[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: New to this forum. I am a Moroon and Think God is a Novelty.

An answer to this would be nice.

Indeed. As would an answer to this:

Would you care to tell us once again how the Book of Mormon is consistent with and works in concert with the Bible, and "does not contradict"?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: New to this forum. I am a Moroon and Think God is a Novelty.

Out of all of the religions of the world, out of all of the "prophets" who claim to hear from God and yet say incompatible things, out of all of the answered prayers in which "god" says, "Yes, this is the true religion," how do you know which to believe? Your eternal destiny depends on getting the right answer, does it not?

An answer to this would be nice.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: New to this forum. I am a Moroon and Think God is a Novelty.

have you been to the temple, no you haven't, so don't make assumptions. It's not as if it's a testament of a prophets grandson, or a random hermit from Jerusalem. It's another testament of Jesus Christ. They don't contradict.

Here's a convenient list of contradictions:

http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/bibleandbomcontradictions.htm

Here's another convenient list of completely different, and more substantive, contradictions:

http://www.irr.org/mit/bom-bible.html

Here are the first four:

1. The Book of Mormon teaches that little children are not capable of sin because they do not have a sinful nature (mormoni 8:8). In contrast, the Bible in Psalm 51:5 clearly teaches that we have sinful nature from birth: "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me" (NIV).

2. The Book of Mormon teaches that the disobedience of Adam and Eve in eating the forbidden fruit was necessary so that they could have children and bring joy to mankind (2 Nephi 2:23-25). In contrast, the Bible specifically declares that Adam’s transgression was a sinful act of rebellion that unleashed the power of sin and death in the human heart and throughout God’s perfect world (Genesis 3:16-19; Romans 5:12; 8:20-21). There is no Biblical support for the view that Adam and Eve could only fulfill the command to "be fruitful and multiply" (Genesis 1:28) by disobeying God’s command regarding the forbidden fruit (Genesis 2:17). The Book of Mormon teaching that these divine commands are contradictory, and that God expected Adam and Eve to figure out that in reality He wanted them to break the latter command ("of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it") in order to keep the former ("be fruitful and multiply"), has no basis in logic or the Biblical text, and attributes equivocation to God.

3. The Book of Mormon teaches that black skin is a sign of God’s curse, so that white-skinned people are considered morally and spiritually superior to black skinned people (2 Nephi 5:21). In contrast, the Bible teaches that God "made of one blood all nations of men" (Acts 17:26, KJV), that in Christ distinctions of ethnicity, gender and social class are erased (Galatians 3:28), and that God condemns favoritism (James 2:1).

4. The Book of Mormon teaches that, "it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do" (2 Nephi 25:23; see also mormoni 10:32). In contrast, the Bible teaches that apart from Christ we are dead in sin (Ephesians 2:1,5) and unable to do anything to merit forgiveness and eternal life. Salvation is wholly of grace (Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 11:6; Titus 3:5-6), not by grace plus works. Good works are a result, not the basis, of a right relationship with God (Ephesians 2:10).

Here's a series of tables showing how the Book of Mormon contradicts the Doctrines and Covenants, and how it contradicts the Bible.

http://www.bible.ca/mor-contradictions.htm

Would you care to tell us once again how the Book of Mormon is consistent with and works in concert with the Bible, and "does not contradict"?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: New to this forum. I am a Moroon and Think God is a Novelty.

Mormons are not Christians.

Repent now.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: New to this forum. I am a Moroon and Think God is a Novelty.

It's not as if it's a testament of a prophets grandson, or a random hermit from Jerusalem.

...or of a con artist in upstate New York. Oh, wait ....

It's another testament of Jesus Christ. They don't contradict.

Oh, no? Where was Jesus born?

Luke 2:4-7: And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:) To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child. And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered. And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.

Alma 7:10: And behold, he shall be born of Mary, at Jerusalem which is the land of our forefathers, she being a virgin, a precious and chosen vessel, who shall be overshadowed and conceive by the power of the Holy Ghost, and bring forth a son, yea, even the Son of God.

When Jesus was crucified, how long did darkness cover the land?

Matt. 27:45: Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.

Helaman 14:20: But behold, as I said unto you concerning another sign, a sign of his death, behold, in that day that he shall suffer death the sun shall be darkened and refuse to give his light unto you; and also the moon and the stars; and there shall be no light upon the face of this land, even from the time that he shall suffer death, for the space of three days, to the time that he shall rise again from the dead.

I can find others if you'd like.

[aconnors]

Re: New to this forum. I am a Moroon and Think God is a Novelty.

have you been to the temple, no you haven't, so don't make assumptions. It's not as if it's a testament of a prophets grandson, or a random hermit from Jerusalem. It's another testament of Jesus Christ. They don't contradict.

[Levi Jones]

Re: New to this forum. I am a Moroon and Think God is a Novelty.

Here's a little spoiler for our neophyte Momo friend here. If you go to the temple with these questions, they will tell you the "truth".

They will tell you that the Bible was so corrupted that God needed to start over and that of course the the Bible is dumb and stupid and that you should put it aside and focus on the BOM.

Yeah, they use the exact same argument as Muslims.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: New to this forum. I am a Moroon and Think God is a Novelty.

I guess I could ask you all the same question, how do you know it's the "true" God telling you, your scripture is true, when we read and believe in the same canon?

It was you who made the claim that the Holy Spirit told you to follow Joseph Smith. So you tell us: Out of all of the religions of the world, out of all of the "prophets" who claim to hear from God and yet say incompatible things, out of all of the answered prayers in which "god" says, "Yes, this is the true religion," how do you know which to believe? Your eternal destiny depends on getting the right answer, does it not?

I have another testament of Jesus Christ that works in juncture with the other.

So it's okay to have two "testaments" that contradict each other, especially when one explicitly tells us not to follow the other? How do they work "in juncture"?

[Levi Jones]

Re: New to this forum. I am a Moroon and Think God is a Novelty.

I guess I could ask you all the same question, how do you know it's the "true" God telling you, your scripture is true, when we read and believe in the same canon? I have another testament of Jesus Christ that works in juncture with the other.

Funny, you quoted Galatians earlier. It's my turn now.

Galatians 1:7-9
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


How was that "in juncture" with the New Testament again?

[aconnors]

Re: New to this forum. I am a Moroon and Think God is a Novelty.

Sorry, it's hard answering all the questions at once, without getting behind. Definitely not arguing something I agree with. Was just stating a personal opinion on the matter. Just like I said, you can easily cite anything with intent to do harm. Yes I am Mormon, served a 2 year LDS mission, pay tithing, and attend Church regularly.

To the person who said that God told them that we were full of it. I mean, that's your "revelation" I guess. I'm not going to take personal offense to it, because we will all find out who is right, and who is wrong. I have scripture defending my point of view, as I'm sure you do as well.

I guess I could ask you all the same question, how do you know it's the "true" God telling you, your scripture is true, when we read and believe in the same canon? I have another testament of Jesus Christ that works in juncture with the other.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: New to this forum. I am a Moroon and Think God is a Novelty.

Ok let's do point by point here. I believe Joseph Smith to be a true Prophet of God because I've prayed about it, and received an answer from the Holy Spirit. Galatians 5:22 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith." That's what gives me faith in today's Prophet.

Lots of people pray for confirmation that their religions are true, and "god" answers in the affirmative. But since so many of those people believe in mutually exclusive things, it can't be the true God Who is answering them unless He is lying to some of them. Are you saying that God lies to some people, and if so, how can you trust Him to tell you the truth? On the other hand, if you say that not all of those people actually heard from God, how do you know that you did?

Also, the Bible and the Book of Mormon disagree in many respects. How, then, can they both be God's Word?

Finally, the Book of Mormon is called "another testament of Jesus Christ," which is a more verbose way of saying "another gospel." That alone proves that we should reject it:

2 Cor. 11:3-4: But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him].

[Levi Jones]

Re: New to this forum. I am a Moroon and Think God is a Novelty.

Ok let's do point by point here. I believe Joseph Smith to be a true Prophet of God because I've prayed about it, and received an answer from the Holy Spirit. Galatians 5:22 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith." That's what gives me faith in today's Prophet.

Funny, I prayed for the same thing in a showdown with the Moremonies. The Holy Spirit told me they are full of excrement.

Which of us had the true revelation and which of us is lying?

[Levi Jones]

Re: New to this forum. I am a Moroon and Think God is a Novelty.

So if you were around in the 7th century would you have followed the prophet Mohammed for the same reason? If not why not? He had a 'further revelation'.

YIC

Jack

Amen, brother. Why didn't the Momos all become Scientologists if revelation comes a little at a time?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: New to this forum. I am a Moroon and Think God is a Novelty.

Ok let's do point by point here. I believe Joseph Smith to be a true Prophet of God because I've prayed about it, and received an answer from the Holy Spirit. Galatians 5:22 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith." That's what gives me faith in today's Prophet.

So what makes you think that the "Holy Spirit" that answered YOU isn't Satan? What makes you think that Muslims didn't pray and receive the same answer from the same "Holy Spirit"? Muslims give us exactly the same answer when asked the same question.

You can't both be right, can you? Of course not. But you can both be wrong.

Point 2, you can kind of take that out of context. I believe what is trying to be said there, which pays homage to the famous saying, "The Devil can cite scripture for his purpose" Basically, just be careful, and take the cautious steps to justify actions through any sort of scripture. Pray to know it is true, when cited by a third party.

Um, you yourself said Mormons don't believe in the doctrine of the Trinity. I showed you something that agreed with you. Now you're arguing against it?

Seriously, you're not a Mormon, are you? Why not come clean, kid?

[aconnors]

Re: New to this forum. I am a Moroon and Think God is a Novelty.

Muslims sure seem to think so.

Go to Saudia Arabia and claim he's not to find out how serious they are about it.

Why do you believe Mohammad is NOT a true prophet, but Joseph Smith is?


So then you agree that you do deny the Trinity.

Congratulations, you got one point of Mormon doctrine correct!

http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_Christian.shtml#how

And as another point, look at the bolded text above.

Mormons don't think the Bible should be taken literally. Correct? So how do Mormons know which parts to obey and which to ignore?

Ok let's do point by point here. I believe Joseph Smith to be a true Prophet of God because I've prayed about it, and received an answer from the Holy Spirit. Galatians 5:22 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith." That's what gives me faith in today's Prophet.

Point 2, you can kind of take that out of context. I believe what is trying to be said there, which pays homage to the famous saying, "The Devil can cite scripture for his purpose" Basically, just be careful, and take the cautious steps to justify actions through any sort of scripture. Pray to know it is true, when cited by a third party.