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  • #31
    Re: New Member of Muslim Faith

    Originally posted by Fading Light View Post
    Jesus is not a liar, and no Muslims believes so.

    According to our faith, Jesus (peace be upon him) came with the message of one god (no son) but people took the god given powers of miracles and labelled him as such. Again, this is what Islam teaches.

    I am not saying you are wrong but merely given my stance on what I have been taught. Also, my 'defensive rant' was in reply to a post, you can of course, take it in way you please.
    Why do you suppose that Allah either couldn't or wouldn't keep the first two revelations (the Torah and the Gospel) from being corrupted, but instead waited until the third revelation (the Qur'an) to keep it from being corrupted? Would an omnipotent and omniscient beting follow the rule of "third time's a charm?" Why wouldn't Allah have been ready, willing, and able to keep the revelation uncorrupted from the get-go? On the other hand, if there's some good reason why Allah allowed the first two revelations to become corrupted, how do you know that the same isn't true of the Qur'an?
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    • #32
      Re: New Member of Muslim Faith

      Originally posted by Pastor Isaac Peters View Post
      Why do you suppose that Allah either couldn't or wouldn't keep the first two revelations (the Torah and the Gospel) from being corrupted, but instead waited until the third revelation (the Qur'an) to keep it from being corrupted? Would an omnipotent and omniscient beting follow the rule of "third time's a charm?" Why wouldn't Allah have been ready, willing, and able to keep the revelation uncorrupted from the get-go? On the other hand, if there's some good reason why Allah allowed the first two revelations to become corrupted, how do you know that the same isn't true of the Qur'an?
      God can do as he pleases. God sent the revelations to man but it was man himself who corrupted it. This logic is quite weak, in my opinion. God being omnipotent and omniscient is a power in its own essence. I can say, If god is so powerful and needs worshipping why allow many to believe in so many different faiths? Why not just follow one?

      God is all powerful but the actions of man is what will either lead them to heaven or hell. Whether it's the corruption of revelations or committing of sins.
      Ecclesiastes 4:5 The fool foldeth his hands together, and eateth his own flesh.

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      • #33
        Re: New Member of Muslim Faith

        Originally posted by Fading Light View Post
        God can do as he pleases. God sent the revelations to man but it was man himself who corrupted it. This logic is quite weak, in my opinion. God being omnipotent and omniscient is a power in its own essence. I can say, If god is so powerful and needs worshipping why allow many to believe in so many different faiths? Why not just follow one?

        God is all powerful but the actions of man is what will either lead them to heaven or hell. Whether it's the corruption of revelations or committing of sins.
        So, in your estimation, God chooses to allow His revelation to become corrupted. Why did He bother to reveal anything in the first place? Also, if He allows his revelation to become corrupted and also allows different faiths, and thereby makes us guess at what it takes to avoid eternal damnation, doesn't that make Him an unimaginably sadistic monster? Finally, we get right back to a previous question of mine: How do you know that the Qur'an is the one revelation that He kept from being corrupted?
        This church is dedicated to preaching True Christianity™ and the King James Bible exactly as they are, with no alterations to make them more politically correct for modern liberals. If you think that we've misquoted or twisted Scripture or quoted any verse out of context, please explain in detail how we've done so. Otherwise, if what you read on this site offends you, then you're offended by Almighty God and His Word, not by us.

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        • #34
          Re: New Member of Muslim Faith

          Originally posted by Fading Light View Post
          God can do as he pleases. God sent the revelations to man but it was man himself who corrupted it. This logic is quite weak, in my opinion. God being omnipotent and omniscient is a power in its own essence. I can say, If god is so powerful and needs worshipping why allow many to believe in so many different faiths? Why not just follow one?

          God is all powerful but the actions of man is what will either lead them to heaven or hell. Whether it's the corruption of revelations or committing of sins.
          So you think screwing 9 year old girls and drinking camel piss to get well has somehow not become corrupted along the way?

          How's about the millions of you twirling around in a circle and throwing tiny rocks at a great big huge rock that you say is satan?

          IT'S A FUCKING ROCK YOU IDIOT!! HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE US??

          Get back to your mudhut.

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          • #35
            Re: New Member of Muslim Faith

            Originally posted by Fading Light View Post
            If god is so powerful and needs worshipping why allow many to believe in so many different faiths? Why not just follow one?
            I'm sure this logic inspires you just before you go out to bomb some Sunnis or Shi'ites (whichever one you aren't.)

            Look son, the world would be a far simpler place if everyone simply adopted the faith of Landover. We are correct and worship the One True God in the way that He ordained.

            Do you not see that 600 years after Christ died for your sins (and then came alive again) there was no point in inventing another religion? It has only caused your trouble with the Jews.

            If, as you claim, the only real difference is that we accept Christ as God (and God's Son at the same time), why can't you.

            It would allow you to have a succulent pork chop whilst drinking a cold beer - that alone is worth the sacrifice.
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            • #36
              Re: New Member of Muslim Faith

              If He had wanted the stain of Islam to spread across godly Europe, why then did he smite Saladin's Navy at the Battle of Lepanto? Why did the "glorious" Ottoman Empire fall apart like a cardboard shack when those who hold and have been dictated His only True Testament were looking for some desert real estate?
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              • #37
                Re: New Member of Muslim Faith

                Originally posted by Fading Light View Post
                Jesus is not a liar, and no Muslims believes so.

                According to our faith, Jesus (peace be upon him) came with the message of one god (no son) but people took the god given powers of miracles and labelled him as such. Again, this is what Islam teaches.
                Ah, so then you're saying that every word ascribed to Jesus in the Bible is in question.

                Since the Bible is the only written source of information about Jesus, how can you know if anything He said was true, or even if He existed at all?
                Originally posted by Fading Light View Post
                If god is so powerful and needs worshipping why allow many to believe in so many different faiths? Why not just follow one?
                An excellent question.

                Let me follow it up with another question: Why wait until the 620s AD, over 5,400 years after creating humanity, to tell them the "right" path?

                Or do you think He told them the "right" path repeatedly, but they corrupted it? In this case, He must have known (being all-knowing) that it would be corrupted; He must also have known that it WAS corrupted, yet waited thousands of years to "get it right" again.

                He would know, of course, that there would be millions of people living in that "corrupted" period who would wholeheartedly do exactly what was told them to be the Word of God, but who would be damned to unending torment by Him for obeying the wrong commands anyway.

                Is that what you think? Do you think God the sort of monster who would allow people to follow the wrong instructions and then damn them for it?
                Bible boring? Nonsense!
                Try Bible in a Year with Brother V, or join Shirlee and the kids as they discuss Real Bible Stories!
                You can't be a Christian if you don't know God's Word!

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                • #38
                  Re: New Member of Muslim Faith

                  There will always be the need for unsaved trash. That's what all the other religions are for.

                  Genesis 25:23 - And the LORD said unto her, Two nations [are] in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and [the one] people shall be stronger than [the other] people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

                  Obviously all other religions are Eve's afterbirth...
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                  • #39
                    Re: New Member of Muslim Faith

                    Originally posted by Rev. M. Rodimer View Post
                    Is that what you think? Do you think God the sort of monster who would allow people to follow the wrong instructions and then damn them for it?
                    A sobering questions, Reverend. If I were to consider that my LORD would have created people who are self-aware, cognizant of their environment, with eternal souls, and then denied them the Truth and punished them for all eternity in hopes that thousands of years later I would hear this story and be Saved, why, I would think He was no Lord at all but a demon. Either that, or perhaps an outdated Bronze-aged mythological character whose relevance has been lost long ago yet remains culturally important simply because it appeals to my ego and fear of death.
                    Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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                    • #40
                      Re: New Member of Muslim Faith

                      Originally posted by Mary Etheldreda View Post
                      A sobering questions, Reverend. If I were to consider that my LORD would have created people who are self-aware, cognizant of their environment, with eternal souls, and then denied them the Truth and punished them for all eternity in hopes that thousands of years later I would hear this story and be Saved, why, I would think He was no Lord at all but a demon. Either that, or perhaps an outdated Bronze-aged mythological character whose relevance has been lost long ago yet remains culturally important simply because it appeals to my ego and fear of death.
                      I am so happy Mrs Etheldreda, to have found The Truth and not to have been brought up surrounded by a demonic belief system that commands me to lie. Why should we ever believe anything they say?

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                      . . . al-Taqiyya . . . . . . additional information http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter6b/1.html

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                      • #41
                        Re: New Member of Muslim Faith

                        Not a lot of action from the thread starter. Perhaps the light has finally faded?
                        Stop whining
                        (1 Thessalonians 5:18) - In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
                        (1 Corinthians 10:10) - Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer
                        (Psalm 106:25) - But murmured in their tents, And hearkened not unto the voice of the LORD
                        (Ephesians 4:29) - Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers

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                        • #42
                          Re: New Member of Muslim Faith

                          Originally posted by Mary Etheldreda View Post
                          A sobering questions, Reverend. If I were to consider that my LORD would have created people who are self-aware, cognizant of their environment, with eternal souls, and then denied them the Truth and punished them for all eternity in hopes that thousands of years later I would hear this story and be Saved, why, I would think He was no Lord at all but a demon. Either that, or perhaps an outdated Bronze-aged mythological character whose relevance has been lost long ago yet remains culturally important simply because it appeals to my ego and fear of death.
                          Well said, Sister!

                          Which do you think Allah is? A demon, or a myth?
                          Bible boring? Nonsense!
                          Try Bible in a Year with Brother V, or join Shirlee and the kids as they discuss Real Bible Stories!
                          You can't be a Christian if you don't know God's Word!

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                          • #43
                            Re: New Member of Muslim Faith

                            Originally posted by Rev. M. Rodimer View Post
                            Well said, Sister!

                            Which do you think Allah is? A demon, or a myth?
                            Well I suppose it doesn't really matter in the end. Anyone who worships him/it will find themselves surprised when Satan greets them the moment after they draw their last breath.

                            Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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                            • #44
                              Re: New Member of Muslim Faith

                              Originally posted by Mary Etheldreda View Post
                              Well I suppose it doesn't really matter in the end. Anyone who worships him/it will find themselves surprised when Satan greets them the moment after they draw their last breath.

                              And I'm sure they'll recognise him.

                              Their "god" promised them peace, at least according to their own source material but in reality all they seem to get is internecine mayhem. Perhaps they imagined that they needed to exterminate all the non-muslims from the Arabian peninsula first? Well they did that over a millennium ago..

                              Why would anyone follow a bogus "god" whose kingdom is founded on murder? It's beyond me.

                              Jesus promises life.
                              John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
                              KJV

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                              • #45
                                Re: New Member of Muslim Faith

                                Islam is of the devil.

                                But whosoever shall deny me before men,
                                him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
                                ~Matt. 10:33
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                                Theme song in hell: "I Did it My Way"

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