[Levi Jones]

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Oh, another question. Because of my differed beliefs on the homosexuality debate, in your eyes, would I be going to hell even though I'm not homosexual myself?

It's not in my eyes. It's in the apostle Paul's eyes. Please read the first chapter of Romans.

26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

[Jedediah]

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Thank you all for your clarification of gods word. I never really saw that depth in the bible and may have misinterpreted some of its meaning, because of what society wants me to see. Better get back to reading it!

Be careful that you read only from a King James Authorized Version ©1611. In these end times, false translations (NIV, NASB, ESV, etc) abound, and even publication of many a King James Bible has been put into the hands of heathens. That is why you should print out your own copy and bind it yourself. I suggest the excellent download available from here: http://www.biblicalscholarship.net/AV.htm .

I also suggest that you follow the links to learn more about how satan and his secularist minions are conspiring against the publication of authentic KJV 1611 Holy Bibles.

I'm glad I joined this forum after all, this is a great chance to better understand gods word. Thanks again for taking time to clear things up with me.

And our hearts rejoice that the LORD has guided you here. It is clear that this is all a part of His Plan.

This is an official apology to the church and god for arrogantly saying things which I don't know much about.

Jesus and we accept your apology. The cure for your ignorance of His Word is to be found in the study of sound doctrine. Again, follow the link I provided earlier to learn more.

I Timothy 4:13
Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.

Does god not allow us to be associated with people that sin, even if we don't sin ourselfs?

That depends. Are you working to share the Good News of Christ's temporary sacrifice with them, or are you casually associating with them? When it comes to sharing the Good News, it is often necessary to get our hands dirty and minister to the unsaved.

II Timothy 4:2-5
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

Unless we are actively engaged in winning their souls for the Kingdom, however, we are instructed to have no fellowship with unsaved trash.

II Corinthians 6:14-17
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

[Brother Harold Porter]

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Does god not allow us to be associated with people that sin, even if we don't sin ourselfs?

Absolutely not. God makes it perfectly clear in His Word that we should not be anywhere near filthy scum that hate Him.

2 Corinthians 6:14 "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?"

I hope this helps you, young man.

In Christ

[ddeckys]

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Thank you all for your clarification of gods word. I never really saw that depth in the bible and may have misinterpreted some of its meaning, because of what society wants me to see. Better get back to reading it!

I'm glad I joined this forum after all, this is a great chance to better understand gods word. Thanks again for taking time to clear things up with me.

This is an official apology to the church and god for arrogantly saying things which I don't know much about.

I have a questions for you though, Alex.

Does god not allow us to be associated with people that sin, even if we don't sin ourselfs?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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Love is love, and we are all gods children.

Dear friend:

If we are all God's children, why was it necessary for Christ to give the saved, and only the saved, the power to become God's children?

John 1:12-13: But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Consider also the following:

John 8:44: Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Do you suppose that God and the devil ever begat children together?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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I don't think god hates them either, but by the bible, he obviously thinks the lifestyle is wrong.

So, He loves them, yet He will resurrect them (with all nonbelievers and sinners) from unknowing death (Ecclesiastes 9:5), into immortal bodies at Judgment, specifically so He can cast them into His Lake of Fire (Hell) and burn them alive for all time.

This you call "love"?

What kind of a sick monster are you?

[Levi Jones]

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I like to think that we are all from god, just some of us are worse then others. I though we were supposed to love people who sin, and pray for them?

These are good questions. We are commanded to love our neighbors as ourselves, but does that mean we should allow them to continue to sin without saying anything?

Let's go to the source of where Jesus gets the commandment for us to love our neighbors.

Leviticus 19:15,17-18 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: [but] in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.

Please see verse 17 in the NIV for a more clear understanding of what is being said here.

'Do not hate your brother in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in his guilt.

Yeah, we are to love our neighbors, but at the same time we shouldn't allow or put up with their sin.

Please see this sermon for an even more complete explanation.

Bible Answers: Who are our neighbors? Who are our brothers and sisters? Who are we to love?

[ExGay Alex]

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I don't think god hates them either, but by the bible, he obviously thinks the lifestyle is wrong.

I like to think that we are all from god, just some of us are worse then others. I though we were supposed to love people who sin, and pray for them?

The Bible is God's word. 2 Timothy 3:16 tells us that the Scriptures are the very breath of God.

In the Bible, God does not say "I wish to express my strong disapproval of this lifestyle and I am very disappointed in this choice." Instead, God very clearly says they should be put to death.

Try re-reading Genesis 19. In this passage, all the men in Sodom surrounded the house where two very attractive young men were staying. God did not take the view that this was frowned upon. Instead "the smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace." Genesis 19:28.

I do not think it is right to pick and choose the parts of the Bible you find "convenient." Revelation 22, verse 18 says "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


In other words: Any part of the Bible that you re-interpret or disregard will send you to Hell.


I can understand you have a nice gaysexual friend. But this is Satan's way of tempting you. You want to be nice to this person, his niceness and sweetness make you want to doubt God's true judgment upon these people. once you start to doubt part of the Bible, it's only a matter of time before you toss John 3:16 onto the same trash heap as Leviticus 18:22. Proverbs 3:5-7 tells us not to trust our instincts, but to TRUST GOD.

Read 1 Corinthians 15:33, 1 Corinthians 5:9-13, 2 John 1:9-11, and 2 Corinthians 4:4. Gays are a bad influence on you and are corrupting you from the ways of the Lord. Pray to Jesus not to allow you to be led into temptation, but to be delivered from evil. Matthew 6:13.

Abandon your gaysexual friend NOW before it is too late.

[ddeckys]

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I guess that statement was arrogant. I can't say what god thinks, but I still don't hate gay people.

I don't think god hates them either, but by the bible, he obviously thinks the lifestyle is wrong.

I like to think that we are all from god, just some of us are worse then others. I though we were supposed to love people who sin, and pray for them?

Sorry for the confusion.

I received an infraction for that post. I'm sorry for any offense that was taken.

[ddeckys]

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From where do you get this idea? If you can find this in the KJV 1611 Holy Bible, chapter and verse, I will eat my hat. If you cannot find this in the Holy Bible, then you owe God, and Landover Baptist Church, a sincere apology for presuming to know better than God and for trying to speak on His behalf.

I guess that statement was arrogant. I can't say what god thinks, but I still don't hate gay people.

I don't think god hates them either, but by the bible, he obviously thinks the lifestyle is wrong.

I like to think that we are all from god, just some of us are worse then others. I though we were supposed to love people who sin, and pray for them?

Sorry for the confusion.

[Zechariah Smyth]

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Hanging out with fruits implies that you agree with their deathstyle choice. There are many Bible verses that cover this, but my short-and-sweet favorite is:

(Amos 3:3) "Can two walk together, except they be agreed?"

YiC,

Zech

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Mary, what pride do I need repenting of? I don't think I know better then god.

During my troubled time in high school, I had a friend who was VERY intelligent, and helped me get my act together and prepare myself for my future. Later I found out that he was homosexual. Love is love, and we are all gods children.

From where do you get this idea? If you can find this in the KJV 1611 Holy Bible, chapter and verse, I will eat my hat. If you cannot find this in the Holy Bible, then you owe God, and Landover Baptist Church, a sincere apology for presuming to know better than God and for trying to speak on His behalf.

[ddeckys]

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Friend, I don't hate homosexuals either, but God does. Who am I to say He's mistaken?



And yes, Jesus did die for your sins, even the sin of thinking you know better than Him. If you don't repent of this pride however, it will all be for naught for you.

Mary, what pride do I need repenting of? I don't think I know better then god.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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I don't think I know better then him, I just don't hate homosexuals. I do not agree with their lifestyle, because I'm not gay, but I don't hate or resent them.

And of coarse, Jesus is my Lord, he died for our sins, and I will follow him, there was never any doubt about that.

Friend, I don't hate homosexuals either, but God does. Who am I to say He's mistaken?



And yes, Jesus did die for your sins, even the sin of thinking you know better than Him. If you don't repent of this pride however, it will all be for naught for you.

[ddeckys]

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Dominic, it is certainly nice to "meet" you!

To answer your question, it seems as if your beliefs differ with God Almighty and that's something to consider. You see, if you think you know better than the Creator of the Entire Universe, then that's some pretty major pride you have going on there. That pride is idolatry - you idolize your own intellect, your own self. Furthermore, you're not really following God's Word, but instead your own 21st century developed conscience. That shows you don't really trust Jesus, you trust your own ability to recognize right from wrong. So in answer to your question, yes, you will be placed on a spiritual coal chute straight to Hell the moment after you take your last breath unless you repent of this and accept Jesus Christ as your LORD and Master (Romans 10:9).

I don't think I know better then him, I just don't hate homosexuals. I do not agree with their lifestyle, because I'm not gay, but I don't hate or resent them.

And of coarse, Jesus is my Lord, he died for our sins, and I will follow him, there was never any doubt about that.