[James Hutchins]

Re: Scary

I of course teach her; let her learn by example; let her make mistakes to a degree, but above all teach her consequences. Putting a fork in the light socket has a very real and immediate consequence. I warn her about the danger, can show her pictures, videos, or even burn victims from doing the action, but ultimately I am not physically capable or able to watch her or prevent her from doing something that she is determined to do. One way or another, she will learn. Putting a fork in an electrical socket would not lessen my love for her.

As for the gentleman above who proposes that controlling his children at all times is a greater manifestation of love, I'll politely disagree. I grew up in a very controlling home and have spent years of my adult life coping with the consequences of that. My daughter is incredibly well behaved. I need to discipline her so infrequently that she 1. cries at my disapproval (if I disciplined her frequently, I believe she would be callous) and 2. never repeat the offending action. To clarify, when I say "discipline" I mean put her it time out. I could count the number of times I've spanked her in my life on one hand.

See friend, this is where you are making a massive mistake, again.
God has a rule book, a set of examples. We can follow them and not make the same mistakes or we can ignore His Word and make the same mistakes, over and over and over. Pretty stupid if you ask me.
Living in a environment that is not controlled by God is living in disarray and uncertainty. Living in a house controlled by mad men is insanity. I am sorry to hear your parents had severe mental issues however it is apparent by your hatred of little baby Jesus. You have no idea what is missing from your life and will pay the consequences for your folly when you are sent to Hell.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Scary - I do not Give a Flying Crap About Anything Except Me!

Well friend, I know you think your words are mighty and noble but they reek of putrid indifference.
My own children are allowed to only make good choices. I am involved in their lives. I see to it they make no mistakes. It is called participating in their lives.
See the difference friend?

That's something I always find particularly disturbing about the atheist God-mockers.

On the one hand, they say, "I don't think there's evidence for the existence of God, so I don't want people basing laws that affect me on a 'revealed religion'. Oh, and those religions are really destructive and used to control people." And they fight against it.

Then they have kids and abdicate their parental responsibility, saying, "I'm not going to steer my child in any direction, and let her figure things out for herself when she's old enough. And I'll love her just the same even if she's an evangelical Christian and fights to have atheists all deported."

What kind of a parent allows his child to make horribly wrong decisions? When the child is an adult, of course. But I wouldn't let a 5-year-old decide it was OK to drink alcohol or drive a car at her age. Why would I let her decide to worship Allah and have her genitals mutilated and go to Hell?

[PasstionateAgnostic]

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My mistakes will be my own, and I fully expect to pay the consequences for them. I started this post with a question about the golden rule and it feels like that question is being sidestepped. James, you say my parents had mental illnesses, but I believe they did the best they could and in many ways, seem to prescribe more to the parenting style that you're trying to advocate than my own.

As for hating; that word seems to be thrown around a lot on this forum. Hate requires passion and I am merely indifferent to Jesus, Buddha, Confucious, Mohammad and other religious figures. I would rather live in a world to accepts rather than divides itself.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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My mistakes will be my own, and I fully expect to pay the consequences for them. I started this post with a question about the golden rule and it feels like that question is being sidestepped. James, you say my parents had mental illnesses, but I believe they did the best they could and in many ways, seem to prescribe more to the parenting style that you're trying to advocate than my own.

As for hating; that word seems to be thrown around a lot on this forum. Hate requires passion and I am merely indifferent to Jesus, Buddha, Confucious, Mohammad and other religious figures. I would rather live in a world to accepts rather than divides itself.

Golden rule?

If someone saw me driving at 90 MPH down the road, toward a washed-out bridge, I'd want him to yell to me that the bridge was out.

Just the same, if I were headed toward an eternity being burned alive in God's Lake of Fire, I'd want someone to warn me.

So I warn others.

[James Hutchins]

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My mistakes will be my own, and I fully expect to pay the consequences for them. I started this post with a question about the golden rule and it feels like that question is being sidestepped. James, you say my parents had mental illnesses, but I believe they did the best they could and in many ways, seem to prescribe more to the parenting style that you're trying to advocate than my own.

As for hating; that word seems to be thrown around a lot on this forum. Hate requires passion and I am merely indifferent to Jesus, Buddha, Confucious, Mohammad and other religious figures. I would rather live in a world to accepts rather than divides itself.

I never said your prents were nut jobs. I am sorry for you if they were though that explains your closed mindedness.
Friend, the Bible is a Book chock full of Golden Rules. There is not just one.
If you think you are a good parent, why do you think it is? Could it be that your own parents cared enough to get involved in your life? Could you imagine how fulfilled you could be if you really knew about Jesus?
I have little doubt your daughter is one of those 'EMOs'. We are all seeing the horrifying warning signs.

[PasstionateAgnostic]

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Golden rule?

If someone saw me driving at 90 MPH down the road, toward a washed-out bridge, I'd want him to yell to me that the bridge was out.

Just the same, if I were headed toward an eternity being burned alive in God's Lake of Fire, I'd want someone to warn me.

So I warn others.

Fair enough and thank you for the direct response. I consider myself fairly warned. Where does that leave us if we met in person? If I were gay or Muslim or a woman could we have a cordial dinner? Another of the badges I've seen on profiles is for punching 'queers.' I'm not gay, Muslim, or female fyi

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Fair enough and thank you for the direct response. I consider myself fairly warned. Where does that leave us if we met in person? If I were gay or Muslim or a woman could we have a cordial dinner? Another of the badges I've seen on profiles is for punching 'queers.' I'm not gay, Muslim, or female fyi

If we were going to discuss Jesus, certainly.

If you were going to try to convert me to perversions, then no. If you just wanted to be friends, then no. We are commanded by God to remain separate from the heathens.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Scary

Friend, you really are clueless. Tell me, how did you choose to be against God when you know nothing about Him?
See friend, I know a lot aof gay people, having traveled extensively all over the world. Some of the best parties I have ever been to were hoted by homersexuals. Some of the best singers I have heard were gay. I have never met a single mean one in my life. However God tells us if we want to go to Heaven, we have to follow His rules, God tells us being gay is an abomination.
Tell me this friend, do you enjoy setting off a bottle rocket on the 4th of July? Do you know it is illegal in many parts of the US of A? Do you think it is worth beign branded a criminal, for all of eternity, for a moments fun? Of course not! You chose not to do it. Just like what gays should do. They should chose not to have anal sex with each other.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Scary - I do not Give a Flying Crap About Anything Except Me!

My mistakes will be my own, and I fully expect to pay the consequences for them

That is all very well for you! But if you loved your childs you would have already told her the dangers of sin and Hell and anal rape.

When my young, fresh faced, naive, clean limbed young Nephew comes round to watch DVDs and have sweets I always impress upon him exactly how people go to Hell

Rest assured he knows all about avoiding sin, Hell and being anally raped by a drooling pervert queer in a nameless toilet!

Could a guardian of the young do any more?

YIC

[PasstionateAgnostic]

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If we were going to discuss Jesus, certainly.

If you were going to try to convert me to perversions, then no. If you just wanted to be friends, then no. We are commanded by God to remain separate from the heathens.

Thank you again for the no nonsense answer. I respect your desire to separate yourself from 'heathens' and am frankly glad for that.

James, thank you also for taking the time and effort to respond. Being judged and lost is nothing new to me and ceased bothering me long ago. Thankfully I'm the only one who has to live inside my head. I feel at peace with my nature. As for your analogy about the fireworks, you're right, it would be silly to face such an astronomically disproportionate punishment for moments of pleasure. If I did believe in a specific god, it seems like he'd be a bit more understanding. That's a whole different topic though.

Again, thanks for your time

[James Hutchins]

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James, thank you also for taking the time and effort to respond. Being judged and lost is nothing new to me and ceased bothering me long ago. Thankfully I'm the only one who has to live inside my head. I feel at peace with my nature. As for your analogy about the fireworks, you're right, it would be silly to face such an astronomically disproportionate punishment for moments of pleasure. If I did believe in a specific god, it seems like he'd be a bit more understanding. That's a whole different topic though.

Again, thanks for your time

I agree with you. But laws are the laws and we should not break them just because we want to and can. We have to change the laws instead. The onlt way to have the Bible changed is for God to authorize it. I pray to Him regarding certain parts that even to me seem extreme and excessive. But until God chooses to change His rules, I will follow them. Denying your daughter the ability to have a close and personal relationship with Jesus is a cruel mistreatment. Do not be surprised when you have unexpected and what appears to be 'unexplainable' fits from her. It will be a craving in that void in her life that only Jesus can fill.

[PasstionateAgnostic]

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I agree with you. But laws are the laws and we should not break them just because we want to and can. We have to change the laws instead. The onlt way to have the Bible changed is for God to authorize it. I pray to Him regarding certain parts that even to me seem extreme and excessive. But until God chooses to change His rules, I will follow them. Denying your daughter the ability to have a close and personal relationship with Jesus is a cruel mistreatment. Do not be surprised when you have unexpected and what appears to be 'unexplainable' fits from her. It will be a craving in that void in her life that only Jesus can fill.

I speed and illegally park frequently. Every year or so I get a ticket and am fined. I feel no moral guilt over this since I pay the consequences for my actions. I don't deny my daughters right to choose. I was nearly disowned by my family for leaving their faith, but in the end it was my decision (and will be my daughters' decision) to follow in my path or go her own way.

[James Hutchins]

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I speed and illegally park frequently. Every year or so I get a ticket and am fined. I feel no moral guilt over this since I pay the consequences for my actions. I don't deny my daughters right to choose. I was nearly disowned by my family for leaving their faith, but in the end it was my decision (and will be my daughters' decision) to follow in my path or go her own way.

Friend, one day you will speed and kill someones daughter. You may pay a fine but the debt you will owe will never be repaid. There is no excuse for breaking Gods laws.
What is there was a fire and because you are parked illegally, the trucks cannot get to it in time and some little girls parents die. Will your $15 ticket be sufficient? To the little girl, will a 'sorry, here is a quarter, too bad' cover it?
How can you be so selfish. You should explain to your daughter how you are above the laws of all other people and are allowed to do what ever you want.
I can easily see why your family wanted to disown you. How can you have such disdain for the rest of humanity?

[PasstionateAgnostic]

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Friend, one day you will speed and kill someones daughter. You may pay a fine but the debt you will owe will never be repaid. There is no excuse for breaking Gods laws.
What is there was a fire and because you are parked illegally, the trucks cannot get to it in time and some little girls parents die. Will your $15 ticket be sufficient? To the little girl, will a 'sorry, here is a quarter, too bad' cover it?
How can you be so selfish. You should explain to your daughter how you are above the laws of all other people and are allowed to do what ever you want.
I can easily see why your family wanted to disown you. How can you have such disdain for the rest of humanity?

Do you have so much faith in the laws of man? I drive as fast as I feel safe and competent driving. I hope it doesn't happen, and it would indeed be a tragedy if I were involved in an accident. If you obey the speed limit while hitting and killing someone are you any less involved? That appears inconsistent and elevating the law of the land over personal responsibility. When I park illegally, its only by over staying the two hour parking limits nearby. I don't block fire hydrants; though even doing that you're mainly risking vehicle damage from the fire department as they bust out your windows.

By the same token, if you hit and killed someone, how would you repay that. You would be in the same boat: unable to answer to the parents.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Scary

Friend, like many people that hate God, you are too closed minded to see the Truth(c). I thought you were a smart man but apparently I was incorrect. That is a lesson I need to learn about giving people the benefit of the doubt.
Friend, there are rules. Once you break one, there is no reason to say you will not break another, then another.
Today, it is driving like a reckless manic at break neck speeds. Next week, you push an old lady down a stair case, shattering all her frail bones.
When will it stop? It should of stopped before it started. Who told you that you are above the rules that all decent people agreed to abide by?
Would you mind if a boy looked at your daughter? Held her hand? Kissed her? 'Accidently' fondled her burgeoning breasts? Got her pregnant? Who is the one to decide what is acceptable? You? The boy? I'll tell you who. God is.