[Capt. Aaron Portway]

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That's what parents should do! I have three girls (and one child on the way). I love them all dearly and my eldest is taking karate classes.

You have a Chink daughter? How's that even possible? Are you married to a fishhead of some sort?

[Rev. Edward Clement]

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I was hoping for a unique perspective on the above verses, but it says what it says. In my mind and in my experiences, that scripture says 1+1 = 3, which just does not add up.

There is not mathg quoted in that verse of scripture; do you see pink hippogarrafs when you look around the room?

Sigh, the delusions of agnostics, atheists, free-thinkers(all are satanists) never cease to cause me to shake my head, as if I almost pity their ignorance.

2 Corinthians
4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

No, you do not think for yourself; you are under the control of the demons which inhabit you.

[Cranky Old Man]

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That's what parents should do! I have three girls (and one child on the way). I love them all dearly and my eldest is taking karate classes.

Why on earth would a girl ever need Karate? How is karate going to help her to obey and serve her husband until the day Jesus kills her?

Ephesians 5:22 "Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord."

Genesis 3:16 "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."

[Art Speir]

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As for my daughter, I am bringing her up in a manner that 1. She has self-esteem not to be pressured into going beyond what she is comfortable. 2. She'll have mace and training to possibly prevent a boy from going further than she feels comfortable with. 3. She'll have a dad who is very attuned to what is going on in her life and able to offer advise in order to avoid severe consequences. 4. She'll know the consequences of her actions (such as drugs or unprotected sex) and 5. She'll know she's allowed to make mistakes yet retain family support.

That's what parents should do! I have three girls (and one child on the way). I love them all dearly and my eldest is taking karate classes.

[James Hutchins]

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Alright James, this is I think a good place to end the discussion on a positive thought. I won't agree on this point since at some point you realize that blind obedience to something that is not true is not worth it. You believe I'll have a wake-up call that will be rudely shocking when I'm wrong, I hope one day you escape from the manipulative and mind-bending nature of religion. It is not an easy path to free yourself from false paradigms, but it is worth it. If God by definition is perfect and cannot sin, says something, and then does not fulfill his word, he is not god.

I was hoping for a unique perspective on the above verses, but it says what it says. In my mind and in my experiences, that scripture says 1+1 = 3, which just does not add up.

I've appreciated your feedback and comments, I know you don't hold us to be equals, but it'll all sort itself out in the end anyways, so that really doesn't matter in the present.

Best wishes and peace.

John

See friend, you are looking for a magical answer. It does not exist. The Bible is a plain and simple book. Much of life is the same way. Too many people try to read into everything and interpert what they imagine they see. In your closed mnd, 1+1 cannot = 3. In an open mind, it certainly can. As a child, I often wondered if other people saw things the same as I did. Did a blue sky to me also look blue to them or had they merely been trained to agree that a sky was blue.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Gnostic atheist is inherently a contradiction since confined my mortal reasoning and logic, one cannot KNOW there is no god, and I don't claim to KNOW anything of the nature of deity. I definitely do not consider myself a deist or a pantheist as both acknowledge a force even if it is not meaningful. I just don't believe that God is knowable or more importantly, knowing God is not important.

You're correct that gnostic atheism is illogical. It is, in fact, a faith position.

It sure sounds like you're an agnostic atheist, since agnostic theism is nothing but mental masturbation. "Is there a god? I don't know, and I can't know, but I believe there is anyway, because I think it's a good idea to believe in something"?

[PasstionateAgnostic]

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That is what faith is, friend. Faith does not have an end point. Faith is not a dog, that you think is your best friend until he steals your lunch and you have to shoot him.
You could be under a car, legs severed, bleeding out, praying to God. Laying there, you wonder why He does not save you. You loose faith, you blasphemy Him. You die and go to Hell. The reality is God PUT YOU under the car for a reason. That reason was not so He could save you. Bottom line is your life is not yours, it is His and you have no right to make demands or have any expectations other than if you have unerring faith, you will probably go to heaven. Stop being so selfish. Think about Gods needs.

Alright James, this is I think a good place to end the discussion on a positive thought. I won't agree on this point since at some point you realize that blind obedience to something that is not true is not worth it. You believe I'll have a wake-up call that will be rudely shocking when I'm wrong, I hope one day you escape from the manipulative and mind-bending nature of religion. It is not an easy path to free yourself from false paradigms, but it is worth it. If God by definition is perfect and cannot sin, says something, and then does not fulfill his word, he is not god.

I was hoping for a unique perspective on the above verses, but it says what it says. In my mind and in my experiences, that scripture says 1+1 = 3, which just does not add up.

I've appreciated your feedback and comments, I know you don't hold us to be equals, but it'll all sort itself out in the end anyways, so that really doesn't matter in the present.

Best wishes and peace.

John

[James Hutchins]

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How is one supposed to continue in faith when sent a trial 'more than you can bear' despite earnest prayer and 100% effort to persevere.

That is what faith is, friend. Faith does not have an end point. Faith is not a dog, that you think is your best friend until he steals your lunch and you have to shoot him.
You could be under a car, legs severed, bleeding out, praying to God. Laying there, you wonder why He does not save you. You loose faith, you blasphemy Him. You die and go to Hell. The reality is God PUT YOU under the car for a reason. That reason was not so He could save you. Bottom line is your life is not yours, it is His and you have no right to make demands or have any expectations other than if you have unerring faith, you will probably go to heaven. Stop being so selfish. Think about Gods needs.

[PasstionateAgnostic]

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How is one supposed to continue in faith when sent a trial 'more than you can bear' despite earnest prayer and 100% effort to persevere.

[James Hutchins]

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just friends having a barbecue and good conversation. No sex acts of any kinds.



how else can one judge but by their own experiences and reasoning. I put faith in the word of God and he didn't make good on the promises. If then God does not or is not able to fulfill his promises, he is not a being worthy of worship. I don't pretend to know any universal truths, just what has been true in my life.

I'm also still interested in hearing an explanation on 1 Cor 10:13 and how it pertains to the situation. One of the forum introductory posts mentioned asking for official commentary on scriptural verses was acceptable.

Gnostic atheist is inherently a contradiction since confined my mortal reasoning and logic, one cannot KNOW there is no god, and I don't claim to KNOW anything of the nature of deity. I definitely do not consider myself a deist or a pantheist as both acknowledge a force even if it is not meaningful. I just don't believe that God is knowable or more importantly, knowing God is not important.

You're not on here to hear my opinions though, I'm just answering direct questions.

the idea of faith is having trust in what god has supposedly said and acting on it. Please, I'd appreciate your view of 1 Cor 10:13 or why it is not relevant to my situation.

You are in quite a pickle!
You do not know whether to believe in God or not yet you want His advice. Apparently He has given it to you before and you slapped it away. Just like you do following many secular laws. Why should He do it again? Doesn't it make more sense for Him to spend time on and with those that believe in Him?

Regarding:
1 Corinthians 10:13
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

What part of it do you not understand, seems pretty clear to me. Though I am utterly baffled why you'd care.

[PasstionateAgnostic]

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Are these friends of your saved? If they do not have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, they will more than likely rape you. Then again, that may be your thing, seeing as you are unsaved yourself. Rape is a staple of agnosticism.

just friends having a barbecue and good conversation. No sex acts of any kinds.

So God didn't meet you on your terms in your dilly-dallying in incense-filled temples with chanting chinks and on hot savannas with drum-beating darkies, or in reading history books and taking some college classes that confused you, and so you decided that justified giving up on God? You abandoned Baby Jesus and you want us to help you feel good about it? We won't help with that at all, friend!

What is it with all these know-it-alls who come in here lately thinking they are smarter than God? I'm going to have to take another pill.

how else can one judge but by their own experiences and reasoning. I put faith in the word of God and he didn't make good on the promises. If then God does not or is not able to fulfill his promises, he is not a being worthy of worship. I don't pretend to know any universal truths, just what has been true in my life.

I'm also still interested in hearing an explanation on 1 Cor 10:13 and how it pertains to the situation. One of the forum introductory posts mentioned asking for official commentary on scriptural verses was acceptable.

I just want some clarification about what you really are. You see, many people who come here don't really know the meanings of "agnostic" and "atheist".

Are you a Deist or a Pantheist? Both of those are what would be called "agnostic theists", because they are quite certain there's a god, but they don't think humans can know the exact nature of that god, or likely interact with it in any meaningful manner. (Which makes believing in it rather impractical, don't you think?)

Or are you an "agnostic atheist"? These folks think that there isn't enough evidence to support belief in gods. Most people who call themselves "agnostic" mean this, but they don't understand that it is what "atheist" means.

The "gnostic atheist" is a rare breed; this is the truly arrogant twat who claims he can know with absolute certainty that, in all of the universe, and in every dimension outside of the known universe (should any exist), there is nothing that would meet the standard definition of 'god'. Considering the average gnostic atheist doesn't even know what is growing in his refrigerator, it's nothing but arrogance to believe he knows everything about the universe.

The "gnostic theist", which is what True Christians™ are, and actually the majority of people in the world are, know that humans can know God's nature, and that God exists. (Note that 'God' is capitalized here, because I'm referring to God, not gods in the generic sense.)

Gnostic atheist is inherently a contradiction since confined my mortal reasoning and logic, one cannot KNOW there is no god, and I don't claim to KNOW anything of the nature of deity. I definitely do not consider myself a deist or a pantheist as both acknowledge a force even if it is not meaningful. I just don't believe that God is knowable or more importantly, knowing God is not important.

You're not on here to hear my opinions though, I'm just answering direct questions.

It sounds to me like you really believe in God deep down inside (like most atheists), but you took to putting so many selfish demands on Him, that God probably gave you the cold shoulder for awhile.

He's a lot smarter than you. Who are you to make demands and judge Him?

the idea of faith is having trust in what god has supposedly said and acting on it. Please, I'd appreciate your view of 1 Cor 10:13 or why it is not relevant to my situation.

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

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I studied a wide range of religions in college, traveled aboad, and finally abandoned all organized religions when I didn't receive answers or any help when I needed it most from god.

So God didn't meet you on your terms in your dilly-dallying in incense-filled temples with chanting chinks and on hot savannas with drum-beating darkies, or in reading history books and taking some college classes that confused you, and so you decided that justified giving up on God? You abandoned Baby Jesus and you want us to help you feel good about it? We won't help with that at all, friend!

What is it with all these know-it-alls who come in here lately thinking they are smarter than God? I'm going to have to take another pill.

"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" (Romans 1:22)

Pastor Ed

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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I am definitely not atheist.

I just want some clarification about what you really are. You see, many people who come here don't really know the meanings of "agnostic" and "atheist".

Are you a Deist or a Pantheist? Both of those are what would be called "agnostic theists", because they are quite certain there's a god, but they don't think humans can know the exact nature of that god, or likely interact with it in any meaningful manner. (Which makes believing in it rather impractical, don't you think?)

Or are you an "agnostic atheist"? These folks think that there isn't enough evidence to support belief in gods. Most people who call themselves "agnostic" mean this, but they don't understand that it is what "atheist" means.

The "gnostic atheist" is a rare breed; this is the truly arrogant twat who claims he can know with absolute certainty that, in all of the universe, and in every dimension outside of the known universe (should any exist), there is nothing that would meet the standard definition of 'god'. Considering the average gnostic atheist doesn't even know what is growing in his refrigerator, it's nothing but arrogance to believe he knows everything about the universe.

The "gnostic theist", which is what True Christians™ are, and actually the majority of people in the world are, know that humans can know God's nature, and that God exists. (Note that 'God' is capitalized here, because I'm referring to God, not gods in the generic sense.)

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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You definitely surprised me with the sincerity of those last comments. There is actually one scripture I'd be interested in hearing an interpretation of. 1 cor 10:13. I think I got that right about how god doesn't give trials without preparing a way out. This one really hangs me up since I still recall pouring out my whole soul in prayer, giving 110% for as long as I could until I broke. I admit it, I broke. I held on for months saying to myself "I can hold out one more day" while continuing to pray. So yeah, that scriptures has always felt like salt tubbing in a very tender wound

It sounds to me like you really believe in God deep down inside (like most atheists), but you took to putting so many selfish demands on Him, that God probably gave you the cold shoulder for awhile.

He's a lot smarter than you. Who are you to make demands and judge Him?

Isaiah 55:8-9: For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

*rubbing

Ewww.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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*rubbing

I'm out to be with friends, I'll check back tomorrow

Are these friends of your saved? If they do not have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, they will more than likely rape you. Then again, that may be your thing, seeing as you are unsaved yourself. Rape is a staple of agnosticism.