have a Mystery and this is the greatest and Godliest one, it allows us to engage Atheists and others who would deny the historicity of Jesus.

[James Hutchins]

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I am not a god hater at all. Not even an Atheist, I just dont believe in your god. Im here for fun. It is entertaining to hear what you have to say

Whose God do you belive in? By the way, we do not 'own God' rather He 'owns us, even you'.
Entertaining to hear us? What ever do you mean? We are here to help you see the Truth about Jesus.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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I am not a god hater at all. Not even an Atheist, I just dont believe in your god. Im here for fun. It is entertaining to hear what you have to say

"Atheist" is not a proper noun; it should not be capitalized except in a title or at the beginning of a sentence. "God", on the other hand, is, when used to reference God.

. . . and this site isn't here for your amusement. It's here for us to praise Jesus together, and share with those who wish to learn of Him.

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

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Oh, yes we are robots, my friend. The human mind is just a very advanced computer. It uses electrical impulses to generate ideas and movement. We are just carbon based while the ones we create are based off of differing metals. Why dont your read the argument first, and dispute it point-counterpoint style rather than use blanket statements like it's stupid.
Second, I discovered this idea long before I read Hume. He wrote it first, so of course it is only fair he get the credit, but I came to the same conclusion he did before I read his work. I made it up, I just was not the first.

Please show me the scripture that says we're robots. And I did read your blasphemous link. What, did you think I'd immediately give up my faith based on that? C'mon, I'm not that stupid.

Also, thinking of something after somebody else wrote it isn't making it up. You sound kinda smart sometimes, but then you say some stuff that is totally stupid. Why is that? I bet it has to do with hating Jesus.

[Levi Jones]

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Okay, time for a quick introduction. First of all, I am 19, male, and currently residing in Atlanta. I was born in rural Kentucky and graduated high school in Knoxville, Tennessee. I was raised southern baptist and am now attending a methodist university. I have read the bible more times than I am able to count and was saved when I was around 12-13.

So far so good.

I attended my church three times a week, more when there were special occasions, and was nearly done with earning the Timothy award from AWANA (for those who dont know, the award is for children who have memorized the bible in its entirety, broken into sections) until they changed the system and i was forced to restart.

My son has won many great awards from AWANA's. It's a top notch organization. Much better than those fag coddling boy scouts.

And that should be all of the things that you will be pleased about. I lost any and all faith in the christian doctrine around my 14th birthday and have yet to be swayed from that opinion. Generally, I am better versed in the Bible than the ministers who attempted to convert me and have yet to lose a debate on the topic.

Such a shame. You're just rebelling against God. You'll be back into the fold soon enough I would wager.

I am a bleeding-heart liberal, as i like to believe Christ was (who is an inarguable historic figure).

That dabbling in the mental disease of liberalism is precisely where we lose so many people. They think Jesus was all hugs, sharing and being touchy feely, when nothing could be further from the truth. It's usually when they are your age is when that sort of thing happens. Once they get older and have read Atlas Shrugged, they get right with the GOP and the GOD.

Matthew 26:6-10 Now when Jesus was in Bethany, in the house of Simon the leper, There came unto him a woman having an alabaster box of very precious ointment, and poured it on his head, as he sat at meat.
But when his disciples saw it, they had indignation, saying, To what purpose is this waste?
For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor.
When Jesus understood it, he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me.
For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.

Blah, blah, blah. I hate Jesus and want to spit in His face all the time so much!

Yeah, we get that, Nancy.

On one hand you believe in a historical Jesus who was a radical hippie. On the other, you don't follow anything of what He said. We get it.

[JustinSane]

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You claimed indisputable sources. All of those sources are disputed (except among Christian "scholars"), due to the very fact that none of them are eyewitness accounts. Add the fact that no originals remain of any of these, only much later copies of copies of copies...

Pliny and Tacitus don't even mention Jesus himself, only "Christians".

As for Josephus? Well, "Scholars have differing opinions on the total or partial authenticity of the reference in Book 18, Chapter 3, 3 of the Antiquities to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate, a passage usually called the Testimonium Flavianum.[10][1] The general scholarly view is that while the Testimonium Flavianum is most likely not authentic in its entirety, it is broadly agreed upon that it originally consisted of an authentic nucleus with a reference to the execution of Jesus by Pilate which was then subject to Christian interpolation..." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus)

Do you expect Christians to be unbiased? I don't.



I thought you weren't going to use the Bible?



I wouldn't trust a Gnostic text on how to tie my shoelaces. I probably wouldn't even understand a Gnostic text on how to tie my shoelaces.



No one is claiming divinity for Cleopatra or Aristotle. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and you've shown none.



Then why does every reference I've checked say it's a TITLE?



Please learn the difference between etymology and entomology before you use that big word again.

The point i was making was that he was a person. This is not under dispute. I have never even heard rumor of a respected historian disputing he walked the earth. There are countless references to him, more than almost any other historic figure of the time. I am not trying to prove his divinity (that is most certainly under dispute). Nothing in history is able to be proven empirically, except for broad things like battles and cities (which could be argued against by conspiracy theorists). However, it is reasonable to believe that someone did live if they are directly referenced by hundreds of other sources. No one disputes this.
Second, a title is a part of a name. I did not say it was his cognomen, it doesn't pass from father to son, but it is a part of what he was called and therefore part of his name.
Finally, dont get so butt hurt over a homonym. Spelling is by far my weakest point, and if spell check will give me an answer, I'm going with it. This isnt a peer reviewed report. Its a forum post. I know what the word means, have used it for years now, I just cant spell to save my life.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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I am not a god hater at all. Not even an Atheist, I just dont believe in your god. Im here for fun.

What are you, a damned joo? Did satan send you?

[JustinSane]

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What are you, a damned joo? Did satan send you?

*Jew

and no, the technical name for it is Deist. "Notable Founding Fathers may have been more directly deist. These include James Madison, possibly Alexander Hamilton, Ethan Allen,[44] and Thomas Paine." (wikipedia) Along with Washington, Franklin, and Jefferson

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

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The point i was making was that He was a person. This is not under dispute. I have never even heard rumor of a respected historian disputing He walked the earth. There are countless references to Him, more than almost any other historic figure of the time. I am not trying to prove His divinity (that is most certainly under dispute). Nothing in history is able to be proven empirically, except for broad things like battles and cities (which could be argued against by conspiracy theorists). However, it is reasonable to believe that someone did live if They are directly referenced by hundreds of other sources. No one disputes this.
Second, a title is a part of a name. I did not say it was His cognomen, it doesn't pass from father to son, but it is a part of what He was called and therefore part of His name.
Finally, dont get so butt hurt over a homonym. Spelling is by far my weakest point, and if spell check will give me an answer, I'm going with it. This isnt a peer reviewed report. Its a forum post. I know what the word means, have used it for years now, I just cant spell to save my life.

First, please show some respect for our Lord here while you're here on our forum.

Second, entomology is the study of bugs. Jesus is not a bug friend. And etymology and entomology don't sound the same either. Just admit your stupid mistake and move on.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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*Jew

and no, the technical name for it is Deist. "Notable Founding Fathers may have been more directly deist. These include James Madison, possibly Alexander Hamilton, Ethan Allen,[44] and Thomas Paine." (wikipedia) Along with Washington, Franklin, and Jefferson

More lies. The founding fathers of America (God's favorite country) were all Christians. This is common knowledge.

By the way, this is a Christian forum. Unaved NOT welcome.

[Didymus Much]

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The point i was making was that he was a person. This is not under dispute. I have never even heard rumor of a respected historian disputing he walked the earth. There are countless references to him, more than almost any other historic figure of the time...

The point I was trying to make is that there are NO contemporary references to Him. None. Every record (even the earliest Gospels) are from at least 30 years after (which at that time was close to two generations, ie. someone's grandchildren heard something and wrote it down).

But I'm not going to convince you, and that's ok. We all have to make up our own minds about what evidence to accept. What I don't understand is your insistence on proof, which is anathema to faith. The True Christians™ here believe the Bible is God's truth, and that's good enough for them. You, on the other hand, are convinced that there is evidence that Jesus was real, yet you reject His teachings out of hand. How does that work?

...However, it is reasonable to believe that someone did live if they are directly referenced by hundreds of other sources. No one disputes this...

You're right. Hercules was real.

...Finally, dont get so butt hurt over a homonym...

It's not a homonym. There's no "n" in etymology.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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The point i was making was that he was a person. This is not under dispute. I have never even heard rumor of a respected historian disputing he walked the earth. There are countless references to him, more than almost any other historic figure of the time. I am not trying to prove his divinity (that is most certainly under dispute). Nothing in history is able to be proven empirically, except for broad things like battles and cities (which could be argued against by conspiracy theorists). However, it is reasonable to believe that someone did live if they are directly referenced by hundreds of other sources. No one disputes this.

Except Jesus is not referenced by any contemporary sources. Paul's letters are closest in time to Jesus' life (the Gospels are 60+ years after His death), but Paul never met Jesus in bodily form, just in a vision.

Hence the extensive, ongoing debate among atheists about whether Jesus was a real person, or made up (like Muhammad), or an amalgamation of multiple prophets living about the same time. A debate of which you apparently are entirely ignorant.

Second, a title is a part of a name. I did not say it was his cognomen, it doesn't pass from father to son, but it is a part of what he was called and therefore part of his name.

Actually, you did. You said it was like "Smith" in "Joe Smith". It's not.

I assume you are familiar with the UK's Prince Charles, right?

Would you consider "Prince" part of his name?

His name is Charles Philip Arthur George. "Prince" is his title.

Do you think that "President" is part of Obama's name? No. It is his title.

*Jew

and no, the technical name for it is Deist. "Notable Founding Fathers may have been more directly deist. These include James Madison, possibly Alexander Hamilton, Ethan Allen,[44] and Thomas Paine." (wikipedia) Along with Washington, Franklin, and Jefferson

Oh, so you're an agnostic. You think some kind of godlike thing maybe exists but you have no idea what it is or what it wants.

What kind of idiocy is that?