[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Hi!

I don't know who Rob Bell is. Mind elaborating?

Do you not have the Google?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Bell

He's a false Christian (universalist) "pastor" who preaches lies about the Bible. Lies that make people feel good, and say what they want to hear.

Bell says, "This is not just the same old message with new methods. We're rediscovering Christianity as an Eastern religion, as a way of life. Legal metaphors for faith don't deliver a way of life. We grew up in churches where people knew the nine verses why we don't speak in tongues, but had never experienced the overwhelming presence of God."[9]

Bell's most recent book, Love Wins, caused a major controversy within the evangelical community. The controversy was the subject of a Time Magazine cover story and a featured article in the New York Times.[22][23][24] In the book, Bell states that "It's been clearly communicated to many that this belief (in hell as conscious, eternal torment) is a central truth of the Christian faith and to reject it is, in essence, to reject Jesus. This is misguided and toxic and ultimately subverts the contagious spread of Jesus' message of love, peace, forgiveness and joy that our world desperately needs to hear." In this book, Bell outlines a number of views of hell, including universal reconciliation (also known as universalism). Though he does not choose any one view as his own, he states of the universalist view, "Whatever objections a person may have of [the universalist view], and there are many, one has to admit that it is fitting, proper, and Christian to long for it."

As for proving Jesus spent time with sinners; I didn't disagree. I said He did not "hang out" with them, but He witnessed to them because they were the ones needing guidance. It is rather difficult to witness to someone without spending time with him.

How does showing he ate with them prove anything otherwise?

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Hi!

I don't know who Rob Bell is. Mind elaborating?

Once again, I have scriptures for you!
First, here is one where Jesus stops the people from stoning a prostitute:
John 8:2-11
And one where he eats with sinners:
Matthew 9:9-13

That woman was accused of ADULTERY, not PROSTITUTION.

(John 8:3-4) "And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act."

Do you know the difference?

And that doesn't quite mean "hanging out" now does it?



YiC,

Zech

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Hi!

I don't know who Rob Bell is. Mind elaborating?

Once again, I have scriptures for you!
First, here is one where Jesus stops the people from stoning a prostitute:
John 8:2-11
And one where he eats with sinners:
Matthew 9:9-13

You're extrapolating quite a bit...

[Redeemed Papist]

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Come on guys, can't you understand FriendlyAtheist? Cranky Old Man is saying that it is BIBLICALLY SOUND to let you daughters get raped! This is WRONG. The Bible says repeatably to flee from all sexual immorality. Does raping a little girl with no breasts consititute as sexual immorality? I think so! Can you father's and mother's possibly be saying you would let some guy rape your daughters? And that the Bible backs you up?

But the Bible does back us up. Lot was the only man saved from Sodom and Gomorrah and part of the reason for his amazing example of moral upstandingness was that he was prepared to give his most valuable property, his virgin daughters, up for rape by a mob rather than the hot male angels that were his guests. Go and read it.

Lot later impregnated both daughters because they got him drunk and seduced him on two consecutive nights but that's OK with God as well as the races the Israelites later slaughtered needed a forefather and a sinful origin.

Go and read it.

[godpower97]

Re: Hi!

I don't know who Rob Bell is. Mind elaborating?

Once again, I have scriptures for you!
First, here is one where Jesus stops the people from stoning a prostitute:
John 8:2-11
And one where he eats with sinners:
Matthew 9:9-13

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Hi!

You want scripture? Alright. I'll quote scripture.
Acts 15:20 But should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from sblood.

Galations 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality.

Collosions 3:5 Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.

I am assuming that raping someone constititues as sexual immorality.

What does any of that have to do with daughters being property, and it being repeatedly shown to be perfectly acceptable behavior to toss them out to an angry mob to be gang-raped in order to protect yourself or your houseguests?

Nobody here is saying it's OK to rape someone.

Although God did command it on more than one occasion, but the girls who were raped were to be the wives of the rapists. After their parents and brothers were all slaughtered. See Numbers 31 for an example.

And I am not an atheist. Just because I defend an atheist does not make me one. Jesus did not hang out with the religious authorities of his time, but the prostitutes, tax collectors and sinners. In fact, Jesus's closest friends seem to be simple fishermen who weren't smart enough to be rabbis.

Well, you're certainly no Christian!

Jesus didn't "hang out" with prostitutes, tax collectors and sinners. He witnessed to them.

The physician doesn't visit those who are already well, but those who are ill. Likewise, Jesus spent His time with those in need of guidance, not those who already understood and kept the Law.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Hi!

***blah blah blah Jesus did not hang out with the religious authorities of his time, but the prostitutes, tax collectors and sinners. blah blah blah ***

Please show me some instances in the Bible where Jesus "hung out" with whores.

Book, chapter, verse.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Hi!

In fact, Jesus's closest friends seem to be simple fishermen who weren't smart enough to be rabbis.

Rob Bell fan?

[godpower97]

Re: Hi!

You want scripture? Alright. I'll quote scripture.
Acts 15:20 But should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from sblood.

Galations 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality.

Collosions 3:5 Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.

I am assuming that raping someone constititues as sexual immorality.

And I am not an atheist. Just because I defend an atheist does not make me one. Jesus did not hang out with the religious authorities of his time, but the prostitutes, tax collectors and sinners. In fact, Jesus's closest friends seem to be simple fishermen who weren't smart enough to be rabbis.

[Zechariah Smyth]

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The atheist tigers always show their hate-filled stripes.

Always.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Hi!

Come on guys, can't you understand FriendlyAtheist? Cranky Old Man is saying that it is BIBLICALLY SOUND to let you daughters get raped! This is WRONG. The Bible says repeatably to flee from all sexual immorality. Does raping a little girl with no breasts consititute as sexual immorality? I think so! Can you father's and mother's possibly be saying you would let some guy rape your daughters? And that the Bible backs you up?

Brother Cranky quoted the relevant Scripture in his original post.

Why don't you use Scripture to refute it instead of making vague generalizations about what the Bible would say, if it said what you think it should say, which it doesn't?

You only make yourself and all the other atheists look extra stupid when you make false claims about the Bible's contents.

Your ignorance is astounding.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Hi!

Come on guys, can't you understand FriendlyAtheist? Cranky Old Man is saying that it is BIBLICALLY SOUND to let you daughters get raped! This is WRONG. The Bible says repeatably to flee from all sexual immorality. Does raping a little girl with no breasts consititute as sexual immorality? I think so! Can you father's and mother's possibly be saying you would let some guy rape your daughters? And that the Bible backs you up?

Have you read the thread in question? In what way is Cranky Old Man failing to quote the Holy Bible? In what way is he interloping his own point of view? If you can show me where he is, I'll eat my hat.

With regard to "letting" my daughters be raped, there is no way Mr. Etheldreda or I will condone our daughters to behave in such a way as to invite premarital sexual relations, regardless of the circumstances thereof.

[godpower97]

Re: Hi!

Come on guys, can't you understand FriendlyAtheist? Cranky Old Man is saying that it is BIBLICALLY SOUND to let you daughters get raped! This is WRONG. The Bible says repeatably to flee from all sexual immorality. Does raping a little girl with no breasts consititute as sexual immorality? I think so! Can you father's and mother's possibly be saying you would let some guy rape your daughters? And that the Bible backs you up?

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Wow, the "liberal tolerance" shows itself so soon! ("I respect your right to believe anything you want, as long as I agree with it completely.")

So much for the one "friendly" atheist on the internet!

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Hi!

It's time for me to say goodbye now! Just saw this thread.

Truly, you are the sickest bunch of animals I have ever had the displeasure to communicate with. I don't believe in God, but if there is a God, you'll burn in hell. Horrible f*cking maggots. Except you godpower97, you're a good christian. The rest of these guys are racist monkeys that haven't evolved into human beings yet.

And for people that are against homosexuality, you sure talk about anal sex a lot. Perhaps there's something you'd like to share? Again, smother and drown, you f*cking rapist c*nts. And to the women here: You truly are dogs and allow yourselves to be treated as such.

Jesus wouldn't even sh*t on one of you.

F*ck you all entirely, and may you die slowly and painfully, arsehole of the earth,
Regards,
An Actual Human Being.


TL DR; I hope a tornado blows through your cesspool of a Bible Belt and forces you to beg for welfare. May children disown you when they're older and more intelligent.

Wow, the "liberal tolerance" shows itself so soon! ("I respect your right to believe anything you want, as long as I agree with it completely.")

Could you kindly explain, using Scripture, why the multiple occasions of Godly men sending their daughters (or concubines) out to be gang-raped in order to distract angry mobs is not a Biblically-acceptable practice?

You see, your "but I think it's a mean thing to do" doesn't cut it. God's opinion is all that matters. He didn't punish anyone for sending out his daughters (or concubines) to be gang-raped; this suggests strongly that it is a Godly practice.