[GoldHelper]

Re: I'm an atheist, but very open minded, and want to find God.

You don't know my heart when I said this. I was being innocent and playful, there's nothing ungraceful or spiteful or lame about it. Hebrews 3:13 "But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness." A complement is good in everyone's eyes, and that's what it was. Lighten up, seriously... oxymoron I know.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: I'm an atheist, but very open minded, and want to find God.

Son, you're not making any sense.

Why don't you introduce yourself so we can get to know you? What are you hiding? Are you ashamed of yourself?

[GoldHelper]

Re: I'm an atheist, but very open minded, and want to find God.

The first reply was before I read your reasoning for the points against me, the second was the response to your post, because I couldn't respond directly to you, I had to post it here.

[GoldHelper]

Re: I'm an atheist, but very open minded, and want to find God.

There is something I'm ashamed about, and I'm having trouble not being double minded over it, sometimes thinking at least in a way it's okay, because I don't know why it's wrong other than what the results are and the fact that there's a law against it in the Old Testament.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: I'm an atheist, but very open minded, and want to find God.

There is something I'm ashamed about, and I'm having trouble not being double minded over it, sometimes thinking at least in a way it's okay, because I don't know why it's wrong other than what the results are and the fact that there's a law against it in the Old Testament.

Post the Old Testament law.

[John Creeser]

Re: I'm an atheist, but very open minded, and want to find God.

There is something I'm ashamed about, and I'm having trouble not being double minded over it, sometimes thinking at least in a way it's okay, because I don't know why it's wrong other than what the results are and the fact that there's a law against it in the Old Testament.

Perhaps these are the verses you are referring to?

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

[GoldHelper]

Re: I'm an atheist, but very open minded, and want to find God.

For clarity for the mods on this site I'm saying this is in response to the second infraction I recieved. From the lips of Jesus using KJV Matthew 5:22 "But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, You fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." Raca defined according to Strong's Greek: empty, foolish, which is what I was called in the infraction.

[GoldHelper]

Re: I'm an atheist, but very open minded, and want to find God.

No, I'm not gay.

[GoldHelper]

Re: I'm an atheist, but very open minded, and want to find God.

It's hard to feel comfortable telling you, because I feel like you guys would pounce on me instead of help. Like none of you would even try to counsel me, just riticule me.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: I'm an atheist, but very open minded, and want to find God.

It's hard to feel comfortable telling you, because I feel like you guys would pounce on me instead of help. Like none of you would even try to counsel me, just riticule me.

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: I'm an atheist, but very open minded, and want to find God.

It's hard to feel comfortable telling you, because I feel like you guys would pounce on me instead of help. Like none of you would even try to counsel me, just riticule me.

Our tough love on Jesus' behalf is often mistaken for ridicule by the unsaved. What you need to realise is we are merely a mouthpiece for His word and anything we tell you is correct according to the Holy Bible. If you don't like this then you really need to take it up with God.

[GoldHelper]

Re: I'm an atheist, but very open minded, and want to find God.

The post you want me to read doesn't describe me. I don't know what a fringe or extremeist is, and I think you've "flamed" me. I certainly didn't deserve your accusations. I'm a grown man. I'm not yakking. I'm talking in a mature manor. I didn't ask whether you were serious about what you said, I did however present Scripture arguments defending what I believe. All you've managed to do is give me bad points for being bad. Satan is the accuser of the bretheren, and you've accused me of a lot of things so far, that simply aren't true. Jesus preached grace. Grace. While I was very open to this site before, now I see that the people of this church want to give me holiness by way of shaming and belittling until I suppose that would make any man lowly in spirit through manipulation, but what if the beradement stops? Then the man is left without a relationship with God. That's not humbleness. Humbleness comes from within, not from without with people giving shame. Humbleness comes from choices that a man makes to have faith in and love God.

[GoldHelper]

Re: I'm an atheist, but very open minded, and want to find God.

You talk as if you're the only ones who read and study the Bible. I do every day. I'm a preacher, christian counselor, and street evangelist. I am a mouthpiece for the word just like you. But I don't think you understand the doctrine of Grace.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: I'm an atheist, but very open minded, and want to find God.

The post you want me to read doesn't describe me. I don't know what a fringe or extremeist is, and I think you've "flamed" me. I certainly didn't deserve your accusations. I'm a grown man. I'm not yakking. I'm talking in a mature manor. I didn't ask whether you were serious about what you said, I did however present Scripture arguments defending what I believe. All you've managed to do is give me bad points for being bad. Satan is the accuser of the bretheren, and you've accused me of a lot of things so far, that simply aren't true. Jesus preached grace. Grace. While I was very open to this site before, now I see that the people of this church want to give me holiness by way of shaming and belittling until I suppose that would make any man lowly in spirit through manipulation, but what if the beradement stops? Then the man is left without a relationship with God. That's not humbleness. Humbleness comes from within, not from without with people giving shame. Humbleness comes from choices that a man makes to have faith in and love God.

I realise that whining and playing the victim is second nature to an atheist but you really don't need to go so out of your way to persecute us.

Why does the thought of God hating you trouble you so much? Is it because deep down you know you are a pathetic, unsaved wretch, born in sin and unsaved?

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: I'm an atheist, but very open minded, and want to find God.

If you wanna meet girls to "date" go to the park. Or a bar. Just about anywhere really. Except Church. I know there are "churches" where fathers don't care much what happens to their daughters. God explains IN THE BIBLE which one's should be killed and usually HOW they should be killed. At this stage in history we anticipate that glorious day when Jesus returns and kills them all wholesale. Since you study The Bible I won't need to provide the reference. The number of people He'll be killing is in the 5 - 10 billion range so you can be certain of many daughters, sons, wives, babies, kindly hindoo grandparents and the like receiving their just desserts.

Okay. I'm rational. I'm open. What makes saying that a bad thing to anyone? Why might someone be offended at this?

You also mentioned something about being "playful" and yes, there are forums where that is the norm. Not so here. If you didn't know, well, you do now. If you are looking for a wife, contact one of the male members at your place of worship.

Christianity is not about being rational. The purpose of this forum is to Praise the Lord.

Hallelujah!

There is something I'm ashamed about, and I'm having trouble not being double minded over it, sometimes thinking at least in a way it's okay, because I don't know why it's wrong other than what the results are and the fact that there's a law against it in the Old Testament.

Although I suspect your "problem" will be more appropriately dealt with in the men's forum nevertheless if you feel unable to tell us what it is there's not much we can do to help you. I'm sure you appreciate this.

You mentioned I John 3:9.

Here it is:

I JOHN 3
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
KJV

I am happy to provide Scripture with appropriate context but in this case not much context is necessary. The words mean what they say. Certain theological books suggest otherwise but The Bible is always clear. Verse 9 makes it certain that Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin. It doesn't specify a list of sinful behaviours. Behaviours either done or not done. If you have been born of God you do not commit sin. God also explains why. What's so difficult about that?

If you're puzzled by the pronouns I'm sure our Pastoral Team will explain Greek cases to you.

I JOHN
II JOHN
III JOHN

III John 1:11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God. KJV

Welcome to the forum Mr Helper, I trust you will be richly blessed.

PS - have you posted your introduction yet?