[Redeemed Papist]

Re: New to this forum. I am a Moroon and Think God is a Novelty.

just on a short note, I would like to say I definitely admire the love for Christ you people have. As much as I bet you could care less, definitely respect that of you.

So...

I've never got it.

What's the deal with the underwear?

[John Creeser]

Re: New to this forum. I am a Moroon and Think God is a Novelty.

Look chuckles, we're not here for your personal entertainment. You might think it's funny to play with your immortal soul, we don't.

It's no secret the LSD's are a cult and while you're here, I really really hope you let us convince you of such. There are NO Mormons in heaven, only True Christians ™ enter heaven. You need to accept Jesus Christ with a proper King James Version of the Bible and follow it to the letter!!

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

I *want* you to be Saved, *we* want you to be Saved.

You can start by taking off that damned underwear.

[James Hutchins]

Re: New to this forum. I am a Moroon and Think God is a Novelty.

just on a short note, I would like to say I definitely admire the love for Christ you people have. As much as I bet you could care less, definitely respect that of you.

Of course you respect us, God has selected us to do His work.
Why do you think He is a big joke, is a more important discussion. Do you really want to spend eternity in Hell, having your skin peeled from your body, excrutiatingly slowly, day after day with no end? Not me pal, I want to spend my time with Jesus, playing golf and enjoying the company of like minded men.
Read the KJV

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: New to this forum. I am a Moroon and Think God is a Novelty.

Regarding polygamy and Mormonism, this site might be an ideal resource for you.

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/understanding-polygamy-in-mormon-history.html

In part,

Hearing the defense

Why did the Latter-day Saints practice polygamy, especially when this deviation from what was considered "normal" or moral behavior so angered America's citizens and government? Here are some possible reasons, both theological and social:

• God told us to do it. Period. Most Mormons believe that although they may not understand why, the Lord chose to institute plural marriage for a brief period in the nineteenth century as the Church was becoming established. The nineteenth century Latter-day Saints felt that they were practicing plural marriage in strict obedience to God's will and that the practice was divinely inspired. In fact, Mormonism still acknowledges polygamy as a divine principle that may apply in heaven, though it's no longer in practice on the earth.

• It was part of the "restitution of all things." Mormons saw their practice of polygamy as similar to that of the patriarchs Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. They believe that their latter-day church includes, as predicted in the Bible, the "restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began" (Acts 3:21). That includes Old Testament polygamy.

• It brought the Latter-day Saints together. Polygamy made the Mormons more cohesive as a people and gave them a distinct identity. Some plural wives were family members even before marriage (two sisters marrying the same man, for example), and the bonds of marriage expanded family networks. Also, the increased persecution caused by polygamy helped the Mormons bond together even more closely as a people.

• It raised up a mighty generation. Many Mormons believe that one of the reasons the Lord may have sanctioned polygamy for a time was that it allowed the struggling Latter-day Saints to raise up a "righteous seed" of second- and third-generation Mormons to build the kingdom. Because of polygamy, Mormon families in the nineteenth century were able to obey the Lord's commandment to "be fruitful and multiply," sometimes having two or three times as many children as they may have had with only one child bearer. What's more, polygamy attached women and children to men who had made a strong commitment to the Church, because those men were the most likely to enter into plural marriage.

Busting a few myths about nineteenth century polygamy

Several enduring myths are still bandied about as people try to explain polygamy (or explain it away):

• "Mormons practiced polygamy because women on the frontier far outnumbered men, and plural marriage gave every woman a chance to have a husband." In actuality, men sometimes outnumbered women, especially in the early years of Mormon settlement. Some towns had three times as many unmarried men as women. In this marriage market of swinging Mormon singles, women had the pick of the litter.

• "Polygamy took care of older women and spinsters so they had a chance to get married." The truth is that most plural wives were younger than the first wife, so they weren't exactly spinsters rescued by polygamy. This idea was especially true in the 1850s, though as the decades passed, convincing young women to enter into plural marriage got tougher.

• "Polygamous men lived in harems and had about 20 wives each." Although a few prominent Church leaders like Brigham Young did have wives numbering into the double digits, this situation was far from the norm. Most men who entered into polygamy took only one or two additional wives. If the family could afford it, each wife had her own home or apartment.

• "Polygamy was all about sex." Not really. In fact, some of the plural marriages contracted in Utah were for eternity only, meaning that the wife would be on the man's rolls in heaven, but they would have no earthly rolls in the hay. In eternity-only marriages, conjugal relations weren't permitted, and the wife usually supported herself. In marriages for both time and eternity, the couple enjoyed conjugal relations, but the husband was bound to support his wives and any children they had.

• "Only the poorest of the poor practiced polygamy." Statistics show that most of the men who practiced polygamy in Utah were among the wealthier members of Mormon society. Supporting multiple households required a certain amount of cold, hard cash, so Church leaders were more likely to approve the marriages of men who could support additional wives. (Plural wives, though, often came from economically disadvantaged backgrounds, and plural marriage to a well-established man helped them move up the social ladder.)

[aconnors]

Re: New to this forum. I am a Moroon and Think God is a Novelty.

Wow, that's some great revisionism there, Sparky.

Care to try again? Like, say, Mormons being forced out of Eastern states BECAUSE of polygamy?

We could probably argue about this for a while. It's become all hear-say.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: New to this forum. I am a Moroon and Think God is a Novelty.

We could probably argue about this for a while. It's become all hear-say.

Not really, no.

http://www.media.utah.edu/UHE/p/POLYGAMY.html <-- official site for Utah history

When establishing the LDS Church, Joseph Smith recorded numerous revelations he claimed to receive, often in answer to questions about the Bible, which are now included in the Doctrine and Covenants, part of the LDS canon. In answer to his question as to why many of the Old Testament leaders had more than one wife, Smith received what is now known as Section 132. Although the revelation was not recorded until 1843, Smith may have received it in the 1830s and married his first plural wife, Fanny Alger, in 1835. Polygamy was not openly practiced in the Mormon Church until 1852 when Orson Pratt, an apostle, made a public speech defending it as a tenet of the church. From 1852 until 1890, Mormon Church leaders preached and encouraged members, especially those in leadership positions, to marry additional wives.

http://lds.about.com/od/basicsgospel...a/polygamy.htm

Polygamy is an issue that draws an incredible amount of attention to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Media coverage regarding polygamy, or polygamous groups, is often confusing and misleading.

The principle of plural marriage was first received by Joseph Smith through revelation in early 1831 but was not committed to writing until July 12, 1843 in Doctrine & Covenants 132. It was then practiced by a small percentage of church members until 1890 when President Wilford Woodruff, 4th president of the LDS Church, received a revelation to discontinue its practice as recorded in Official Declaration 1.

[aconnors]

Re: New to this forum. I am a Moroon and Think God is a Novelty.

Not really, no.

http://www.media.utah.edu/UHE/p/POLYGAMY.html <-- official site for Utah history

http://lds.about.com/od/basicsgospel...a/polygamy.htm

I guess it boils down to if you believe Joseph Smith to be a Prophet of God or not. I, personally, do. My main reasoning for this, is why would God provide his Children with prophets, than simply take them away. Do we not need the guidance in this day, which actually is quite more misleading and confusing than ever?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: New to this forum. I am a Moroon and Think God is a Novelty.

We could probably argue about this for a while. It's become all hear-say.

Only for those who refuse to look at the facts.



Back to the subject at hand, why do you blaspheme the LORD by pretending you will become a god yourself some day? And what is it with splitting the Holy Trinity up into three distinct persons?

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: New to this forum. I am a Moroon and Think God is a Novelty.

I guess it boils down to if you believe Joseph Smith to be a Prophet of God or not. I, personally, do. My main reasoning for this, is why would God provide his Children with prophets, than simply take them away. Do we not need the guidance in this day, which actually is quite more misleading and confusing than ever?

So if you were around in the 7th century would you have followed the prophet Mohammed for the same reason? If not why not? He had a 'further revelation'.

YIC

Jack

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: New to this forum. I am a Moroon and Think God is a Novelty.

I guess it boils down to if you believe Joseph Smith to be a Prophet of God or not. I, personally, do. My main reasoning for this, is why would God provide his Children with prophets, than simply take them away. Do we not need the guidance in this day, which actually is quite more misleading and confusing than ever?

Then if you believe Joseph Smith to be a Prophet of God, why are you trying to make up false rationalizations for polygamy (oh, there were more women . . . except there weren't!), instead of acknowledging what I have shared with you here, which says JOSEPH SMITH SAID IT WAS A REVELATION FROM GOD?

Are you really a Mormon? I'm starting to doubt it.

[James Hutchins]

Re: New to this forum. I am a Moroon and Think God is a Novelty.

I guess it boils down to if you believe Joseph Smith to be a Prophet of God or not. I, personally, do. My main reasoning for this, is why would God provide his Children with prophets, than simply take them away. Do we not need the guidance in this day, which actually is quite more misleading and confusing than ever?

Isn't the word of God as written in the Bible good enough for you? If I am still confused, I simply ask Jesus for guidance.
Should I really put my faith in some third party player? Isn't it better to get straight from the Big Guy?

[aconnors]

Re: New to this forum. I am a Moroon and Think God is a Novelty.

So if you were around in the 7th century would you have followed the prophet Mohammed for the same reason?

YIC

Jack

that's irrelevant, is Mohammed a true prophet of God? For the splitting of the Trinity, it's our way of perceiving events in the Bible. Such as “Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.” (Luke 22:42). Speaking to God as an individual, same purpose, two different beings.

[aconnors]

Re: New to this forum. I am a Moroon and Think God is a Novelty.

I'm definitely not trying to rationalize Joseph Smith's prophecy. Just a look on it now in the present. Why it was the right thing, and why it makes sense. I do read the Bible, and when it comes down to it, my scriptures are the most important thing to me. I'm just blessed enough to have God love me so that he provides us with a Prophet today, to assist in the ever changing world.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: New to this forum. I am a Moroon and Think God is a Novelty.

that's irrelevant, is Mohammed a true prophet of God?

Muslims sure seem to think so.

Go to Saudia Arabia and claim he's not to find out how serious they are about it.

Why do you believe Mohammad is NOT a true prophet, but Joseph Smith is?

For the splitting of the Trinity, it's our way of perceiving events in the Bible. Such as “Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.” (Luke 22:42). Speaking to God as an individual, same purpose, two different beings.

So then you agree that you do deny the Trinity.

Congratulations, you got one point of Mormon doctrine correct!

http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_Christian.shtml#how

Latter-day Saints believe in God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost, and believe that they are one in purpose and one in heart, but not one in substance. Recall the great prayer of Christ in John 17. There (in verse 21), Christ prayed that His followers "all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me; that they also may be one in us." In verse 22, He again prayed "that they may be one, even as we are one." In my view, this kind of oneness is a unity of purpose, intent, and heart, not a blending of substance into one being. When Christ prayed (many times) to His Father in Heaven, we believe that He was doing exactly that - communicating with His Father. Likewise, In Acts 7:55,56, before being killed by hateful critics, Stephen looked up towards heaven "and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God." He saw two Beings. Further, in the creation story in Genesis 1, God (Elohim, a plural noun) says in verse 26: "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness." We feel inclined to take that literally. (Note that the same wording is used to describe the physical similarity between Adam and one of his sons in Genesis 5:1-3; see also Heb. 1:3 and James 3:9.) Likewise, I see a similar concept in James 3:9, which says that "men ... are made after the similitude of God." I know our view goes against what most churches teach and is certainly open to debate, but taking the Bible too literally should not be sufficient cause to say we are not Christians.

And as another point, look at the bolded text above.

Mormons don't think the Bible should be taken literally. Correct? So how do Mormons know which parts to obey and which to ignore?

[aconnors]

Re: New to this forum. I am a Moroon and Think God is a Novelty.

Muslims sure seem to think so.

Go to Saudia Arabia and claim he's not to find out how serious they are about it.

Why do you believe Mohammad is NOT a true prophet, but Joseph Smith is?


So then you agree that you do deny the Trinity.

Congratulations, you got one point of Mormon doctrine correct!

http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_Christian.shtml#how

And as another point, look at the bolded text above.

Mormons don't think the Bible should be taken literally. Correct? So how do Mormons know which parts to obey and which to ignore?

Ok let's do point by point here. I believe Joseph Smith to be a true Prophet of God because I've prayed about it, and received an answer from the Holy Spirit. Galatians 5:22 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith." That's what gives me faith in today's Prophet.

Point 2, you can kind of take that out of context. I believe what is trying to be said there, which pays homage to the famous saying, "The Devil can cite scripture for his purpose" Basically, just be careful, and take the cautious steps to justify actions through any sort of scripture. Pray to know it is true, when cited by a third party.